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Newcastle 1 Liverpool 1 (Post match)

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Matip had a good game, I don't think you can really fault him for the goal, it was an unlucky ricochet, Lovren was poor in not cutting it out in the first instance. Moreno was decent but didn't give us enough going forward, while Salah was once again our most likely attacker. Despite the goal, Coutinho was all hustle and bustle but not much else.

The midfield is too flat and one dimensional with Wijnaldum AND Henderson. Milner (or a returning Lallana) would be a much better and busier option. Both create goals and bag a few too, it's what we need. Wijnaldum has gotten away with these nothing performances for too long now.

Gomez, 20 years old or not, looks well short on confidence and ability going forward. He makes mistakes at centre half and right back. He's generally a liability in both positions and has at least one near catastrophic error in him each game. Not good enough, at least at the minute.

Klopp's defensive organisation leaves alot to be desired, regardless of whether you think certain personnel are upto the task. No centre back pairing at this level should be getting caught flat footed by a simple 25-30 yard through ball.

I hate to say it but we're due another tonking by a big side on this form, because we are fucking woeful and it's on Klopp.
 
goal conceded from their only meaningful attack...again.

Sturridge and Salah both missing sitters, not acceptable.

Nice goal from Phil mind
 
Sturridge just confirmed he is gone at this level. Wijnaldum. Again, what is the point of him, I never get playing him away. Mane's worse game for us I can remember. His first touch looked poor. The 2 centre halves have to take a long hard look at themselves. You could have driven the Titanic through that gap, and neither of them were side on, allowing the attacker to get clear too easily.
 
Kinda feel sorry for Phil, needing to hang around with this shower of shit.
 
Spent the last few days in gorgeous Prague with beautiful weather ..... so yet another match I'm glad to have missed (could only find Ice Hockey on the hotel box) ! Not that the match threads here are always accurate reflections of the match itself. Back in Shanghai for the next so we'll beat United, possibly, maybe.
 
Matip was at clear fault for the goal. He steps up and it's offside.

I've given up on Sturridge. That was awful.

Wijnaldum should not be at this football club



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Matip was at clear fault for the goal. He steps up and it's offside.

I've given up on Sturridge. That was awful.

Wijnaldum should not be at this football club



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Lovren would have kept him on still?

The other 2 i'm leaning towards agreeing you with.
 
Really poor. January can't come quick enough
It's not really going to matter is it ...
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From another forums.

Last 7 games
125 shots
7 goals

Last 7 games against
35 shots
14 goals
 
Kinda feel sorry for Phil, needing to hang around with this shower of shit.
Nah mate, he was mostly shite today

A worldy aside, his contribution today shows why he's not good enough for barca
 
In terms of personnel? Formation? Motivation?

Organisation, clinical attacking play and yeah, motivation. When was the last time we didn't concede? Also compare our goals for and against, compared to the top two teams, were miles off and United seem to have remedied their woes in one transfer window.
 
Literally anybody with eyes could see that we would be a shambles of a side if we were not going to buy a CB.
We also badly needed a left-back, and a keeper.

This was all so simple and obvious to address, but hey, at least we got a 35m substitute.
 
Literally anybody with eyes could see that we would be a shambles of a side if we were not going to buy a CB.
We also badly needed a left-back, and a keeper.

This was all so simple and obvious to address, but hey, at least we got a 35m substitute.

Klopp has to take responsibility, this is not on.

Training sessions arn't going to cut it, we need a translator consultant to feed into these fickle players that things need to change.
 
I thought Moreno was excellent today in both defence and attack. He put in a couple of wicked crosses there was no one on the end of.

Matip the reptilian was shite as was Gomez. Lovren was alright.

All of the midfield we're horrible.
Coutinho at least had the decency to score a great goal.

Mane had his worst game for us by miles.
Sturridge is done.

Salah the only bright spot really.

Another shit team sits deep gets what they came for.

So far that's Watford, Burnley and Newcastle (not to mention the two European cup games) and of Course Leicester in the cup.
10 games in and 6 MASSIVELY inferior teams have got something from us.

Summer was a shambles. An utter joke.
And we now reap the rewards.

7 points off the top after 7 games. So we should finish within 40 points of the winners at least.

Oh and I miss Lallana so much.
He's better than any other midfielder we have.
 


[article]‘Liverpool’s transfer window didn’t go well,’ Carragher said on Sky Sports. ‘If you think of Liverpool in this first seven games, you can trace it back to what United were doing wrong last season – lots of chances but couldn’t score.

‘End of the season they went and bought [Romelu] Lukaku and it looks like that problem is fixed. ‘I still look at Liverpool and think they didn’t fix the problems in the summer that needed fixing and that is the big problem. ‘I just feel like every time I do a Liverpool game, I am going to be saying the same things.

‘Klopp’s getting the questions, I’m going to be giving the same answers.’ Romelu Lukaku has scored seven goals in seven Premier League games for United with the Red Devils second in the table.[/article]


[article]Liverpool 2017/18 Fixtures
Manchester United (H) – Sat 14 Oct
NK Maribor – Champions League (A) – Tue 17 Oct
Tottenham (A) – Sun 22 Oct
Huddersfield (H) – Sat 28 Oct[/article]
 
Has this been posted? If so, my apologies, but it's quite revealing:



Jonathan Northcroft


I think it is his most fundamental idea,” says Alberto Moreno, so it’s where we should start with Liverpool. There are other questions you could ask about the Premier League’s most contradictory team. Like, how, in their last six games, could they manage 126 shots yet score just seven times? Or, how could they ship 19 goals in 11 matches across this campaign when, in all but one, they held control?

But let’s stick to Jurgen Klopp’s “fundamental” . Pressing. Few are looking at it in the discussion of Liverpool’s curious start to the season — but they should.

Moreno reiterates there is no change in the key instruction given to players: “The manager has always remained pretty faithful to the way he wants to play the game... as soon as we lose possession, do everything we can to surround the ball and get it back as quickly as possible.” Pressing. “The best playmaker there is,” Klopp once said.

So, consider this. Analysis using data provided by InStat, the global service for sports professionals like scouts and coaches, suggests a remarkable drop-off in Liverpool’s pressing game since the start of 2017-18. If results are mediocre then so is the performance of Klopp’s side’s core activity.

The InStat data was analysed by CIES Football Observatory to produce a table showing the average seconds in possession allowed to the opposition by every Premier League team. How long a side lets you have the ball before winning it back. In 2016-17, Liverpool were virtually top of this table — neck-and-neck with Tottenham and Manchester City as the team allowing foes the least time on the ball. In 2017-18, Klopp’s men have fallen back dramatically. They’re joint ninth in the rankings alongside West Ham and lowest placed of all the “big six” clubs.

While City and Spurs have honed their pressing games further, Liverpool have suddenly relaxed their efforts. You now get an extra 3.6 seconds per possession against Liverpool compared to Manchester City. A lot can happen in 3.6 seconds on a football pitch.

You have to be careful with stats, of course. In a sport as multi-faceted as football, taking one measure from one source and drawing definitive conclusions is dangerous. So The Sunday Times went seeking further information.

Opta, the Premier League’s official data partner, provided some. Liverpool are down, down in terms of running numbers, covering less distance overall and making fewer sprints than in 2016-17, when they were the competition’s hardest-working team.

Anfield Index is a respected platform that, for several seasons, has analysed Liverpool’s pressing in obsessive detail. AI reported that in the first four games of 2017-18, Liverpool’s overall volume of “pressing actions” was down 15%, and instances of “group pressing” down 50%.

We then sought anecdotal evidence and here is a verdict from inside the camp of a side who have faced Liverpool this season. “It was easy-oasy. We had a nice afternoon.” The team in question came braced for the kind of full-throttle test they’d endured in their previous meeting, at Anfield, but found the game rather “flat” and felt Liverpool had nothing like the “legs” they did before.

Could there be deliberate reasons for Liverpool’s shift? Are Liverpool trying to join the counterattackers? Perhaps there’s something in this, for AI have found a big improvement in a good metric: Liverpool pressing actions leading to shots. Maybe Klopp is also trying to conserve players, mindful of their mid-season tiredness in 2016-17, and that there are now Champions League games to play. But you go back to Moreno: “We’re trying to remain faithful to the ethos [Klopp] has had from the beginning.”

It seems likeliest that Liverpool are just having a “dip”. A period where confidence is lacking, and they’re carrying out none of their fundamentals with enough conviction. Pressing is also very much a collective effort, and selection has been disrupted by several factors: new signings, Sadio Mane’s suspension, the Philippe Coutinho saga, injuries, rotation.

Finally, there is the significant absence of Adam Lallana. Identified by Klopp as his “leader” of the high-press, Lallana has long had one of the best individual stats in the league for quick ball recoveries. Klopp will have been as cheered as supporters by Lallana’s Instagram post on Thursday, showing himself back at Melwood. Out since pre-season with a thigh injury, Lallana raised hopes he could even return for Liverpool’s first game after the international break, against Manchester United.

It will be Klopp’s 700th game in management and next Sunday marks his second anniversary at Liverpool. Today he meets a predecessor, Rafa Benitez, which seems another reason to take stock. Benitez won the European Cup and produced Liverpool’s strongest starting XI (in 2008-09) in almost 30 years, but it wasn’t enough to hold on to — forget England — football’s truly impossible job.

“The reality is, the teams that have won the title, probably 90% of the time are the teams with the most money,” Benitez says. And yet managing Liverpool is about winning the title. “You have to build a team that is good enough to compensate for the difference,” Benitez concludes.

And do your basics brilliantly. So much — defending, scoring — will come easier again if Liverpool reboot their pressing.




Thank god Lallana will be back-ish when the league resumes, but the rest need a rocket up the arse.
 
The 2nd half was the worst thing for me - didn't really have a proper go. Just sorta accepted that we weren't gonna score. It's just a surprise they didn't nick another from a set piece or something. Getting a bit sick to death of this narrative that "oh some team is gonna get battered by us soon" - this shit has been going on for a good 10-12 games in all comps - it's naive to think it's just all going to click very soon. Obvs hope I'm wrong but not holding out much hope at the min.
 
‘Liverpool’s transfer window didn’t go well,’ Carragher said on Sky Sports. ‘If you think of Liverpool in this first seven games, you can trace it back to what United were doing wrong last season – lots of chances but couldn’t score.

That's blatant revisionism by Carragher, who's becoming almost a big a pain as the suddenly super pro Didi Hamman. No one was saying last season that the mancs just had a problem finishing. They weren't creative, they weren't creating 'lots of chances' and they weren't entertaining. The were being booed off the damn pitch! Really, take the guy off duty for our games, he's ridiculous.
 
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