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Newcastle 1 Liverpool 1 (Post match)

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Ouch! That's so woeful.

Didn't see the match but it's the biggest problem of our midfield. There's no bite there. Henderson, Can and Wijnaldum don't like tackling and none of them are particularly good at it when they decide it's something they have to do.
 
As insightful as it is, we don't need stats to see how shit/poor/great/influential a player is.

And Wijnaldum is just about shit in every game he plays.
 
As insightful as it is, we don't need stats to see how shit/poor/great/influential a player is.

No. And as insightful as stats might be, I don't need them to see what an utter fake, feckless, dull, unimaginative, uninteresting, pointless wind-up merchant you are.
 
No. And as insightful as stats might be, I don't need them to see what an utter fake, feckless, dull, unimaginative, uninteresting, pointless wind-up merchant you are.

What's feckless?

& just because you use 5 or 6 words which mean the same thing, doesn't make the post anymore meaningful...you could have just used 'dull' or 'uninteresting'

You sad, unhappy, tearful, dejected, miserable, gloomy person.
 
Some of the goal mouth chances we had .... oh my God ... fate is against us. Mane was really bad today.
 
Literally anybody with eyes could see that we would be a shambles of a side if we were not going to buy a CB.
We also badly needed a left-back, and a keeper.

This was all so simple and obvious to address, but hey, at least we got a 35m substitute.

Yep. We score. Most Games. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that if you add a half decent defence to that, you win more. It's not like it's a surprise to Klopp. Were we that crap at scoring goals last season? Don't think so.
Last season the defence was not wonderful. So improve the personnel, or coach them better. The latter clearly isn't working
 
Well, at least the midfield has been addressed to some degree with Keita. Little late, but yeh.
Defence is a joke. Has been since Klopp arrived. This isn't knee jerk crap, but he has been here long enough now and I have seen literally no improvement in the defence. Sort it. I'm sick of waiting for us to concede every damn game.
 
Did Henderson play today? I know he was in the starting eleven and I've seen that other useless cunt Gini's stats, but are Henderson's any better?

I just went to the match reports of all the usual suspect papers and did a find and replace for his name. Nothing. Last one I was on was the Guardian, and they've got a minute by minute update thing so I did it on that too. Same result.
 
Did Henderson play today? I know he was in the starting eleven and I've seen that other useless cunt Gini's stats, but are Henderson's any better?

I just went to the match reports of all the usual suspect papers and did a find and replace for his name. Nothing. Last one I was on was the Guardian, and they've got a minute by minute update thing so I did it on that too. Same result.

You're trying way too hard.
 
Did Henderson play today? I know he was in the starting eleven and I've seen that other useless cunt Gini's stats, but are Henderson's any better?

I just went to the match reports of all the usual suspect papers and did a find and replace for his name. Nothing. Last one I was on was the Guardian, and they've got a minute by minute update thing so I did it on that too. Same result.
I thought hendo was our best player today
 
Has this been posted? If so, my apologies, but it's quite revealing:



Jonathan Northcroft


I think it is his most fundamental idea,” says Alberto Moreno, so it’s where we should start with Liverpool. There are other questions you could ask about the Premier League’s most contradictory team. Like, how, in their last six games, could they manage 126 shots yet score just seven times? Or, how could they ship 19 goals in 11 matches across this campaign when, in all but one, they held control?

But let’s stick to Jurgen Klopp’s “fundamental” . Pressing. Few are looking at it in the discussion of Liverpool’s curious start to the season — but they should.

Moreno reiterates there is no change in the key instruction given to players: “The manager has always remained pretty faithful to the way he wants to play the game... as soon as we lose possession, do everything we can to surround the ball and get it back as quickly as possible.” Pressing. “The best playmaker there is,” Klopp once said.

So, consider this. Analysis using data provided by InStat, the global service for sports professionals like scouts and coaches, suggests a remarkable drop-off in Liverpool’s pressing game since the start of 2017-18. If results are mediocre then so is the performance of Klopp’s side’s core activity.

The InStat data was analysed by CIES Football Observatory to produce a table showing the average seconds in possession allowed to the opposition by every Premier League team. How long a side lets you have the ball before winning it back. In 2016-17, Liverpool were virtually top of this table — neck-and-neck with Tottenham and Manchester City as the team allowing foes the least time on the ball. In 2017-18, Klopp’s men have fallen back dramatically. They’re joint ninth in the rankings alongside West Ham and lowest placed of all the “big six” clubs.

While City and Spurs have honed their pressing games further, Liverpool have suddenly relaxed their efforts. You now get an extra 3.6 seconds per possession against Liverpool compared to Manchester City. A lot can happen in 3.6 seconds on a football pitch.

You have to be careful with stats, of course. In a sport as multi-faceted as football, taking one measure from one source and drawing definitive conclusions is dangerous. So The Sunday Times went seeking further information.

Opta, the Premier League’s official data partner, provided some. Liverpool are down, down in terms of running numbers, covering less distance overall and making fewer sprints than in 2016-17, when they were the competition’s hardest-working team.

Anfield Index is a respected platform that, for several seasons, has analysed Liverpool’s pressing in obsessive detail. AI reported that in the first four games of 2017-18, Liverpool’s overall volume of “pressing actions” was down 15%, and instances of “group pressing” down 50%.

We then sought anecdotal evidence and here is a verdict from inside the camp of a side who have faced Liverpool this season. “It was easy-oasy. We had a nice afternoon.” The team in question came braced for the kind of full-throttle test they’d endured in their previous meeting, at Anfield, but found the game rather “flat” and felt Liverpool had nothing like the “legs” they did before.

Could there be deliberate reasons for Liverpool’s shift? Are Liverpool trying to join the counterattackers? Perhaps there’s something in this, for AI have found a big improvement in a good metric: Liverpool pressing actions leading to shots. Maybe Klopp is also trying to conserve players, mindful of their mid-season tiredness in 2016-17, and that there are now Champions League games to play. But you go back to Moreno: “We’re trying to remain faithful to the ethos [Klopp] has had from the beginning.”

It seems likeliest that Liverpool are just having a “dip”. A period where confidence is lacking, and they’re carrying out none of their fundamentals with enough conviction. Pressing is also very much a collective effort, and selection has been disrupted by several factors: new signings, Sadio Mane’s suspension, the Philippe Coutinho saga, injuries, rotation.

Finally, there is the significant absence of Adam Lallana. Identified by Klopp as his “leader” of the high-press, Lallana has long had one of the best individual stats in the league for quick ball recoveries. Klopp will have been as cheered as supporters by Lallana’s Instagram post on Thursday, showing himself back at Melwood. Out since pre-season with a thigh injury, Lallana raised hopes he could even return for Liverpool’s first game after the international break, against Manchester United.

It will be Klopp’s 700th game in management and next Sunday marks his second anniversary at Liverpool. Today he meets a predecessor, Rafa Benitez, which seems another reason to take stock. Benitez won the European Cup and produced Liverpool’s strongest starting XI (in 2008-09) in almost 30 years, but it wasn’t enough to hold on to — forget England — football’s truly impossible job.

“The reality is, the teams that have won the title, probably 90% of the time are the teams with the most money,” Benitez says. And yet managing Liverpool is about winning the title. “You have to build a team that is good enough to compensate for the difference,” Benitez concludes.

And do your basics brilliantly. So much — defending, scoring — will come easier again if Liverpool reboot their pressing.




Thank god Lallana will be back-ish when the league resumes, but the rest need a rocket up the arse.

I noticed this too – we don't seem to be as hard-pressing this season, even in the games we've played well and won. I wonder if this is deliberate – last season it seemed the players worked so hard than when it came to converting simple chances, they couldn't think clearly or their touch would desert them in the decisive moment. This season early on there were promising signs that the attack has become more efficient, but for some reason since the City game goals have dried up, even though enough good chances are still being created. Look at United – they don't press particularly hard, but in decisive moments all their attacking players have a very cool head, and so they are very efficient. Maybe Klopp tried to go a bit toward this direction, but at the moment we're having the worst of both worlds.
 
Matip had a good game, I don't think you can really fault him for the goal, it was an unlucky ricochet, Lovren was poor in not cutting it out in the first instance. Moreno was decent but didn't give us enough going forward, while Salah was once again our most likely attacker. Despite the goal, Coutinho was all hustle and bustle but not much else.

The midfield is too flat and one dimensional with Wijnaldum AND Henderson. Milner (or a returning Lallana) would be a much better and busier option. Both create goals and bag a few too, it's what we need. Wijnaldum has gotten away with these nothing performances for too long now.

Gomez, 20 years old or not, looks well short on confidence and ability going forward. He makes mistakes at centre half and right back. He's generally a liability in both positions and has at least one near catastrophic error in him each game. Not good enough, at least at the minute.

Klopp's defensive organisation leaves alot to be desired, regardless of whether you think certain personnel are upto the task. No centre back pairing at this level should be getting caught flat footed by a simple 25-30 yard through ball.

I hate to say it but we're due another tonking by a big side on this form, because we are fucking woeful and it's on Klopp.


Calm down... due another tonking?? Really??

We were not at the races yesterday but missed 3 great chances and hit the post, they played 10 defenders had 1 attack and got very very lucky both in timing and in finishing, in general our defence played well, perhaps the lads were a little bit to high and spread but... Mig could possibly have made a better dive as well...

It is disappointing but it's a point away from home and at the same time we haven't had anything but bad luck so far this season have we, robbed by a poor line call in the 94th minute in game 1, denied a blatant peno against Burnley, lose a key player for 3 games due to an accident while chasing what may well have been a goal...

Due a tonking?? That is harsh isn't it...

I'm hoping our luck changes and we batter them Manc cunts.
 
Yesterday's post match report

Same shit different day..We are predictable in every way shape and form, both ends of the pitch
 
The second half had all the makings of being a prime example of where a captain can make a difference. Imagine those players jogging around the pitch, not showing for the ball etc. with Gerrard in the middle. He would have bollocked them. Hendo had some good intensity about his game at times (and noticeably so compared to Gini the ghost) but I feel he could have done a lot more to get some of the others focused on getting the ball in the net.

Do our team now just know that they will create a lot of chances and therefore just go with the flow? And hope that one or two might be converted? I almost prefer the days when we'd be playing well to get 1 or 2 clear cut chances and whoever was on the end of it would go hell for leather to bury it. That intensity is no where near our team at the moment.
 
Lessons Klopp I'm sure has learned ... I'm sure ...

1) Gini & Hendo don't work well together - little creativity, little ability to carry the ball forward and far too often take a safe pass.
2) Studge is finished. Most of us unfortunately understood this last year - I hope we get 15 mill for him.
3) Salah is going to score 15-20 goals but if he was more of a composed finisher, he'd have ~30. Can you teach that?
4) We need a DM
 
Matip had a good game, I don't think you can really fault him for the goal, it was an unlucky ricochet, .

Are you serious? He made two basic mistakes which a 14-year old wouldn´t have done.
1) If you have one attacker to mark. Mark him so the other cb can cover behind.
2) If you don´t mark your attacker: You don´t run backwards when you have an attacker coming in full sprint.

It´s the fucking basics in defending!
 
Lessons Klopp I'm sure has learned ... I'm sure ...

1) Gini & Hendo don't work well together - little creativity, little ability to carry the ball forward and far too often take a safe pass.
2) Studge is finished. Most of us unfortunately understood this last year - I hope we get 15 mill for him.
3) Salah is going to score 15-20 goals but if he was more of a composed finisher, he'd have ~30. Can you teach that?
4) We need a DM
4) We need 2 DM's. Our midfield needs an overhaul.
 
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