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Twitter's blowing up that we're about to sign Soldado.
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I agree with this mate - but IF we don't have that 'attractive' 20+ million player (like Suarez, or a bargain like Coutinho) - I'd rather not waste it. We need to be smart in the next few years - the base is definitely there to pull what Valencia did in the 90s - we just need to add to it intelligently.
RVP and Xabi present very little risk in terms of performance, though. They are both very much proven in this league. They're not really comparable.
That's mostly a hypothetical statement.
Can you think of any 28+ players who (a) you'd be willing to spend 20+ million on; and (b) would be willing to join us?
I can't think of many. The only 28+ players truly worth signing (without worrying whether their value is going to depreciate) are world class players like RVP, Yaya Toure, Zlatan, Ronaldo, Thiago, Rooney, Cazorla etc. who'd never join a 7th placed team. The only teams who're ever in the market for that kind of player are top 4 or title-contending teams.
Of the rest to consider, you can categorise them into two brackets:
(a) average-to-good players who're coming of the back of a few excellent seasons, and are thus overvalued (Downing, Soldado, Bent, Agger, Skrtel, Ba, Gomez, Keane etc.)
(b) formerly world-class players who're now past their prime, but still capable of producing at a good level (Reina, Alonso, Cassano, Tevez, Villa, Gerrard, Lampard etc.)
I wouldn't consider paying 20+ million for a player from either bracket. In fact, I'd avoid the first one completely. I could consider players from the second bracket but only at the right price (6-8 million).
This is without going into whether Soldado's playing style would suit us and the PL, of course.
I'm fine with us signing stop-gaps and steady eddies if they're useful and are not signed up on mad contracts, which mean we're lumbered with them for 4 years. No one wants us to waste money.
As I said before we signed Downing though, there are always good exciting players out there waiting to be signed - you just have to be looking in the right direction. So I don't think I'd accept a Rickie Lambert on his own on account of there being no-one else to sign.
I hadn't really paid any thought to the price tag when I wrote that. I was referring solely to a players age.
In our present situation it doesn't make as much sense to pay exorbitant amounts for a player for a couple seasons left in his prime, although I suppose that can extend to 24 year olds as well as 28 year olds (granted it's not as likely but it's still a point worth making).
With the benefit of hindsight, I'd have had no problems spending 25M on a 28 year old Pirlo.
Thought Baldini travelled home from Spain without any success. He'll probably score a shitload for Spurs if he goes there, mainly because so many of us on here arent sure about signing him. Life is that cruel.
We are apperantly. Its even more of a risk that one, he's got 2 good goalscoring season so far.
Only difference?? That's a major fucking difference for a club in our position. After 3 years we'll lose £20m on this dude. After 3 years we made about £30m on Torres and Suarez. That's £50m difference between a good 23 yr old signing and a good 28 yr old signing, and the younger players contributed just as well in the short term as well. £50m over 3 years is £17m a year.
Of course, that's an extreme situation - we're probably not gonna find another Suarez, or another Torres, this time. But still, I've seen enough of these fuck ups now to be unapologetic: we should not be paying this sort of money for a 28 year old.
That's nothing really. Per year it's less than one Maggie Thatcher funeral.
We lost 20m on Carroll in no time. We lost 20m on Downing already.
And guess what... we still have 20m to lose on Soldado. Coz despite The Revolution Of Lowered Expectations, we're still a massive club.
If he scores 1 in 2 and has a few years in him, he's worth 20m.
If he was 24 he'd be 40m and he wouldn't dream of coming to a non CL club.
Buy the bastard.
And guess what... we still have 20m to lose on Soldado. Coz despite The Revolution Of Lowered Expectations, we're still a massive club.
If he scores 1 in 2 and has a few years in him, he's worth 20m.
If he was 24 he'd be 40m and he wouldn't dream of coming to a non CL club.
Buy the bastard.
I don't give a fuck how old they are, how much we lose on them or if they have a daffodil sticking out their arse crack, as long as we actually compete and are up where our club should be.
Oh, and by the way... If you're worried about three year cycles... if you're actually worried about him not being worth anything in three years
3 years ago we were owned by them Texan pricks. Three years before that we were owned by that Scouse div. In three years we'll be owned by someone else again. Every time it changes hands the accounts reset to zero anyways.
Who gives a fuck? Get good players in and win stuff. There's no other reason for LFC to exist.
3 years ago we were owned by them Texan pricks. Three years before that we were owned by that Scouse div. In three years we'll be owned by someone else again. Every time it changes hands the accounts reset to zero anyways.
Who gives a fuck? Get good players in and win stuff. There's no other reason for LFC to exist.
That's a lot to LFC, though, isn't it? £7m is a third of our annual transfer budget, and that's got to cover about 15 senior players.
I don't mind spending £26m on him if he's basically world class and will be for the next 3 years and has a very good chance of pushing us into the CL at least one of those years. Basically at least RVP kind of class.
But if his price has halved due to age then why should he dream of going to a non CL club *now*? That'd mean he's brilliant and good value. Maybe he is, I dunno.
And, seriously, do you not see the deeper significance of us already having thrown £40m away on Carroll and Downing? It's not that we can't go out and spend £20m on Soldado, it's that the team we're adding Soldado to is still shit, rather than close to the finished article it might have been.
Agreed. Soldado is not an improvement, not a bad player mind you but not an improvement.
Yeah, but the point is we shouldn't be blase about risking wasting money. We might well have another £20m to spend if this goes badly, but the real cost is using that to try to supplement a mediocre squad rather than a good one.
Sorry, but if we want to to roll the dice on getting into the CL we'd be much better off spending 5 times that on 4 or 5 of the best 20-24 year olds we can afford. Then we'd have a realistic chance of it working and something to sell if it doesn't. This is just a hopeful(less) punt in comparison.
Sorry, but if we want to to roll the dice on getting into the CL we'd be much better off spending 5 times that on 4 or 5 of the best 20-24 year olds we can afford. Then we'd have a realistic chance of it working and something to sell if it doesn't. This is just a hopeful(less) punt in comparison.
He's an improvement if we keep Suarez.
Twitter says that Valencia's Financial Director has announced in-club that Soldado has been sold to Tottenham.
I agree, i actually watched him quite a lot in Valencia and he is a good player, tries his fucking heart out too which is a characteristic we would appreciate. I'm not so sure he will be as good here in the prem mind you... Only for his pace tbh... If we do spend 20m without selling Suarez I'd prefer we spend on a boss defender or a midfielder.
Where is that from mate?
Footy 365 transfer forum
I heard Kevin Doyle is available
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