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Liverpool eye Spurs target Roberto Soldado as replacement for Luis Suarez who wants future resolved in 48 hours
25 Jul 2013 22:30
Anfield side set to take advantage of Spurs' reluctance to meet Valencia's asking price for Spanish striker PLUS Suarez wants future sorted quickly
Kop that: Liverpool have identified Roberto Soldado as their Suarez replacement
Liverpool have made Roberto Soldado their number one target to replace Luis Suarez, writes Darren Lewis and John Cross in Saitama.
The Reds are in a straight fight with dithering Spurs for Valencia’s £26million man as angry Suarez edges closer to a move to Arsenal. Liverpool have not yet made a bid to the Spain international’s club Valencia, but they are being helped by Spurs’ reluctance so far to meet his £26million asking price.
As reported by Mirror Sport, Spurs sent Technical Director Franco Baldini to Spain for talks over a £22million bid earlier this week but that was rejected.
Financially stricken Valencia want a deal done by August 3 for tax reasons.
Meanwhile, Suarez has told Liverpool he wants his future resolved in the next 48 hours.
The furious Uruguay striker held face-to-face talks with Liverpool boss Brendan Rodgers yesterday after the club tried to block his £40million move to Arsenal.
Suarez made it clear to Rodgers, who is sticking by his £50m valuation, that he wants to leave Anfield and is keen to talk to Arsenal.
The 26-year-old claims his agent Pere Guardiola was told by the club that he would be allowed to negotiate a move if an offer was made of more than £35m - irrespective of the clause in his contract.
And Suarez, who flew with the rest of the Liverpool squad from Australia to Thailand, is understood to have voiced his frustration at Arsene Wenger’s £40,000,001 bid being rejected.
The player is allowed to conduct talks with Arsenal and his advisers may consult lawyers if the dispute over his contract turns ugly.
Exit door: Luis Suarez has said he wants to play Champions League football
However, Liverpool have been surprised by his desire to move to another Premier League club after claiming earlier in the season he wanted to leave England following bans for using a racist remark against Patrice Evra and biting Chelsea defender Branislav Ivanovic.
Suarez told Rodgers he still likes Liverpool, but simply wants to play for a club in the Champions League and Arsenal appear to be the only club in the running after Real Madrid let it be known they are no longer interested.
Suarez will be offered a five year deal worth £150,000-a-week but Wenger will still have money to spend on other players having trimmed the wage bill.
He maintains an interest in Marouane Fellaini but others deals may yet depend on Suarez as they look to get their first big one over the line as a sign of intent.
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25 Jul 2013 22:30
Anfield side set to take advantage of Spurs' reluctance to meet Valencia's asking price for Spanish striker PLUS Suarez wants future sorted quickly
Liverpool have made Roberto Soldado their number one target to replace Luis Suarez, writes Darren Lewis and John Cross in Saitama.
The Reds are in a straight fight with dithering Spurs for Valencia’s £26million man as angry Suarez edges closer to a move to Arsenal. Liverpool have not yet made a bid to the Spain international’s club Valencia, but they are being helped by Spurs’ reluctance so far to meet his £26million asking price.
As reported by Mirror Sport, Spurs sent Technical Director Franco Baldini to Spain for talks over a £22million bid earlier this week but that was rejected.
Financially stricken Valencia want a deal done by August 3 for tax reasons.
Meanwhile, Suarez has told Liverpool he wants his future resolved in the next 48 hours.
The furious Uruguay striker held face-to-face talks with Liverpool boss Brendan Rodgers yesterday after the club tried to block his £40million move to Arsenal.
Suarez made it clear to Rodgers, who is sticking by his £50m valuation, that he wants to leave Anfield and is keen to talk to Arsenal.
The 26-year-old claims his agent Pere Guardiola was told by the club that he would be allowed to negotiate a move if an offer was made of more than £35m - irrespective of the clause in his contract.
And Suarez, who flew with the rest of the Liverpool squad from Australia to Thailand, is understood to have voiced his frustration at Arsene Wenger’s £40,000,001 bid being rejected.
The player is allowed to conduct talks with Arsenal and his advisers may consult lawyers if the dispute over his contract turns ugly.
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However, Liverpool have been surprised by his desire to move to another Premier League club after claiming earlier in the season he wanted to leave England following bans for using a racist remark against Patrice Evra and biting Chelsea defender Branislav Ivanovic.
Suarez told Rodgers he still likes Liverpool, but simply wants to play for a club in the Champions League and Arsenal appear to be the only club in the running after Real Madrid let it be known they are no longer interested.
Suarez will be offered a five year deal worth £150,000-a-week but Wenger will still have money to spend on other players having trimmed the wage bill.
He maintains an interest in Marouane Fellaini but others deals may yet depend on Suarez as they look to get their first big one over the line as a sign of intent.
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"Angry" and "Furious".
I hope his anger and fury increases daily as we turn the tables and fuck him about for a bit.
The lying little shite
Why are people bothered about him being 28? We sign big name players at around 24 and they usually only stay here on average for 3 seasons, this guy is 28, if we get three good solid years out of him and he scores the goals for us, then what gives? The only difference ultimately is that we might not have a big transfer fee to look forward to a few years down the line. If he does his job then he'll have repaid his fee, and we won't have any of the hissy-fit tantrums we've had with the likes of Suarez, Torres and Mascherano.
A decent point Mark.
It just feels more inherently risky for a club like us given our limited (compared to our rivals) transfer budget.
It's not a level playing field in that sense. We're two or three years away from having built up good squad depth through canny buys/youth development to be then able to add in luxury buys (25m on 28+ players) without risking a long term plan.
It just feels more inherently risky for a club like us given our limited (compared to our rivals) transfer budget.
It's not a level playing field in that sense. We're two or three years away from having built up good squad depth through canny buys/youth development to be then able to add in luxury buys (25m on 28+ players) without risking a long term plan.
You've answered your own question. Except you've underplayed it massively. For a team that is struggling to break into the top 4, the difference between acquiring an appreciating asset as opposed to a depreciating one isn't an 'only difference'. It's massive.
If we sign Soldado for 20 million; chances are 3 years later, even if he does well, his value will be no more than 6-8 million.
If we sign Muriel for 20 million, and he does well, his value 3 years later is likely to be 40-50 million, just as with Suarez.
There are also then the matters of:
(a) whether Soldado is actually good enough and suited to England
(b) whether at 28, he hasn't already peaked
(c) whether at 28, he can actually adjust to a new league (far more difficult for a 28 year old than a 22 year old)
(d) what would do with Sturridge, Borini and Soldado - players who're extremely similar in the sense that they all want to lead the line. That wouldn't replace the versatility and work-rate volume that Suarez brings to the side.
Basically, there are at least 5-6 major red flags in bringing Soldado to replace Suarez. That mostly makes it a terrible idea.
It is risky, but people are acting like 28 in every player is a big factor, look at RVP, United won't care about getting their money back because he's already repaying it. We've invested heavily in young talent, hopefully three years down the line we'll be looking again to just supplement the foundations we've already built, rather than bricking it because we tossed away another £20m or so - I don't think we should completely disregard buying players who are over the mid 20's mark just out of fear of us not getting our money back. I know we've been stung with other players, but we've also been stung with your Babel's, Cisse's, Diouf's, Kewell's etc. If we think he's the right player then we should go for him, we need another 15 goals player (and will probably need another if Suarez goes).
That's on the assumption he is a direct replacement. We wanted another attacker anyway, according to Rodgers, so him plus another would be the complete picture, not just throwing in a more clinical 'box' striker and hoping for the best, it would ideally be him +1. We've got enough appreciating assets, people are just hung up because it didn't work out with players like Downing, yet are happy for us to pay to take Xabi back with open arms.
We also need some experience in the team so, as Mark says, at 28 Soldado still has 3 good years in him but brings in valuable experience.
The other thing is we need a proven goalscorer. We only have Sturridge for the main striker position and its unrealistic to expect him to be fit and in form all season.
He is a proven quality player and ideally I'd rather not pay more than 20m. But beggars can't be choosers.
The other thing is we need a proven goalscorer. We only have Sturridge for the main striker position and its unrealistic to expect him to be fit and in form all season.
He is a proven quality player and ideally I'd rather not pay more than 20m. But beggars can't be choosers.
It's not the age that bothers me. I have no issues at all with us signing a 28 year old player or even a 30 plus year old player - they just need to be the right one. Regardless of age, I remain unconvinced that spending more than 20 million on Soldado is a good move.
And it's a fine outline to make, but you can't just stick stringently to one battle plan, because things have gone wrong in the past, if you see a player as the right guy for the job, then it shouldn't matter. Arsenal have had sustained European Football, but they haven't pushed on, thanks to similarly stubborn policies. He might not be RVP, we might not be United, but he's not Stewart Downing either, the point was that if he scored the goals for a couple of years, age is irrelevant if it gives us what we're paying for.
This would be a massive massive gamble ...
Lambert is a good shout - a very good short term replacement who'll actually work his socks off for the team
Replacing Suarez with Lambert would mean accepting that we're a midtable team.
I'm not saying buy him as a replacement for Suarez, but as an alternative to Soldado. I think we should have Lambert even if Suarez stays
No it wouldn't - it would be a short term replacement so we spend our money wisely ... Unless someone like Muriel (who people seem to love - I don't remember seeing him play though!) etc, we should not take risks but ENSURE we have a capable striker who can lead the line.
Overall picture
We should not be selling our best players and replace them with 'stop-gaps'.
Why should we?
True, but part of the overall picture is trying to maintain Liverpool as an attractive prospect (despite the fact that on the field right now, we're not). We have to strike a balance.
We've already signed a couple of relatively unfashionable names in the <10M bracket and I think, as Rodgers said, we now need to look at signing some quality players that can walk into the side no questions asked.
I agree. But if we have to sell our best player (I still think we can keep him and get top 4 with him), we need to spend the money wisely. If that wise spend isn't there, a stop gap is adequate imo.
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