Sturridge and his mental frailty

[Modo]

The 26-year-old, he says, could return to action for Thursday’s Europa League clash with Rubin Kazan at Anfield.

Klopp said: “I have known Daniel now for one week, and for six days he was perfect in training. Everything we did he was full of power, skills. He was outstanding.

“He did so many good things and then he got this contact with (Jordon) Ibe.

“In another situation I would have talked to him and said, ‘please try.’ But we can't in a week of two ACL injuries. Come on.

“It is OK for Daniel (to miss the Spurs game). We need Daniel for sure and if we played this game on Thursday then maybe he would play. No problem.

“I trust 100% this player. If Daniel is back then he can play no problem. If he is not then I don’t think about it because if the medics and physiotherapists tell me it is not possible, then it is not possible. I don’t have to discuss it, just think about another solution.”

 

[peekay]

 

[My_Blood_Bleeds_Red]

The 26-year-old, he says, could return to action for Thursday’s Europa League clash with Rubin Kazan at Anfield.

Klopp said: “I have known Daniel now for one week, and for six days he was perfect in training. Everything we did he was full of power, skills. He was outstanding.

“He did so many good things and then he got this contact with (Jordon) Ibe.

“In another situation I would have talked to him and said, ‘please try.’ But we can't in a week of two ACL injuries. Come on.

“It is OK for Daniel (to miss the Spurs game). We need Daniel for sure and if we played this game on Thursday then maybe he would play. No problem.

“I trust 100% this player. If Daniel is back then he can play no problem. If he is not then I don’t think about it because if the medics and physiotherapists tell me it is not possible, then it is not possible. I don’t have to discuss it, just think about another solution.”

That should put all the psychoanalysts on mute/rest (hopefully)

 

[keniget]

That should put all the psychoanalysts on mute/rest (hopefully)

Why?

It validates their arguments.

 

[My_Blood_Bleeds_Red]

Well Klopp thinks Studge's great in training, perfect even.

Also, he defended Studge by saying he rested him, despite claims his mental strength is a bit suspect.

Look, my english isn't the best but I understand this when Klopp says 'he trusts Studge 100%'.

That's all good for me. Shows how much we know about what goes on in the club, let alone a player's mind.

When Studge scores a hattrick in his next game, everyone will be like 'all hail Stu'.

 

[gkmacca]

So what? The point is that, when he's fit and on form, he's quite capable of scoring a hattrick and eliciting the 'all hail Stu' stuff. But he's either not fit enough often enough, or he doesn't think he's fit enough often enough. What exactly do you find contradictory or hypocritical in acknowledging both of these things?

 

[My_Blood_Bleeds_Red]

How do you know he often thinks he's not fit enough ?

Because of what Stevie said ?

Wait a min. I thought you didn't rate Stevie much as a person/captain ?

Anyway, that's not the point. The point is Klopp trusts Studge 100%. You don't.

That's fine with me...and a hunch tells me - fine with many others too.

Pardon me, but a mentally frail mind for me certainly doesn't belong to someone who often scores right after he returns from a highly probable, mentally-scarring, lengthy injury layoff.

 

[mark1975]

Well Klopp thinks Studge's great in training, perfect even.

Also, he defended Studge by saying he rested him, despite claims his mental strength is a bit suspect.

Look, my english isn't the best but I understand this when Klopp says 'he trusts Studge 100%'.

That's all good for me. Shows how much we know about what goes on in the club, let alone a player's mind.

When Studge scores a hattrick in his next game, everyone will be like 'all hail Stu'.

I think you completely missed the point. Klopp was suggesting he was great for 6 days and then let a knock dent him again psychologically. He even said himself that he would have asked Sturridge to play if we didn't have so many injuries, ergo, he felt that he could play but that Daniel had made the decision himself not to.

And no one is knocking his ability, just his mentality. Klopp is saying he trusts him, the fact he feels the need to make it public is more or less a ploy to make it known that the player is ruling himself out of matches, as previously suggested.

Something will give, one way or another, if Daniel doesn't trust himself to play, how can we trust him to be relied upon? It won't carry on, Klopp is just doing the initial niceties.

 

[My_Blood_Bleeds_Red]

He even said himself that he would have asked Sturridge to play if we didn't have so many injuries, ergo, he felt that he could play but that Daniel had made the decision himself not to.

I must have missed this. When was this ?

 

[mark1975]

I must have missed this. When was this ?

“In another situation I would have talked to him and said, ‘please try.’

 

[My_Blood_Bleeds_Red]

Yup, totally missed that.

 

[ILD]

Klopp says he trusts Sturridge 100%. Klopp is being clever here. He was letting the world know that Sturridge pulled out himself. This might give Sturridge a little nudge in the right direction to over come some fears in his own mind. (If they exist).

I hope this doesn't get blown out of proportion if Sturridge continues to deem himself unfit.

 

[Modo]

I get that Sturridge is being careful, but I don't blame him.
Considering the injuries he's had this past year I'd be quite nervous about aggravating an injury.
How does it help us if he pushes himself to play and gets injured again?
OK, he's now mentally tough with a torn calf muscle. Great.

I really don't see where you're going with this.

Didn't Harry Kewell push himself despite being injured? How did that help him or us?

 

[FoxForceFive]

Klopp says he trusts Sturridge 100%. Klopp is being clever here. He was letting the world know that Sturridge pulled out himself. This might give Sturridge a little nudge in the right direction to over come some fears in his own mind. (If they exist).

I hope this doesn't get blown out of proportion if Sturridge continues to deem himself unfit.

Yeah, I suspect he's trying to build sturridge's confidence & also making it difficult for him to continue to claim to be unfit by making that public.

It's a reasonable play that may well work, in the short term at least.

 

[ILD]

Some could view this as Klopp outing Sturridge but perhaps he needs that little kick up the arse. Sturridge doesn't seem low on confidence due to these knocks or niggles which is a good thing. He just doesn't seem to want to play unless he deems himself 100%.

 

[Mors]

Sturridge is a fanny, but it's perfectly understandable considering he's made of glass. He's obviously going to be scared of playing with a runny nose with his injury record.
We're in a quandary with him, because if he wasn't as good as he is, we'd be best to get him out of the door sharpish because it's getting to the point of taking the piss now. But because when he's not broken he's a great player, we have to keep enduring this shit.

 

[gkmacca]

How do you know he often thinks he's not fit enough ?

Because of what Stevie said ?

Wait a min. I thought you didn't rate Stevie much as a person/captain ?

Anyway, that's not the point. The point is Klopp trusts Studge 100%. You don't.

That's fine with me...and a hunch tells me - fine with many others too.

Pardon me, but a mentally frail mind for me certainly doesn't belong to someone who often scores right after he returns from a highly probable, mentally-scarring, lengthy injury layoff.

Are you on drugs? What the hell does my view of Gerrard as a captain or person have to do with a factual point about another player? And if you think this Sturridge being a bit iffy about his fitness is some kind of weird new theory, then go and have a google, to put it politely. As for Klopp's 'I've known this player for six days and he's fine' remark, well, if that truly satisfies you as to Sturridge's past, present and long-term fitness and attitude, great, you're just what any movement needs, as Lenin observed. And pardon me, but scoring after coming back from a lay-off doesn't say anything at all about the problem, as we've seen that many times before, shortly before more niggling problems emerge. My god I've not seen such muddle-headed arguments since, well, your last one. And don't think I'll reply to your next brain vomit because I'm way too busy in the rational world, ta.

 

[manwithnoname]

Some players are very well known for not wanting to play football (or indeed train) unless feeling "100% fit" and pain-free.

And it often has little to do with them managing their own body, or fearful of getting another injury.

 

[gkmacca]

I get that Sturridge is being careful, but I don't blame him.
Considering the injuries he's had this past year I'd be quite nervous about aggravating an injury.
How does it help us if he pushes himself to play and gets injured again?
OK, he's now mentally tough with a torn calf muscle. Great.

I really don't see where you're going with this.

Didn't Harry Kewell push himself despite being injured? How did that help him or us?

Well, as I said at the start, it's easy to sympathise with him. If he's had injuries and it's worried him, that's human. But my point is simply that, great as he is when fit and confident, unless he can stay fit and confident for long periods of time, the club just can't treat him as a key piece in the team. It's a problem for him and it's a problem for the team. All the club can do, as it has done, is get him the best treatment and, presumably, advice, and then, if the problems still persist, then what? It either means he's going to see his potentially great career cut short by these recurrent problems, or there's a way of overcoming it. As you rightly say, there's nothing positive about just pushing a player to get injured (or, in Hodgson's case, pushing a player when he's already injured)..

 

[manwithnoname]

I get that Sturridge is being careful, but I don't blame him.
Considering the injuries he's had this past year I'd be quite nervous about aggravating an injury.
How does it help us if he pushes himself to play and gets injured again?
OK, he's now mentally tough with a torn calf muscle. Great.

I really don't see where you're going with this.

Didn't Harry Kewell push himself despite being injured? How did that help him or us?

Haha.

Harry Kewell, that brave warrior, so well known for soldiering on, regardless of the pain or possible damage he might do to himself. A true blood-stained king.

I'm being harsh, and he obviously was a player whose career was wrecked by injury, but that image of Harry battling on and ignoring his failing limbs is quite funny.

 

[Modo]

Well, as I said at the start, it's easy to sympathise with him. If he's had injuries and it's worried him, that's human. But my point is simply that, great as he is when fit and confident, unless he can stay fit and confident for long periods of time, the club just can't treat him as a key piece in the team. It's a problem for him and it's a problem for the team. All the club can do, as it has done, is get him the best treatment and, presumably, advice, and then, if the problems still persist, then what? It either means he's going to see his potentially great career cut short by these recurrent problems, or there's a way of overcoming it. As you rightly say, there's nothing positive about just pushing a player to get injured (or, in Hodgson's case, pushing a player when he's already injured)..

That makes sense. He shouldn't be considered a key player if he can't stay fit.

 

[My_Blood_Bleeds_Red]

Are you on drugs? What the hell does my view of Gerrard as a captain or person have to do with a factual point about another player? And if you think this Sturridge being a bit iffy about his fitness is some kind of weird new theory, then go and have a google, to put it politely. As for Klopp's 'I've known this player for six days and he's fine' remark, well, if that truly satisfies you as to Sturridge's past, present and long-term fitness and attitude, great, you're just what any movement needs, as Lenin observed. And pardon me, but scoring after coming back from a lay-off doesn't say anything at all about the problem, as we've seen that many times before, shortly before more niggling problems emerge. My god I've not seen such muddle-headed arguments since, well, your last one. And don't think I'll reply to your next brain vomit because I'm way too busy in the rational world, ta.

Yup just what I suspected. Anyone who dares oppose/disagree your intellect, you deem them to be diatribe. Calm down old chap. Life's too short.

Educate. Not persecute.

 

[Woland]

Thing is, he does get injured all the time, so he's probably right not to play if he feels bad. How would you find out other than risking him? Is there any point? When he's out he's out for ages. I can't see us getting a decent fee for him for these reasons, and we can't rely on him to build a team around... which means he should probably be an impact sub or start when everyone else is out. Mind you it's difficult not to have the same worries about Benteke too.

 

[cloggypop]

He's just a Brucie bonus when he's fit.

 

[dantes]

He must a be a quivering wreck after seeing Gomez and Ings both fall. Maybe we need to sedate him, put him on the coach, and drag him to the dressing room to ensure he makes it to the game. Experience suggests he might threaten to hurt Enrique when he comes round, but a few minutes later he should be ok.

 

[Jerry Laser]

To be fair I think Rodgers overdid him coming back in the last month after so long out....

He really needed plenty of substitute appearances to build up his strength and also more time just training and not near the 1st team.

Rodgers rushed him back to try to save his job....

Says it all.

 

[Modo]

He must a be a quivering wreck after seeing Gomez and Ings both fall. Maybe we need to sedate him, put him on the coach, and drag him to the dressing room to ensure he makes it to the game. Experience suggests he might threaten to hurt Enrique when he comes round, but a few minutes later he should be ok.

Like the A-team did to B.A.

 

[dantes]

Like the A-team did to B.A.

It would be a pity not to at least try.

 

[Modo]

It would be a pity not to at least try.

Haha...pity.

 

[jexykrodic]

In the past certain players were left out of training to rest, having their own fitness regimes. Sounds like Sturridge needs the individual approach. At some point both he and the club need to be honest about his ability to contribute. Occasional stellar performances aren't going to be enough for Klopps kind of football team are they?