But the only thing that matters is what they do in a liverpool shirt. Nothing else matters. Who cares what he did for bayern(where he only played more than 20 league games once) or anywhere else.
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You're underestimating Henderson's impact on the squad. Skillwise you're bang on but his contributions far exceeded his skill.
Probably Alli for Dudek - I think that season we dominated most games and our goalie didn’t have to work too hard. Then for the next 2 seasons Alli was probably our most important player; single-handedly keeping us in contention.
It's not like I never cared for what they do for Liverpool.
And it's not like I never cared for what they know, because I'm just a armchair fan.
But I know, that Thiago is a better footballer. Despite his injuries, when available he's been instrumental for us (quadruple almost).
The season before he had the most clean sheets. We conceded the least amount of goals the season we won the league.
Dudek is a risky pick, but I can't say if it's wrong or right.
Not if you pick 2001/2002 Jersey who had 18 clean sheets from 38 games (won the golden gloves) and was all round considered to be a fantastic signing.
Maybe I am, but I just don't think he ever was that vital for us. OK, maybe during that title run in 2014.
I'm just gonna drop this before it goes too far.
And we won?
It's hard to say. No one is arguing about the skill gap between him and the others. Does the team play as well without him? Maybe. We'll never know.
That’s completely irrelevant to your question. He’s clearly who you would drop into the team from those choices. It’s not even a close debate.
I'll say this though, if you asked me if I'd trade Szobo who joined us yesterday for 22 year old Hendo, I'd take a gamble on Szobo.
I disagree.
Hard to know. A team of great individuals have been proven time and time again to not outperform a great team made up of a mix.
I’d add this Klopp 2.0 has to go and win stuff before we get too carried away because even though it’s absolute bullshit City are allowed to exist in their current form, Klopp 1.0 did topple them in the CL and the league and that teams captain was Henderson.
He deserves the respect at least until this group match those achievements.
He deserves the respect at least until this group match those achievements.
You’d throw in Igor dick flasher Biscan for Henderson clearly from your rubbish selection 😀
I sure would.
It's hard to say. No one is arguing about the skill gap between him and the others. Does the team play as well without him? Maybe. We'll never know.
I'd argue that its impossible for someone who is hardly ever fit to be instrumental.
Nice, it was schoolboy in the 80s -Home Farm. Keane was barely noticeable at that age (u15). Not meaning to be unappreciative or anything but you'd never guess either were going on to England. But they worked hard and did well.
You played for Limerick City? Impressive!
For all the talk about Hendo / Milly keeping the squad together and keeping the standards up, we seemed to be doing well even without them. Considering we had a mini overhaul with the exact 2 persons that were "holding the squad together" leaving, we have to put things into some perspective. We also had our worst season under Klopp with Hendo around.
If we win something big this season, it would likely affect what I thought was the positive "influence" Hendo had on us winning things. Just a little bit.
If we win something big this season, it would likely affect what I thought was the positive "influence" Hendo had on us winning things. Just a little bit.
I think that's a valid point too. That said, we've reinforced the squad with both quality and leadership IMO in Szoboslazi and Macca.
"Those people" - classic. Everyone else - including Jürgen Klopp - was and is wrong about Hendo's value to the team overall and what it accomplished, while you and Modo know better. You two are like the old newspaper headline: "Fog over the Channel - Continent isolated".
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That might add up if the team had hardly changed apart from Hendo's departure, but it's changed a great deal, so such a comparison doesn't make any sense.
Last season was poor by our standards, but that was down to the finances needed to refresh the squad with the right quality not being made available in the previous summer window. Neither Hendo nor anyone else was ever going to be able to cover up completely for that. Signing the quality we now have at our disposal shows that the owners learned that lesson.
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Or, you could say they held an aging and injury-prone shit squad together to at least get us into the Europa League. If we had the same level players as last season and we were performing the way we are without Hendo and Milner, you'd have a stronger point. It's just that we've now got better players, along with an improving Darwin and Jota not being injured.
We're not outperforming our title winning team yet. Hopefully with time we will.
Wrong again, what we know now is that Klopp could not replace any of his midfield unless he could sell them and also terminate the contract. Thats why we were stuck with 2 cripples in Naby and Ox, and the "Limited One". The later having a contract extension as rumoured was probably why we lost that guy who was good at transfers. Klopp got and used Hendo to make best use of his limitations to serve our team, but many fans knew that there was always issues, but we get told to shut up and follow the herd.
And nothing else matters.
Maybe on your planet players can get sold without their contracts with the selling club coming to an end. That doesn't happen here on Planet Earth so goodness knows what the actual F you're talking about in that first bit. On the subject of Hendo - if, as you're trying to imply, Klopp only kept him because he had to, he'd hardly have left him as skipper. I happen to agree that financial restrictions may have played a part in Michael Edwards ("that guy who was good at transfers") deciding to leave, but he agreed to return as a consultant before Hendo took the Saudis' millions, so his original issue clearly wasn't with Hendo's contract.
Mate, when you're in a hole, stop digging.
Dudek for Alisson
Josemi for Robbo
Traore for Virgil
Biscan for Fabinho
Dowming for Mane
Mellor for Salah
Titles galore
When the league was in the balance, we ground out some one-goal wins, often late in the games. Hendo, despite not being as good as Souness or Gerrard, was a sheer force of willpower, driving the team forward and leading by example in a way that both of them legends would have been proud of. He has his limitations, but then, he made everyone around him better, and we would not have won it without his contributions.
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