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So.......Shelvey.......Shite ?

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This is Shelvey's 3rd season at Liverpool and he still hasn't cut the mustard.

After the way Rodgers was raving about him in pre-season, i expected him to deliver and he hasn't. If anything, he's regressed as the seaso has gone on.

Really hope he can tun it around before the end of the season but if not, then i can see Rodgers getting rid.
 
He's 21 next week.

He's got some ability, but he's at that stage where he needs regular games to progress.

The problem is he's hasn't offered any sort of consistency when he has played so isn't good enough to hold down a starting position, but he's clearly above reserve standard.

Sterling & Suso are in the same boat (although Sterling's impact at the start of the season was more pronounced).

I'm not sure a loan move to the Championship is enough, but it's too late to go to a premier league team.

Next pew-season is going to be closeto make or break for him.
 
Herr Onceared said:
Hes what he was a year ago. A young player with promise.
Hes taking some unjust flak recently and it always seems to be his fault we fail.
Thats just bollocks, and the same things that apply to Allen, Suso, Sterling, Coutinho, Wisdom etc apply to him. What 20 year old midfielder ever ran a team, played well all the time or never drifted in and out of form.
I said it the other day, these boys need years to develop. Not 3 games then a slagging.

Ive as much faith in him as anyone else. And given the destruction Lucas faced for years before becoming an invaluable player you would think people would know better.
But by all means continue, i'll support the lads and see where that takes us. Others will want them sold and 25m replacements brought in.
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Says the first person to claim Sterling - an even younger and more immature kid - "isn't all that". Oh the fucking irony.
 
Ryan said:
Says the first person to claim Sterling - an even younger and more immature kid - "isn't all that". Oh the fucking irony.
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In relation to the hype certainly. And I stand by it. Ditto Shelvey. Ditto Suso.
They are kids. They may turn into superstars but they are all far from it right now. But Shelvey is no further away than any of the others.
 
I disagree. 5 goals. Some very good displays and some poor ones.
No different to Suso or Sterling.
 
Even at their worst, I don't think Suso or Sterling have been nearly as bad as the shite we've seen from Shelvey's more recent performances. Especially not Suso.
 
Modo said:
This is true.
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I like Suso, and think he will become a very good player but I havent seen him do anything in a Liverpool jersey so far worth shouting about. Shelvey is hit and miss but he has had an impact and been an important player in a couple of games this season, you couldnt honestly say the same about Suso
 
RedStar said:
I like Suso, and think he will become a very good player but I havent seen him do anything in a Liverpool jersey so far worth shouting about. Shelvey is hit and miss but he has had an impact and been an important player in a couple of games this season, you couldnt honestly say the same about Suso
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No, but could you honestly say that you've seen Suso fuck up as much as Shelvey has?
 
So not doing anything is preferable doing something good occasionally?

Im not having a go at Suso, it just seems he has a reputation thats vastly out of proportion with what he has achieved compared with Shelvey, I dont think you can use the 'he hasnt fucked up' yardstick because he really hasnt done anything at all so far
 
I quite like that he is hotheaded tbh, often it is a good sign.

On the whole with Shelvey he just looks a bit cumbersome to me, sure he does have some nice touches and he does do the standard midfielder things reasonably well but generally i've never quite sign the Cult's point. Yeah in small flashes he can look really good but mainly he is a bit slow and M'eh....

So far mind you... so far...

He is only young yet.
 
Has Suso done something that I've missed? I haven't even seen the fucker for yonks.
Bullshit that. A couple of flicks and a suntan always fools some people.
These players like Shelvey, Suso, Borini, Pacheco (if he's still alive) need to play regular to progress. They ain't going to do that here. But, Shelvey is clearly the most likely to contribute out of that bunch. In fact, you just have to say, he has contributed, the others haven't.
 
nealmac said:
No, but could you honestly say that you've seen Suso fuck up as much as Shelvey has?
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Suso has done nothing for us. Shelvey has had some cracking games.
And to say Suso has never fucked up is idiocy given hes played about 3 times for us whereas Shelvey has played about 30 times.
If they both left tomorrow only Shelvey would be remembered.

And im not saying he WILL make it, im just saying give him time.
We've got posters on here nowadays who are telling us which players will make it based on how they play in the U16's!! Not having a go, obviously its great that they have an insight, but its no great judgement of wether a player will make it at the top level.
 
I don't know, I think it's fair enough to try and judge a player regardless of how old he is.

Take Flannagan for example. He had a bit of a run in the side under Kenny and whilst he tried his hardest I always felt he wasn't going to cut it. Do I really have to wait 5 years before I'm allowed to say that?
 
keniget said:
I don't know, I think it's fair enough to try and judge a player regardless of how old he is.

Take Flannagan for example. He had a bit of a run in the side under Kenny and whilst he tried his hardest I always felt he wasn't going to cut it. Do I really have to wait 5 years before I'm allowed to say that?
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Not at all Ken, and defenders are a bit different generally. Im much less forgiving to Wilson, Flannagan, Robinson etc simply because if they havnt learned positional sense and defensive ability at 21 they arent likely too.
But its not as cut and dried with midfielders. Im pretty sure at the same age as Shelvey the likes of Scholes, Lampard, Butt etc werent up to much. By rights all these lads should be plying their trade elsewhere, lower down the leagues. I just think its too early to write them off.
 
I agree generally speaking. I said a while back that I think Shelvey needs to go out on loan. There is some kind of a player in there and we can't afford to let him learn on the job here.
 
Agreed. And if Suso was given a run eventually he would get the same stick.
Our squad has improved a lot and as such we can afford the lads time.
 
We seem to have moved on from the silly 'dismiss a certain player after a loss of form' to 'compare said player with other players out of form'. Is there any point? Can't we just wait and see? What's going to be achieved? If Rodgers is going to get plenty of patience, give the young players some, too.
 
Good point Macca.
Shelvey and Suso needs to go out on loan for a season. Preferebly to a Premier league club.
Robinson will hopefully get something out if his spell at Wolves, even though the club is in a mess.
 
I love Suso, he's a precious gem of a player, but you don't stick precious gems where there's any old gap in the crown, you stick them in a prime position, and I think that's his problem - he needs to play in a central, attacking position rather than be bunged on where Downing was, or where Sterling was, or where Hendo was. But will that happen? Would it happen somewhere else? Yes, on loan he'll get more used to having his arse kicked up in the air, elbowed in the face and clipped on the heels, and he'll build up some strength and stamina, but he'll return facing the same essential problem - is there a place for his special talent in this team? I hope so, but I don't think a loan will solve the problem, an adjustment to the team will solve it.
 
gkmacca said:
I love Suso, he's a precious gem of a player, but you don't stick precious gems where there's any old gap in the crown, you stick them in a prime position, and I think that's his problem - he needs to play in a central, attacking position rather than be bunged on where Downing was, or where Sterling was, or where Hendo was. But will that happen? Would it happen somewhere else? Yes, on loan he'll get more used to having his arse kicked up in the air, elbowed in the face and clipped on the heels, and he'll build up some strength and stamina, but he'll return facing the same essential problem - is there a place for his special talent in this team? I hope so, but I don't think a loan will solve the problem, an adjustment to the team will solve it.
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Exactly. I've always said that Brendan should play him in the middle.
 
I really like Suso as well but he doesn't look quite ready for the first team right now and essentially building a team around him at this early stage is probably going to do more harm than good.

He gets brushed off the ball too easily and wants too much time on the ball. He needs a good run of games to learn how to cope with the rigours of top flight football and exert the same kind of influence he shows at reserve / youth level.

He's going to have to develop more of an all-round game to play in the middle because he's going to struggle to get some kind of no.10 role. Luckily he's got an excellent short and long passing game so it's largely just developing the physical and tactical aspects of his game. That really brings us back to him needing a long run of games.
 
Yes, he should be used centrally. Hopefully he'll be loaned out to a club which will play him in that position, and then Rodgers sees him as a future nr 10 after that.
 
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