So why did we get beaten ?
Rub of the Green with Mason and Webb
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So why did we get beaten ?
We got beaten because we conceded two sloppy goals defensively having gone in the lead. Both goals were very preventable and Chelsea were tactically better than us.
But you'd have to a cyclops if you can't see that if the ref gets things right from the first minute, then its likely we'd have had a better advanatge as they'd have had to change their approach. That's not blaming the ref, that's showing another point of view.
We werent that good yesterday, the midfield was very leggy and we just couldn't get Suarez in the game because Chelsea handled him very well by putting Luiz there and stopping him from receiving the ball between the lines.
Rogers got it wrong with the subs and the original selection imo too. If you add another half arsed performance from Johnson, no creativity in the midfield and an ineffective Suarez and Coutinho you have your answer. Let me stress this, even though I put it in my previous post. Just so that you have clarity.
We didn't deserve to win on that performance. But that's half the story isn't it? Lesser teams beat better teams because of individual errors and because the ref does his job. He should have, by the letter of the law, sent of Eto'o for his tackle. He didn't and we didn't perform to our level during the game. Our performance level is a separate issue to the refs performance and BR needs to addres that.
You're stating the " bleedin obvious " there La Chacal. But it doesn't alter the facts from Spion's excellent posts, that if Webb had gotten two very big decisions right we could have won or drawn the game. Maybe undeservedly.
Are you sure that's showing another point of view ?
Sounds like trolling to me. Or is it only trolling when you point out decisions that go in our favour inexplicably ?
Gary Neville is a master troll
I cant be bothered. I'm actually trying to have a sensible debate about it without people polarising it to black and white. You carry on. This fish is not going in the net.
Missed most of the match through work, but I thought we were lucky Howard didn't give Hazard a penalty. He made the most of it, but it was still a clumsy tackle which didn't get much or any of the ball. If that was the other way, we'd all have been shouting for it.
Eto could have been sent off after 3 minutes.
Can't comment on much else. Haven't got the motivation to watch the highlights.
Eto could have been sent off after 3 minutes.
Can't comment on much else. Haven't got the motivation to watch the highlights.
Ok to answer your question.
Pretty much every time the ball came to him and he tried to control it.... He didn't. I'm pretty sure that he didn't do one thing of any note. What's the opposite of 'Playing a blinder'? - That's pretty much how I'd sum up Smith's performance. I didn't actually know he was being played out of position simply because I'd never heard of him before so I guess that might explain. I did say that BR has to take blame really - I guess he has to even more now I know he was being played out of position on his debut against probably the best team in the league.
Let's not argue semantics though. One persons 'shocker' is another persons 'a bit shit' - What does it matter? We still fucking lost.
Oh and back to the original post - They were both pens in my opinion. I could maybe understand if Webb had not given the Hazard one as it seemed his view was obscured by Williams big massive hair do. The Suarez one was just inexplicable.
Hazard definitely went down easy and threw his leg out in an unnatural position in order to catch Lucas - as many forwards do - watch it again no pen as far as I'm concerned. Eto on Suarez no pen but an indirect free kick.
However the foul on Henderson was an absolute nailed on straight red card, no excuse for Webb, he had an unimpeded view from about 5 yards, and if Henderson had done that to Eto does anybody really believe he wouldn't have sent him off? Dreadful match changing decision.
As for Mason we had a cast iron penalty in the first half, the replay wasn't shown because the game moved on quickly but having taped the match you can easily see in slow motion Suarez was tripped in the area.
However the foul on Henderson was an absolute nailed on straight red card, no excuse for Webb, he had an unimpeded view from about 5 yards, and if Henderson had done that to Eto does anybody really believe he wouldn't have sent him off? Dreadful match changing decision.
As for Mason we had a cast iron penalty in the first half, the replay wasn't shown because the game moved on quickly but having taped the match you can easily see in slow motion Suarez was tripped in the area.
You're not half as clever as you think you are.
Like LTW said, wanting him to come on as wingback or left-back is not the same as left wing forward in a 4-3-3 when chasing the game. Not. At. All.
Your lambasting of a kid, who's been standout in the reserves at left-back, when making his sub debut as a wing forward away to Chelsea is ridiculous. Sure, he didn't cover himself with glory but neither did half the team yesterday. I hope Rodgers starts him at left-back against Hull and he has a stormer.
Read a bit of Ref Review were a panel of referees go through games and see wheter or not the match officials get the decisions right etc etc.
They went through 14 of Howard Webbs games in 2012/2013. Of the important calls he had to make he got 74% right. Red cards 3/6 - 50%. Penalties 7/14 - 50%.
Is that good enough for someone the FA regard as the best referee in the country?
The Utd bias was obviously there aswell... 😉
They went through 14 of Howard Webbs games in 2012/2013. Of the important calls he had to make he got 74% right. Red cards 3/6 - 50%. Penalties 7/14 - 50%.
Is that good enough for someone the FA regard as the best referee in the country?
The Utd bias was obviously there aswell... 😉
They're not allowed to.
Riley's mob speak for "all" refs and rarely if ever discuss specifics. It's fucking bullshit. They answer to no one and if anyone challenges them they're in trouble.
What other mob used to consider themselves above everyone else, try to remove or punish all dissenters and favoured black clothing?
And that's not just for us, that goes for all teams. Surely getting decisions right is paramount for the game?
See no evil, hear no evil...
Never ceases to amaze me how, when people bring up shocking - yes, shocking - decisions by referees, they're turned on, as if, because we lost, we didn't deserve to have gotten the correct calls in the first place...
We lost yesterday because, over the course of the 90+ mins, they were stronger and better. Fair enough. That does not change the fact tat they should have been down to 10 men after 3 minutes. I doubt Webb's decision would have been the same had Suarez lunged at Lampard in the same way. Now, had they been reduced to 10 men, it would absolutely have been a different game. Why do some of you steadfastly refuse to acknowledge this simple truth?
Doesn't mean that we would automatically have won, but our chances would have improved. And the bloke who got the bloody winner wouldn't have! Just 'cos we lost the game that was played, doesn't mean that we don't have an axe to grind with the god-awful performance of the ref.
We lost yesterday because, over the course of the 90+ mins, they were stronger and better. Fair enough. That does not change the fact tat they should have been down to 10 men after 3 minutes. I doubt Webb's decision would have been the same had Suarez lunged at Lampard in the same way. Now, had they been reduced to 10 men, it would absolutely have been a different game. Why do some of you steadfastly refuse to acknowledge this simple truth?
Doesn't mean that we would automatically have won, but our chances would have improved. And the bloke who got the bloody winner wouldn't have! Just 'cos we lost the game that was played, doesn't mean that we don't have an axe to grind with the god-awful performance of the ref.
Spot on - and Etoo is in the papers today admitting himself he should have been sent off
Refs can be overhyped just like players can, and there's never been a ref to whom that applies more than it does to Howard Webb. There are one or two - Jon Moss comes to mind - who quietly get on with their job, don't generally make big mistakes but don't then make the headlines either. As so often it's the squeakiest wheels which get the grease, not those which run the smoothest.
The ref's no one notices are the ones doing their job properly.
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