Have you seen Agger's clean sheet record from last season?
Him playing badly last season is just something you're imagining.
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Him playing badly last season is just something you're imagining.
How many games/minutes did he play? How many did Lovren?
Which teams did he achieve the clean sheets with? Were they the better teams or the lesser? Did he contribute to the clean sheet or was he just 'part' of the team?
Did he command the defense or was he ordered around?
Fundamentally, since the original point, which you convienently ignored, was a comparison of Lovren to Agger; who had the better season?
Plenty, plenty, plenty, better, contributed, command, Agger.
I think Rodgers, while Agger was here, had something like 22 clean sheets. Agger played in 20 of those. I think Modo has a fair point here
I don't. Saying Agger's contribution was underrated while he was here would be a fair argument, but that isn't what he's saying. He's comparing Agger last season to Lovren this season and saying Agger's a better player, which doesn't add up.
Be numeric.
Exactly what JJ is saying.
Modo conveniently ignores my point and just highlights where Agger was good in that season.
Haven't read the whole thread. Even so, it's a fair point to make.
Ok, so if Lovren played like last season would you say he's made the defence worse? The answer is no and it's his collapse in form that's doing that. It's impossible to say if Agger was at Liverpool this season then the defence would be better simply because he isn't in the PL now. You can argue his record speaks for itself and the defence would be better but that's equally countered by his injury record and he wouldn't have contributed to anything ie we're still left with a poor defence.
You're asking an impossible question really. I can't answer what ifs. But it's a fact that Agger played in the majority of clean sheets under Rodgers. Which again is a fair point to make - I don't understand why that bothers you so much. Who knows what difference Agger would have made? I don't and neither does anyone really. As for Lovren, none of us expected him to be so poor although I'm still convinced there's a player in there somewhere although I've no idea why. The constants for me are Rodgers failure to set up a defence and the schoolboy ball watching defending going on.
You should have said Modo, instead of keeping it to yourself all this time
Brilliant. Happy Christmas Sunny!
Ok, Modo.
Now what?
And all the best to you and your mate too!
Feck me.. somebody pointed out the squad has better players than the team of last season.
I argue different.. Agger last season was a better player than Lovren of this season.. Without question..
My mate? Alrighty then!
In a thread titled "Lucas" Modo needs no invitation to be the prick....
Clearly I am and always have been a Lucas fan, but even I find it fucking nuts that you're so keen to lord your 'I always knew Lucas was the don' shit into everyone's face at the same time as Adam Lallana lords it all over the fucking place.
I do get it though. You had a stance with Lallana and you'll look like a twat if you move from it now. Must kill you that he's playing fucking brilliantly.
Mark, I've never really understood this thing you have with Gareth Barry. Your memory's a short one because he was outstanding in that City side that won the title 4 years ago.
Someone who wanted to make a sensible comparison would do so based on the two of them as they were last season, both playing for teams and in systems they knew well. Someone whose only purpose is to ram their "The Lying Rag shone out of Agger's @rse" obsession down everybody's throats for the gigazillionth time won't do that, though, because the outcome won't suit them. Instead they'll make the meaningless and irrelevant comparison of last season's Agger with this season's Lovren and take the discussion precisely nowhere. Don't FFS sign up with them.
Don't know what happened there. Gin, most likely
Speaking of gin I was gonna get back to you with recommendations, but as you know I got there late... and me and the lad got through 16 in an hour (three cards and an unticked off one that worked twice) and then went and met the lads in the marriott for drinkies and ended up twatted in no time, so soz about that.
Anyways, so impressed was said lad with the brockmans that he went and bought two bottles, which we're just getting stuck into now.
Merry Chrimble Sunny.
Lucas only looks decent when we're shit. Like a fat bird up your local whose fanny's a bit choice but you know it's there on a Friday night. When you're on a roll she doesn't get a look in. But, when the chips are down ...
doesn't make her any good tho.
The 'better than Mascherano' posts I remember on here still make me chuckle every now and then as I settle down for the evening after watching our latest fucking debacle. Christ.
doesn't make her any good tho.
The 'better than Mascherano' posts I remember on here still make me chuckle every now and then as I settle down for the evening after watching our latest fucking debacle. Christ.
I have my reasons and if I say something I'll be blamed for derailing the thread. So yeah, he's great.
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