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Is TAA worth breaking the wage structure ?

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ibromurph said:
Sell him to who?

There's no way he's going to move in the Jan window. Even if we tried to force him out, he'd simply say no and he'd happily sit in the reserves for 6 months and go and play for Real on a free then. And we lose a RB option for the rest of the season.

Unfortunately, we've lost all leverage in the situation. The time to sell him was in the summer, or last Jan.
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By sell, I mean quckfire sale for 20M to RM given they dont have sufficient RB cover or that long ball option that Kroos provided. But you are right, a club like RM will take him for free but not want to pay a transfer fee. They know RBs and LBs should be low to zero cost options.
 
moron said:
By sell, I mean quckfire sale for 20M to RM given they dont have sufficient RB cover or that long ball option that Kroos provided. But you are right, a club like RM will take him for free but not want to pay a transfer fee. They know RBs and LBs should be low to zero cost options.
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Madrid are not gonna pay £20m for him, they will get him for free in the summer. The club doesn't want to talk to players until after the summer window closes losing all leverage. The players wanted to talk, they sounded it to the media saying they wanted to talk and the club wasn't moving.
 
Including that Robinson goal against Fulham.
He’s an exceptional talent
But he’s also overrated
 
That's with 3-4 weeks out, too, and a general acceptance his defending has improved this year.
 
Trent hasn't been anywhere near the levels for 2 and a half years now.

Be glad when we finally get back to playing with a RB who can offer more than the occasional blinder.
 

View: https://youtu.be/Y4lrX-UKxwM

I don't know what Redknapp is on about?
What a deluded point to make.
Is he completely blind to how Macca and Owen are received at Anfield now?

Anyway one thing I don't agree with Carra about is the level of hate Trent will receive. The big difference between him and Macca leaving is that Trent won the league and CL.
Macca and Owen left us as if we were a sinking ship.
 
I was wrong, I thought the opposition attacked our Left Side due to a fans comment but its our right side where Trent plays they target. He can't defend, and he can't run and when he played in MF from what I can remember he was shocking. His set plays aren't anything like they were 2-3 season ago, they're shit.
Not sure what do with a player like Trent
 
I don't think Trent is going to succeed here anywhere near as much as he used to. I don't know if he will elsewhere, but I'm fairly sure he's seen his best times here. If I was him, I'd spin that wheel.

So why would I hate him for leaving? He probably should do. He's in his prime right now... Supposedly. Imagine him when he's actually slow, as well as reacting slowly.

We will appreciate what he's done more when he's gone.

He's best when he's doing normal shit better than anyone in that position. He's worst when he's trying to do something abnormal, all the time. He also just can't switch it off. The Hollywood ball isn't working that day, he just can't play it simple for a bit. Game needs something more boring? We need to hold on to the ball? Nah.
 
i don’t think there’d be anywhere near as much concern from fans if we had bradley and a milner who we could trust at fullback or bradley himself was sculpted from granite.
 
Markeh said:
i don’t think there’d be anywhere near as much concern from fans if we had bradley and a milner who we could trust at fullback or bradley himself was sculpted from granite.
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Sure, but why pay premium prices for someone who is lethal in certain games, but at other times is a luxury, or even a liability? That sounds great for a team that is completely sorted in every way, but is that us?

I don't think Bradley is all that, either.
 
If we can sign a right sided prime Andy Robertson then I'm happy to let Trent go this winter.

I feel like this entire saga turned toxic once Trent's team indicated to real that he would be prepared to go this winter.

If we can do a prime Michael Edwards and can sign a top class right back who will slot in and do a stand up job then I say let Trent go.
 
Farkmaster said:
I don't think Trent is going to succeed here anywhere near as much as he used to. I don't know if he will elsewhere, but I'm fairly sure he's seen his best times here. If I was him, I'd spin that wheel.

So why would I hate him for leaving? He probably should do. He's in his prime right now... Supposedly. Imagine him when he's actually slow, as well as reacting slowly.

We will appreciate what he's done more when he's gone.

He's best when he's doing normal shit better than anyone in that position. He's worst when he's trying to do something abnormal, all the time. He also just can't switch it off. The Hollywood ball isn't working that day, he just can't play it simple for a bit. Game needs something more boring? We need to hold on to the ball? Nah.
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So much this. In the first half it was clear the passing was off. The weather is shit, United are playing well.

So dig in, simplify your game, and outwork them. We know he can do it.

Instead he doubles down on trying balls that no one else can make. And in these conditions, he couldn't either.

So at least fucking run hard when you give it away in the middle of the field for the third time in the past five minutes.
 
He's done for me. You need to offset those moments of brilliance with the times when he costs us and this season he's in the Red. Ally that with suitability to a Slot team (that'd be a big no) and I don't see the point in continuing. If Bradley had not been injured he may have already shown he's better suited and may have even better assists and goals if the few minutes we've seen him are anything to go by.

It's obviously impossible to do a comparison for 2024/5 due to the handful of minutes Bradley has played (1 start and 7 subs snd Trent has nearly x6 mins this season) however this stands out :
Pass completion : TAA 72% Bradders 86.2% (note that Bradders rarely plays long passes and his completion rate there half that of Trent's).
Shooting : no comparison Bradders already has a Shots on Target of 1.12 per 90 vs Trent's 0.26 (inc. FKs) !
Take ons : Bradders 75% success, TAA 33.3%

Looking back on 2023/4 where TAA had 2155 mins vs Bradley 753 mins, Bradley has really good stats all round:
G+A : TAA 7, Bradders 4
G+A per 90 : TAA 0.29, Bradders 0.48
Progression : TAA 97 (4.06 per 90), Bradders 64 (7.62 per 90)
Shots on Target per 90 : TAA 0.33, Bradders 0.48 (both 0.07 xG)
Passing Success : TAA 75.3%, Bradders 79.1%
Defensive actions (no comparison) : Bradders is well ahead on Tackles (all over the pitch), Challenges, Blocks and Aerial duels.

Either way IF, and only if, we can get in a strong RB this January then I'd let him go (though after seeing yesterday's shit-show RM may be having second thoughts).
A few PL 2024/5 stats (in 18 starts) because I'm like that:

Assists : 4 (ave 0.21% per 90 or 1:5 matches)
Goals : 1
Crosses : 102 (23% successful)
Through balls : 8 in 18 matches
Duels won 57 to 66 lost
Aerials : won 2 lost 8

These stats are more damning (2024/5 - I don't care about previous seasons, that's not how football works) as they are those vs other FBs in the PL: All per 90 mins.

Even in attack he's not one of the leading FBs in the PL (goals and assists)

Non penalty goals 0.07 (69th percentile)
Non penalty xG : 0.07 (81st percentile)
Assists : 0.21 (91st percentile)

Passes attempted : 74.85 (96th percentile)
Passes completed : 73.8% (23rd percentile)

Progressive carries : 1.99 (55th percentile)
Successful take-ons : 0.5 (37th percentile)


Tackles : 2.35 (76th percentile)
Interceptions : 1.14. (71st percentile)
Blocks : 1.39 (77th percentile)
Clearances. : 1.53. (14th percentile)
Aerials Won : 0.11. (1st percentile) !!!

Below are some comparisons versus other top FBs. However there is also the eye-test and there are no stats for not tracking back or not following your man (winger) meaning the rest of the team has to cover or is pulled out of shape.

Top 3 FBs for G+A 2024/25
Robinson 7
Porro 6
TAA 5
Kerkez 4

On the Porro vs TAA front the stats are very very similar on most metrics so he's not doing that much better than Trent (and is well down on xG+A). Defensively Porro is a little better. TAA batters all of them by roughly x2 on xG+A. On actual G+A , bar Kerkez (lower) they are all about level.

On passing I'm excluding Kerkez because he has far fewer passes in total and far more short passes. Otherwise for the other three Robinson has clearly the best completed stats both medium and long of the three (76%, TAA 72%).

Defensively Robinson is clearly the best but TAA as good as the others (see the link below).

Successful Take ons: Robinson wins roughly 50% to 33% for TAA and Porro.

On progression Robinson is roughly x3 better than TAA and Porro. Kerkez is x2 better.

Aerial Duels : Robinson far and away the best. TAA the worst of the four.

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Slot doesn't have the mettle to bench Trent.
I'd excuse being complacent against Southampton or another team in the bottom, but against our biggest rival?
It's inexcusable, he basically gifted them the goals. No wonder Carra was livid.
You feel a little bit for him when he says that he would have done anything to play for a Liverpool side that is as good as this one is. I bet Gerrard feels the same.
 
Modo said:
Slot doesn't have the mettle to bench Trent.
I'd excuse being complacent against Southampton or another team in the bottom, but against our biggest rival?
It's inexcusable, he basically gifted them the goals. No wonder Carra was livid.
You feel a little bit for him when he says that he would have done anything to play for Liverpool side that is as good as this one is. I bet Gerrard feels the same.
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Carras talking shite, as he'd be picking splinters out his arse from the bench.
 
Hansern said:
I think Slot is ruthless enough to bench Trent if thats the case. No doubt.
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If that is so then why didn't he take him off yesterday when it was clear TAA was in all sorts of trouble (inc. mentally). It would have been a kindness.
 
keniget said:
I have to think that but for the contract situation TAA would've been hooked yesterday. I've been a staunch advocate / defender for years but that performance was about as sub worthy as there is.
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That is very speculative though.
 
keniget said:
Heh, well, obvs! So are assertions about Slot's ruthlessness and most of what we post here.
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Well, we have more evidence about Slot’s ruthlessness over the season so far. Quansah in the first game, comments in the media, subs, not playing certain players and transfering out players that dont fit his style.
 
Farkmaster said:
Sure, but why pay premium prices for someone who is lethal in certain games, but at other times is a luxury, or even a liability? That sounds great for a team that is completely sorted in every way, but is that us?

I don't think Bradley is all that, either.
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a bird in the hand and all that… it has tended to be that way with fsg, to stick with what we have because we’ve no faith in finding suitable replacements or even the funding for one. plus he’s local.

the good thing is that we aren’t relying on a manager and some guy in ibiza to sort it all anymore which makes a suitable replacement more realistic
 
Farkmaster said:
I don't think Trent is going to succeed here anywhere near as much as he used to. I don't know if he will elsewhere, but I'm fairly sure he's seen his best times here. If I was him, I'd spin that wheel.

So why would I hate him for leaving? He probably should do. He's in his prime right now... Supposedly. Imagine him when he's actually slow, as well as reacting slowly.

We will appreciate what he's done more when he's gone.

He's best when he's doing normal shit better than anyone in that position. He's worst when he's trying to do something abnormal, all the time. He also just can't switch it off. The Hollywood ball isn't working that day, he just can't play it simple for a bit. Game needs something more boring? We need to hold on to the ball? Nah.
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I think this is the best post on his current predicament and the way he has been performing. I would actually take the money, it's not worth keeping him on right now - forget the 1 in 12/20 balls that may lead to a winner - we are better off with a more astute defensively aware RB who can time his runs to support the attack and is also able to run. We have seen it too many times now where just cannot track back fast enough, the man really struggles to run back - and there is no denying this issue. The only alternative for him is for him to not join the attack like he does and just stay back in line with VVD/Konate and ping balls from that position. What is the point anymore ? - it's always the same story and its been like that for over a couple of years now.

People keep blaming FSG for NOT renewing his contract or attempting to renew 18months prior - but lets be honest why would FSG have renewed anyone's contract 2 seasons ago when we did not even qualify for CL ?
 
I'll be fucking livid if I see him doing some dumb main character celebration after scoring a lucky deflection on the back of a bad game once again
 
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