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I'm not suggesting they're asking either of them to sit round waiting, but media reports have suggested that one or both of them are planning to take time out of the game, if the owners have had that confirmed it gives them the time to hedge their bets.
 
But what will that tell us that we don't already know?




The fixture list could be particularly easy or hard - which will influence the decision
 
Liverpool turn heat up on Rodgers

Jonathan Northcroft Published: 31 May 2015
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Jurgen Klopp remains the favourite to replace Brendan Rodgers as Liverpool manager (Lukas Schulze)


LIVERPOOL are exploring alternatives to Brendan Rodgers, adding to uncertainty about whether the manager will survive an end-of-season review.

He is to be appraised on his performance during 2014-15 in a process led by Mike Gordon, the executive from Fenway Sports Group with most responsibility for day-to-day business at Anfield.

Rodgers and Gordon have a good rapport and the manager remains appreciated by others in Liverpool’s hierarchy, but that has not stopped other options being explored.

A process is under way of examining the availability and credentials of other candidates, such as Jurgen Klopp, whose reign at Borussia Dortmund ended last night after the German Cup final, which Dortmund lost 3-1 to Wolfsburg. Klopp has indicated he would consider the Liverpool job – despite initially saying he planned a sabbatical when his time at Dortmund was over.

It is thought Rodgers still has a very significant chance of remaining in charge, provided he can satisfy FSG that a disappointing 2014-15 campaign – where Liverpool finished sixth in the Premier League and performed badly in Europe – was a blip. Inside the club, the expectation is Rodgers will still be manager when next season begins.

Embarrassing defeats in Liverpool’s final two games, a 3-1 home loss to Crystal Palace and 6-1 humiliation at Stoke, have increased the pressure on Rodgers. However, Liverpool are pressing ahead with attempts to sign Christian Benteke, Nathaniel Clyne, James Milner and Danny Ings – all targets favoured by Rodgers.

Gordon is due to meet Rodgers, who is on holiday in Spain, in the next fortnight. An American, he is FSG’s second largest shareholder after John W Henry, sits on Liverpool’s board of directors, and spends significant periods in Merseyside.

Rafael Benitez, whose name a number of supporters chanted during the 6-1 defeat at Stoke, will be unveiled as Real Madrid’s new manager on Wednesday.

Klopp, who led Dortmund to two German titles and a Champions League final during seven years in charge, is favourite to be offered the job if Liverpool decide to make a change. More than just the manager’s position will be scrutinised in Gordon’s review, with changes considered in Liverpool’s medical department and recruitment structure.
 
This Gordon guy is very unguarded about his plans considering he's such a low key character. Amazing insights these journos have.
 
How fair can an appraisal be if it is based on/supported by friendship and rapport? Given how Rodgers can (seemingly) talk a good game, there's little surprise that "the expectation is Rodgers will still be manager when next season begins."
 
I imagine that all Northcroft got was a briefing from Ayre. If he asked Ayre if he thought Rodgers will still be manager for next season, Ayre would probably mutter something like, 'Yeah, as far as I know...' The reality is Ayre won't know for sure at all. So there's still hope a change might happen.

But this end of season review itself needs reviewing. The best clubs aren't run like that. They're run by people who are constantly reviewing what's happening, reacting as and when an issue occurs - or preferably before it occurs. Of course there's reflection at the end of season but you can't cram everything into two or three days of discussion. Look at the medical situation: we had our main doctor leave mid-season and that problem was left until now. We had problems with signings and selection and those were left until now. That's crazy. FSG seem to think they can immerse themselves in other matters for eleven and a half months per year, and then solve everything at LFC in a few days every summer. It's not leading to coherent policy. It's making things even worse.

The summer is for moving ahead with confidence and urgency. Players need signing, decisions need making at every level. It's not the time for naval gazing.
 
It's strange how for all this talk of Moneyball approach, we seem to do the opposite of it. There are clubs that clearly do it right - Sevilla, Juventus, even Arsenal, Dortmund. Reason - football decisions are made by football people. I saw something on twitter earlier about all the wealth Sevilla have created by good buying and selling. Yet most of our signings' value declines - that should be a major alarm bell for FSG is the manager of their assets is actually decreasing their value, and hence destroying wealth rather than creating it.

We should have seen the problem in January already and found a suitable football man to be football director. It angers me beyond belief that we haven't.
 
JohnnyRocket said:
It's strange how for all this talk of Moneyball approach, we seem to do the opposite of it. There are clubs that clearly do it right - Sevilla, Juventus, even Arsenal, Dortmund. Reason - football decisions are made by football people. I saw something on twitter earlier about all the wealth Sevilla have created by good buying and selling. Yet most of our signings' value declines - that should be a major alarm bell for FSG is the manager of their assets is actually decreasing their value, and hence destroying wealth rather than creating it.

We should have seen the problem in January already and found a suitable football man to be football director. It angers me beyond belief that we haven't.
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I dont think that bit is actually true is it?
 
It would surely drive you mad in any company. You've got problems that need dealing with, here and now, but you've got an owner on another continent who just keeps saying, 'Add it to the agenda for the summer'. They weren't like that for a year or so, but they've really slipped away since then. How many times has Henry been over since Rodgers was made manager? Four? It's exaggerating even to call it a plaything for him. He's out of it. And as for Gordon - he sure as hell doesn't leave any commercial matters until the summer; he's on to every issue like a shot. It's the football side that's being run as an after-thought.
 
gkmacca said:
I imagine that all Northcroft got was a briefing from Ayre. If he asked Ayre if he thought Rodgers will still be manager for next season, Ayre would probably mutter something like, 'Yeah, as far as I know...' The reality is Ayre won't know for sure at all. So there's still hope a change might happen.

But this end of season review itself needs reviewing. The best clubs aren't run like that. They're run by people who are constantly reviewing what's happening, reacting as and when an issue occurs - or preferably before it occurs. Of course there's reflection at the end of season but you can't cram everything into two or three days of discussion. Look at the medical situation: we had our main doctor leave mid-season and that problem was left until now. We had problems with signings and selection and those were left until now. That's crazy. FSG seem to think they can immerse themselves in other matters for eleven and a half months per year, and then solve everything at LFC in a few days every summer. It's not leading to coherent policy. It's making things even worse.

The summer is for moving ahead with confidence and urgency. Players need signing, decisions need making at every level. It's not the time for naval gazing.
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Baffling indeed.


The transfer policy/committee thing was questioned way back in 2013. It was raised again by various quarters before the turn of the year.

One of the reasons I can think of is there's some kind of clause/terms stated in the contracts which means if certain targets are not met, the cost of termination will be lower.
 
I'm pretty sure that the club would pay Rodgers quite a bit less to go since he failed to get into the top four.
 
tombrown said:
I dont think that bit is actually true is it?
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Of our signings in the last 2 years, the following have all decreased in value in all likelihood:

Lovren
Balotelli
Lallana
Markovic
Moreno
Lambert
Alberto
Ilori
Mignolet
Aspas

There's no way we could recoup the transfer fees of the above players. They've all depreciated.

Only Can and Sakho could possibly reach a higher than what we paid, but its close.
 
No surprise to see Northcroft identify Bentekkers et al as Rodgers targets.

It seems impossible that Rodgers will have actually been given more influence over transfers. Even if they're minded to keep him on, I don't see any way they'd actually be increasing his power. The fact that the people in effect claiming that he has been are those who insist he'll be staying, to me indicates that their information is pretty questionable.

I think he'll be sacked.
 
Some of the reporting is hopelessly contradictory.




Sunday Mirror Sport has been told by a senior Anfield source that Rodgers’ future will NOT be on the agenda, despite reports that Jurgen Klopp is waiting for a call from Anfield after quitting Borussia Dortmund.
But it is understood that Gordon won’t just be demanding answers about the team’s sixth-placed finish.
He will also look for proof from Rodgers that he is the right man to take Liverpool forward.


So in other words, his future, in effect, IS on the agenda.
 
gkmacca said:
I imagine that all Northcroft got was a briefing from Ayre. If he asked Ayre if he thought Rodgers will still be manager for next season, Ayre would probably mutter something like, 'Yeah, as far as I know...' The reality is Ayre won't know for sure at all. So there's still hope a change might happen.

But this end of season review itself needs reviewing. The best clubs aren't run like that. They're run by people who are constantly reviewing what's happening, reacting as and when an issue occurs - or preferably before it occurs. Of course there's reflection at the end of season but you can't cram everything into two or three days of discussion. Look at the medical situation: we had our main doctor leave mid-season and that problem was left until now. We had problems with signings and selection and those were left until now. That's crazy. FSG seem to think they can immerse themselves in other matters for eleven and a half months per year, and then solve everything at LFC in a few days every summer. It's not leading to coherent policy. It's making things even worse.

The summer is for moving ahead with confidence and urgency. Players need signing, decisions need making at every level. It's not the time for naval gazing.
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Hello sailor? 😉
 
No manager since Rafa has had the ability to convince big players to come work with us... Like Rafa with Xabi, Masher and Torres and Morientes (i know the last one failed but he was still a marquee signing).

Rodgers never had that kind of reputation and if we expected things to be super when it came to transfers with him in charge, we are naive.

But he showed that there are other sides to his abilities that I would like to see us persevere. But the key here is that he must be willing to let a more seasoned pro mould him. So to that end the other two in the comitee should go and stronger heads should be put in chargeof transfers.

But there is no need to panic in a way some of you seem to have with the slightest mention of Rodgers not getting the sack. To be honest its a little embarrassing reading this thread.
 
Hansern said:
And they wont be sacking him unless they know they have a replacement lined up either.
i'm not sure what to make of all this tbh.

Big week ahead for Liverpool Football Club.
We laughed at Arsenal last season and now they're two steps infront of us again.
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Arsenal weren't the only team we were laughing at last season!!
 
JohnnyRocket said:
Of our signings in the last 2 years, the following have all decreased in value in all likelihood:

Lovren
Balotelli
Lallana
Markovic
Moreno
Lambert
Alberto
Ilori
Mignolet
Aspas

There's no way we could recoup the transfer fees of the above players. They've all depreciated.

Only Can and Sakho could possibly reach a higher than what we paid, but its close.
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Add Borini & Allen to that list too..
 
Sunderland wanted to pay £14m for Borini last Summer, we would have sold him for more than we paid but he chose to stay. As for the rest, considering we overpaid for about 90% of them, it's no surprise that it'd be difficult to recoup what we paid for them.

Would United recoup what they paid for Ashley Young, Fellaini and Luke Shaw? It doesn't make them out and out failures, infact, unless you've got a really big talent on your hands then it's rare you do make back what you've paid, whether they're deemed a success or not.
 
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