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Fowler v Suarez

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Rosco

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I'm still recoiling from the shock of reading in another thread that we can't compare Fowler and Litmanen to Suarez because Suarez is much better.

A striker who has had one very good season in the Premier League is somehow better (way beyond comparison even) than a player who had a number of more impressive seasons.

Never have a I seen a comment so disrespectful of a true Liverpool great.

I need to know on what basis Fowler can't even be considered of worthy of comparison to Suarez
 
As a goalscorer ,Suarez isn't fit to lace fowlers boots. As an all round footballer Suarez is above fowler.
 
When Suarez gets close to Fowler's Liverpool achievements then we can have this argument. Its a no contest at the minute. Fowler ahead by the proverbial mile.
 
Is this the quote ?:
dantes said:
Ten years ago Suarez would not have been thought of as anywhere near world class. Let's not pretend this is like Litmanen or Fowler we're losing here. His contribution to the team is entirely replaceable and in fact can be improved upon.


Suarez takes the ball off Coutinho, keeps hold of it, and greedily tries to dribble his way towards goal so he can take a shot. More often than not he misses. We finished 7th for a reason. If instead we sign someone who has the sense to give the ball back to Coutinho and makes a run, we'll be better off over the course of a season.
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If so, I'm not sure Ross understood it correctly.
 
Dahuge said:
As a goalscorer ,Suarez isn't fit to lace fowlers boots. As an all round footballer Suarez is above fowler.
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I'd go with this too.

I think Fowler would be much better for our current system though ... a 20 year old Robbie in this system ... WOW
 
Fabio said:
Is it the jj post after it?
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Ah, so it is !
Glad to be wrong.

I agree with Ross etc...

As you were...

EDIT:

Having said that, I've noticed a couple of instances of late where people have said that Suarez is the best player there has been at Liverpool.

First Craig Johnston stated it in an interview and then one of the posters here stated his father was of the same mind.

I thought more would have been made of it before now.
 
Suarez can't finish and he isn't a particularly intelligent player either. However, when you have no other attacking options and he's your best player, then you have to rely on him. The result is 8th and 7th. It's not bad when you consider it was just Suarez and nobody else who got us there.

Now we have an intelligent player like Coutinho, Suarez is a problem even before you factor in what a cunt he has been. If he keeps hogging the ball and playing by/for himself we'll finish 7th again. It will be an utter waste of what the team might achieve with a player like Coutinho pulling the strings. Suarez is just not clever enough tactically to be world class. He's talented enough, and in a shit team he can win games by himself. But over the course of a 38 game season that's not going to get you very far.

If he is prepared to play on the left, he could be a world class wide forward for us. As the lone striker, it's time for him to fuck off and make way for others.
 
Suarez at his best > all round footballer than Robbie at his best

Fowler > finisher
Fowler > heading

However overall Fowler did it for longer so currently Fowler is stay a fair distance ahead of Suarez.

It's a big year for Luis, where he either gets seen a truly world class player or a great player who had an extra ordinary year last year.
If he repeats last season we will still get $50m+ for him next summer after the world cup
 
Fowler was the better striker and isn't a cunt. Fowler on his day is a much better striker than Suarez. A striker's primary role is to score goals for the team. Suarez 'on his day' still has to have about 10 chances to get one in. Fowler would need one chance.
 
Dreambeliever said:
Suarez at his best > all round footballer than Robbie at his best

Fowler > finisher
Fowler > heading

However overall Fowler did it for longer so currently Fowler is stay a fair distance ahead of Suarez.

It's a big year for Luis, where he either gets seen a truly world class player or a great player who had an extra ordinary year last year.
If he repeats last season we will still get $50m+ for him next summer after the world cup
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$50 million? = £30 million?

Want more than that. Pat.
 
I'm not even sure Suarez is a better all rounder.

Could he ever score like Fowler did against Brann Bergen ? Or the goal against Villa where with his back to goal 35 yards out, he turned Steve Staunton with one touch with his instep and finished from distance.

Fowler was outstanding. And more prolific than Suarez.
 
This is a bit like the Agger v Skrtel debate. Because you give the edge to one in one category you feel obliged to give the edge to the other in the second category.

The reality is Fowler was a lot more than just a finisher. I don't think it's cut and dried in any respect that Suarez is a better all rounder.
 
And when it comes to international performances I think it says far more about the respective managements than it does the players. It was outrageous that England had a player like Fowler and refused to trust him.
 
Suarez isn't a better all round footballer. He's better at dribbling... That's it. His passing range isn't all that.

He's a bit baros
 
Rosco said:
I'm not even sure Suarez is a better all rounder.

Could he ever score like Fowler did against Brann Bergen ? Or the goal against Villa where with his back to goal 35 yards out, he turned Steve Staunton with one touch with his instep and finished from distance.

Fowler was outstanding. And more prolific than Suarez.
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Ohh I love those two goals. And he it looked embarrasingly natural for him.

I remember his first game for us away at Fulham, I was there. Horrendous downpour, treacherous pitch and he comes in and scores a half volley that was coming across him at the far post. He made it look simple and it was far from that.

As natural a finisher as Rush but with more goalscoring tricks in his locker - not to knock Rush but how many goals from outside the box? how many headers?

Rushie was always in the right place at the right time to slot it in. Robbie did that AND scored long range goals and many headers. My god he was a talent. Fowler and Collymore scored 55 goals between them in that 95/96 season and were unstoppable. If only the defence hadn't been so penetrable.
 
Fabio said:
Suarez isn't a better all round footballer. He's better at dribbling... That's it. His passing range isn't all that.

He's a bit baros
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Watch the assist compilation (or passes players like Downing didn't put in the net, or keepers made great saves on) that red_maradona posted.

I know Suarez is now the most hated player in Liverpool since Spit the Dog, but the revisionism going on here is rather pathetic. You'd think he was an average player going by some people's reviews, not one of the most feared strikers in the world.
 
Why can't we just enjoy that fact that both players are amzing talents and both have played / are playing for us? Why use one to demean the other?
 
Spionkop69 said:
Ohh I love those two goals. And he it looked embarrasingly natural for him.

I remember his first game for us away at Fulham, I was there. Horrendous downpour, treacherous pitch and he comes in and scores a half volley that was coming across him at the far post. He made it look simple and it was far from that.

As natural a finisher as Rush but with more goalscoring tricks in his locker - not to knock Rush but how many goals from outside the box? how many headers?

Rushie was always in the right place at the right time to slot it in. Robbie did that AND scored long range goals and many headers. My god he was a talent. Fowler and Collymore scored 55 goals between them in that 95/96 season and were unstoppable. If only the defence hadn't been so penetrable.
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I still think David James cost us the league that year. God, he was horrendous that season.
 
Aidan O' Neill said:
I still think David James cost us the league that year. God, he was horrendous that season.
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Or Phil Babb or our total inability to close games down that we were winning. Look at Utd away when Cantona returned. Yeah the pen wasn't a pen but an all round adept team would have got 3 points from those two Fowler belters.
 
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