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Arsenal vs Liverpool Post Match Thread

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Mignolet : 6.5
Cissokho : 3
Sakho : 8.5
Skrtel : 7.5
Toure : 7 (yes bad back pass but that aside he was excellent on the ball)
Flannigan : 6.5
Lucas : 4 (jeezus. he has only one pace, walking. He also constantly fails to track runners from MF because they just run past him)
Gerrard : 5
Countinho : 7
Henderson : 6.5
Suarez : 6
Sturridge : 5
Moses : 6
 
No point in kicking off or going into a meltdown. We lost to a better team and our strikers didnt bail us out today.
Still a work in progress and we need to bounce back against Fulham.
This loss wont define our season but it clearly shows where we are lacking - midfield.

We're rumoured to be after a quality midfielder and Rodgers desperatly need that in the team. Lucas is shite, the midfield was dysfunctional and Gerrard need someone better next to him .

We missed GlenJo and Enrique but credit to Flanno - he played well.

Ah well, onwards and upwards.
 
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No point in kicking off or going into a meltdown. We lost to a better team and our strikers didnt bail us out today.
Still a work in progress and we need to bounce back against Fulham.
This loss wont define our season but it clearly shows where we are lacking - midfield.

We're rumoured to be after a quality midfielder and Rodgers desperatly need that in the team. Lucas is shite, the midfield was dysfunctional and Gerrard need someone better next to him .

We missed GlenJo and Enrique but credit to Flanno - he played well.

Ah well, onwards and upwards.
Yep, but some of us will want to change the defense cos y'know we let 2 goals in and that must mean it was one of their fault.
 
No they weren't. They were more incisive - something we started to look in the last 30mins. We had 12 shots apiece and possession 54-46% in their favour. Even the commentators were saying quality match between two quality teams.

I understand people are very disappointed at losing so the natural reaction (we'll see a lot on here over the next week) will be we were crap. We weren't, however when you play a team of Arsenal's standard it's the little things that count, the ball coming back off the post straight to Cazorla, the 'goal' by Henderson that should have been allowed, Suarez missing one sitter (by his standards) and shaving the post, Sturridge heading an open goal over. Had those two been on their game we might even have drawn 2-2 or better !!

Countinho was a breath of fresh air, when you play the high risk passes he does you know most won't come off, it's the couple that do that count. He gave us a lot more creativity in that second 45.

You're kidding yourself. Our midfield was nowhere near theirs.

We played well in patches but the gap in quality was totally evident.

What also didn't help was the in the first half formation, the wingbacks are probably the most critical positions and neither of them were up to the task.
 
The mass movement by Arsenal was what won them the game. They attacked with 5 runners, us with 2 most of the time.
 
You're kidding yourself. Our midfield was nowhere near theirs.

We played well in patches but the gap in quality was totally evident.

No, I'm not. And the commentators (and stats) agree with me, so I'm not the only one who saw it that way.

Midfield no. Defence - ours is better, they really got away with it. Attack - well on another day also better because we should have buried at least 1-2 of those chances and there is no argument to be had that SaS are currently the best in the league.
 
Cissokho was dog muck. Flanno did okay defensively but looked a bit lost going forward, Henderson seemed to be protecting him a fair bit and I think that partly was why he didn't really get into the game.

Theoretically, with the 3 at the back and Lucas and Gerrard in front of them, we should have been dominating the area between our box and the centre circle, but we didn't - obviously this is largely due to their quality on the ball and ability to do that whole neat little interplay in tight areas, but I'd say one of the biggest contributing factors was Giroud. First time I've really got a look at him, and I think he's pretty crucial to their play - holding up the ball, nice little lay-offs and pretty tidy at the tippy tappy shit as well. I think having him up their gives them the time and space to bring in the midfield.

Basically, he's like a better version of Peter Crouch IMO, and though it was undoubtedly the midfield where we lost the game, I think he was a big part of facilitating that - I wouldn't say any of our defenders really dealt with him *that* effectively
 
If Gerrard and Lucas could get forwards quickly we'd have much less of a problem. We're very disjointed
 
Gerrard couldn't run, or wouldn't run. He wasn't able to get a foot in or get a foot on the ball. Which was a pity, he was imposing himself upon games recently.

Coutinho was a breath of fresh hair when he came on. A player who could carry the ball from inside our half into theirs.

Lucas was poor enough. Not as bad as some make out here. He had no help in there when Arsenal clearly packed the midfield. I didn't like the way he continued to try force the ball to Suarez. Give it wide, Henderson was showing.

God Cazorla is a crafty player. He's my favourite Arsenal player. Always been a fan of his. Gutted to see him go there on the cheap.

Sakho is very good. A beast and capable on the ball.

Finally, can we stop with the three CB's. Is it benefiting us?
 
Agree with Singlerider Giroud was brilliant for them he made them tick.

Rodgers should've started with a flat back 4, he knew how Arsenal would line up and with Glenjo and Enrique missing the sysem was never going to work, but the truth is they're a better team than us they've a system and know how to play it, we don't.

We've still haven't clicked yet this season but if we do we still have a great chance of been there at the end of the season when the honours are been handed out.
 
I don't agree. He put out an unimaginative team, and that's what we got. Flanno was solid, but we had nothing going forward on the wings creatively. Gerrard and Lucas were very poor. Rodgers really didn't set us up to win this one.

It felt like when Rafa sent us out with no creative flair. But as the lads say, we came close a few times. Lesson learned that we are not terribly far off the cream of the crop in the PL. We know this team can do better. Take heart lads. No need for psychoanalysis now or when we win the next five either. You win some, you lose some.
 
The team was set up not to lose rather than to win. But we lost to a better team of the game. Move on. Ywna.
 
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We started the game wrongly. Formation all wrong. Played into Arse's hands.

I said earlier pre-match that we need to control the flanks and we tried. But our fullbacks were absolutely clueless in this aspect. Especially when we countered, we had no idea how to do so. We just hit first-time, long balls to SaS to chase down. It was too predictable for Arse's back 4 who easily made light work of our counter-attacks. You could see they knew our game plan from the start - each time we hit long passes to SaS who spent most of their time on the flanks, Arsenal would have 2-3 players gang up on them. Arteta played very well (credit where its due) in the DM role, which was kinda surprising considering he's not a polished DM.

When we switched to a back 4, we started to play a lot better and calmer but the 2nd goal took everything out of us. Our heads dropped noticeably after that. Coutinho's arrival injected some fight and fluidity into our play but it was too late then.

Notice when Coutinho came on, Stevie played worse. It was as if he couldn't keep up with the quick passing that Coutinho had sparked. The entire midfield was anonymous. They kept passing it backwards and sideways, they might as well pick up the ball with their hands and play rugby instead. No bravado, no panache, no courage. Cowards the lot of them, with our Captain the biggest culprit.

We lost to a far better team. But we lost it too easily, which was a bit of a shame cos SaS looked well up for it. We didn't support them well enough and they had to do all the work themselves but this time round, their scoring boots were anywhere but on their feet. Tbf, Arsenal played well defensively but it was not as if they put in a world-class performance. They were simply mediocre at best and we didn't ask enough questions of them or pressure them hard enough.
 
By the way, a defining moment was the referee pulling us back from taking a quick free kick. I don't know if it would have changed the result but it seemed a perfectly good goal.

Don't think we'd have scored that one - or at least that easily. The Arsenal players (I think 3 defenders and the keeper) all stopped playing as Sturridge got nearer to the box as they'd clearly heard Atkinson's whistle by then.
 
Didn't read anything, just my couple of cents before I hit the sack.

We were unlucky in some way; the first goal was pretty much out of the blue and that gave Arsenal a huge boost of confidence just when they were starting to get frustrated - because we played really well in the first 15 minutes. Once again, both of our first-choice full-backs got injured or sick (BTW, what kind of illness does Johnson have? Commentators said he was in the hospital…). That's also unlucky for us, especially since in 3-5-2 wing-backs play such crucial role. Cissokho lost his battle with Sagna and Flanagan actually did as well as we could possibly hope he would, but we still missed Johnson.

Games against top quality opponents (and, though I hate to admit it, Arsenal ARE a top quality team at the moment) reveal flaws that can be hidden in games such as the one vs West Brom. I am worried about Gerrard. I don't know if it's a psychological issue; maybe seeing the slick interplay between the likes of Cazorla, Ozil and Rosicky Gerrard feels inferior in some way, feeling his age and thinking of the days when he could roam freely with enough pace, power and energy to easily cut through the little hibbit-like midfields such as this one. Now all he can do is hold position and watch the ball zip-zapping around him like a lion helplessly looks at crowds of tasty fat tourists walking past his cage.

Whatever it is, it's not working. And as we saw before; late in games our central midfield becomes an attacking non-entity. Last week Ryan asked if we really need to be a great team. Can't we just rely on Sturridge and Suarez to always score our goals? This game kind of answers that question. Yes, we need a better left-back, we need a much more energetic central midfield and we need Countinho to rediscover last season's form, because se far he looks like a different player and not in a good way.

Quick ratings:

Mignolet 6. Not at fault for any of the goals. Typical performance - nervous passes early in the game and then a couple of decent saves near the end.
Flanagan 6.5. Apart from one nice flash of skill, a quiet and solid performance. Justified his inclusion at the expense of Kelly (who was poor when he came on as sub in the last game).
Toure 7. The "gift" to Giroud shouldn't mar the overall performance, which was otherwise excellent. Kolo's experience and calmness is invaluable to this team.
Skrtel 7.5 MOM. I see nothing wrong with giving high scores to players who deserve it even in losing games. Skrtel was 100% focused, precise, clinical, mistake-free.
Sakho 7. One or two mistakes, but also a few strong and decisive interventions. No reason for him to lose his place either.
Cissokho 5.5. I don't want to be too harsh. He was not terrible. But he lost the wing to Sagna and didn't do anything in attack. Enrique can't come back soon enough.
Lucas 6. Either him or Gerrard are at fault for the first goal - Cazorla was completely alone in the penalty area and it was their job to track his run. A "trademark" silly foul and a really bad turnover that led to a counterattack are compensated by some excellent forward passes and typically busy defensive work. Still, not his best game.
Gerrard 5.5. He was a passenger.
Henderson 6.5. I really liked his overall play today. But for the love of God, learn to keep your shots on target!
Sturridge 6. Came deep in search of the ball and usually with good effect. Not enough service to do more.
Suarez 6. Pulled his muscle and couldn't run at pace for the rest of the game. Still kept trying, but a frustrating game overall.

Subs:
Coutinho 5.5. I think not a single of his forward passes reached the intended target. His timing is off this season. His dribbling was much better than his passing today.
Moses n/a
 
I don't think the loss is a disaster. Our main two players had an off day that's all

We are a one trick pony and if our strikers have a mare we will probably lose.

Midfield need to score more.

Need Enrique and Johnson back fast.
 
Johnson is ok. Will be back for Fulham apparantly.

The game changer for me is Atkinsons awful refereeing with the quick free kick. It should have been a goal and could have changed the game. Ah well, hopefully we'll get some dubious penalties in the next games instead.
 
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