What's the point of Lucas?
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I don't think it's 'clever to rate him', I just think it's obvious that he is a good footballer, capable of being brilliant, has a tremendous attitude and is a likeable chap.
Remember when he was injured and Ross pointed out it will take a year to 18 months for him to get back to his best?
Modo - keep to the plot. We are not talking lowest common denominator here.
Keep to the fucking plot
So you mean to say that the concept of a team is a myth and basically it's just 11 individuals or a number of siloed units that have no bearing on each others performances?
Wow. Ross could only dream of crushing conventional wisdom with such a devastating blow.
Yes and no. Lucas main priority is to protect the defence imo, which he did. Everton barely hurt us through the middle. He's tactically disciplined and very intelligent.
There wasn't much of a difference between his performance against the Blues and the Barcodes last week and we managed to score 6 then.
So bringing up Lucas passing and tackling after a 0-0 draw is just lazy and a bit tedious.
Look elsewhere. Maybe at the right wing.
He has no discernible tackling technique. He arrives at the scene of the play, usually after the ball has gone, and runs into people so that everyone collapses in a heap. 70% of the time it's a foul, usually in a dangerous position. The rest of the time the opposing forward gesticulates to the ref that it should have been a foul (and he's usually right), one of our other players will run off with the ball and Lucas gets the credit for breaking the play up. Amazing play.
He intercepts the odd pass but, standing on a pitch that size with 21 other men, it would be a statistical miracle if he didn't. Most other professional footballers with the same remit would pull this off.
He runs like a 14 year old girl who has poo'd herself. Only slower.
His attacking prowess (which he was bought for don't forget) is zero. In fact, it's negative, as he cocks our breaks up.
90% of his attempted passes are 10 metres sideways or back to the bloke who passed it to him. Where he does attempt a forward pass, it has to be one that is telegraphed e.g. he is running up to the ball unopposed and can see a bloke stood on his own further up-field. His on-the-ball nous is useless; he can only do the obvious.
Other the years, I have read on here (1) he is better than Alonso, (2) he is better than Mascherano & (3) he is World class. All complete horseshit. If we sold Lucas he wouldn't be on the Mardid/Barca radar, like those 2. He would be off to Lecce or Oviedo or some other mid-table team of part-time hairdressers.
He is a nice fella, I'll give you that one. But so was the bloke who did our gutters last week and I don't want him in the team either.
He intercepts the odd pass but, standing on a pitch that size with 21 other men, it would be a statistical miracle if he didn't. Most other professional footballers with the same remit would pull this off.
He runs like a 14 year old girl who has poo'd herself. Only slower.
His attacking prowess (which he was bought for don't forget) is zero. In fact, it's negative, as he cocks our breaks up.
90% of his attempted passes are 10 metres sideways or back to the bloke who passed it to him. Where he does attempt a forward pass, it has to be one that is telegraphed e.g. he is running up to the ball unopposed and can see a bloke stood on his own further up-field. His on-the-ball nous is useless; he can only do the obvious.
Other the years, I have read on here (1) he is better than Alonso, (2) he is better than Mascherano & (3) he is World class. All complete horseshit. If we sold Lucas he wouldn't be on the Mardid/Barca radar, like those 2. He would be off to Lecce or Oviedo or some other mid-table team of part-time hairdressers.
He is a nice fella, I'll give you that one. But so was the bloke who did our gutters last week and I don't want him in the team either.
He's average. Always has been. Always will. Nice bloke though.
Not really. Carra could defend and Kuyt could score goals.
For me - replacing Carragher is the priority, followed by an attacking player in the Coutinho mold, but with a right side preference.
After that a DM, another CB & a LB.
This is based on us not selling anyone, buttoning put some of the youngsters.
After that a DM, another CB & a LB.
This is based on us not selling anyone, buttoning put some of the youngsters.
They didn't need to, Lucas did that all by himself. What was it ? 3 or 4 fouls in dangerous postions yesterday ?
Is he worth what we paid for him?
The right wing? Jesus.
After 20mins or so, Sky flashed up a stat that said 38% of the play was in our half. And that was a problem throughout. The passing was poor and we failed to really give the attack a proper platform.
That doesn't excuse players like Sturridge who was awful, Downing who was ineffectual etc., but you have to look at the whole picture.
Anybody else bored with this constant complaining about Lucas?
He's less than sparkling, among many others on the day but let's highlight his faults and ignore the rest.
Plenty of end of term performances out there against a side determined to spoil.
He's less than sparkling, among many others on the day but let's highlight his faults and ignore the rest.
Plenty of end of term performances out there against a side determined to spoil.
He's been piss poor for most of the season. There's only so long that we can acknowledge injury etc really. He's had an indifferent career culminating in some excellent form last year, but his career so far has been decisively patchy. Same with Johnson and Enrique too, I wouldn't be surprised if we look at all three positions in the Summer because none of them are consistent enough. Enrique just about gets a reprieve but he's still someway short of the standard we should be aspiring to.
Valid point (I think you're making a point rather than actually enquiring), I don't rate him and don't want him in the team but I suppose, compared to the likes of Carroll, Downing, Konchesky etc, we got reasonable value for money.
I used to say that I wouldn't mind him as a squad player but seeing as how I can't trust our various managers to stop picking him in the first 11 I'd much rather we sold him.
Seems he was asked to keep Fellaini and Pienaar quiet, and from what I could see he did his job well, apart from - correct me if I'm wrong - one silly free kick.
If you want to start a thread on someone, it should have been Johnson. He has been terrible the last 6 odd games.
If you want to start a thread on someone, it should have been Johnson. He has been terrible the last 6 odd games.
Yeah, you're right, Lucas can't play football. Amazing how someone on the internet can see that, but 4 Liverpool managers can't. Crazy huh?
Did you see what happened to us when he was injured or dropped for that matter?
Did you see what happened to us when he was injured or dropped for that matter?
Hallo, my name is Lucas Leiva and you are watching Six Crazy Minutes.
Klinnsman has let himself go.
Four Liverpool managers who've led us to sixth and seventh while playing him
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