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Did you just say we don't need a defensive midfielder - just a midfielder with defensive qualities?
What's the difference? More importantly, what other qualities is this player supposed to have that will enhance his role operating somewhere between the centre backs and the half way line.
Where are Allen & Henderson supposed to play - attacking midfield?
Gerrard is being asked to sit deep and help out - I don't think it's a role that makes the best use of his abilities.
Ah. So I was wrong to give you the benefit of the doubt. Wonderful!
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Whats the point in even answering this? You clearly disagree anyway.
Allen and Henderson doesnt have the defensive qualities imho. Just look at our point average when Lucas isnt playing.
Thats down to the type of midfielders we have to replace him rather than Lucas himself.
Its all about having players in their natural position imho. Allen and Henderson arent midfielders with enough defensive qualities. They're both challenging Gerrard for his spot rather than playing with him.
Maybe another signing can push Gerrard further forward aswell. Though I suspect he's to much on the decline to be effective there.
My point is that I'd rather get a player like Pogba, Gonalons, Vidal etc who are equally good at attacking like they are defending, rather than another Lucas.
It depends on who is available and at what fee so its probably more wishfull thinking than reality.
I'd also look at someone like Fernando Reges who will be a free transfer next summer if money is an issue.
You're all a bunch of Lucases
More like Downings
Typical Lucas response.
Steady
Yeah Ryan, no one, apart from the plethora of posts since. Ignore them though and knock you're self out on that pedestal, you're boss. You and Modo.
Umm... it tells you exactly what his success rate is (Tackles Won %), and he's consistently been in the top 5 in the league in that stat.
Also... "tackle is defined as where a player connects with the ball in ground challenge where he successfully takes the ball away from the man in possession. All tackles are really a successful event." - http://www.optasports.com/news-area/blog-optas-event-definitions.aspx#sthash.ezAJMqVA.dpuf
Firstly, the statistician who compiled those stats doesn't see it that way, otherwise he or she wouldn't have distinguished between "total tackles" and "tackles won". And I don't know if it's the browser I'm using, but both of the aforementioned stats are missing from the table when I click on that link.
Yeah, sorry, I don't think I posted that table.
No matter where I look, or what the definition, I cannot see how you came to the conclusion that his successful tackle rate is not exceptional though.
So why does the replacement for Lucas have to be equally as good at attacking as defending when the problem is we're apparently getting "cut through" on a regular basis
I'd like to see Allen & Henderson tried together at some point - certainly Lucas & Henderson has worked & Allen started off well playing instead of Lucas beside Gerrard.
Anyway - don't get so angsty - its a forum for debating football things - which means opinions will be different.
I think the reason you didn't get anyone to bite is because this has all been done before. Just to humour you, though:
He does not bring strength or athleticism (you may not value these attributes but I happen to think they're a distinct advantage in his position, especially in the Premier League). He does not bring any kind of authority or presence to the role. He does not bring guile. He does not bring any kind of attacking threat. He does not bring any sense of when and when not to foul. He has a very limited range of passing. He gets dribbled past regularly. He tires much more easily these days. I could go on, but as I said, we've done this before, haven't we?
I would much rather see a more dynamic player performing Lucas' role, one who offers defensive stability, but also brings more physicality to the role, and is also capable of joining the attack from time to time or dictating play. I'm amazed we weren't in for Dembele, for example. Schneiderlin at Southampton topped the league in interceptions and tackles last season, and chipped in with 5 goals. He also covered more ground than any other player. His superior athleticism enables him to join attacks from time to time, and get back in position when he needs to. I'd love to provide a long list of players you can scoff at, but I'm not a football scout, and it's not my job to find players. What's more, I don't think it's necessary to have an exhaustive list of alternatives in mind before you appraise a player. I just refuse to believe that Lucas is the best we can do.
It's unfortunate that these discussions give the impression of polarising opinions, because I don't think that is the case at all. I certainly don't think Lucas is a terrible player. Indeed, if he could maintain the standard he showed in his one outstanding season before he got injured, I wouldn't have such a problem with him. But I've seen nothing since his injury to suggest he is returning to that kind of form. And frankly, one good season in five is not enough.
See the post above.
" angsty" is a good word I thought. Even though there comes a red line underneath it when I type it. It sounds right for a lot of people on here
It's a good word though and very apt.
Nice effort but the point was we should have won more with that team, we didn't win anything.
We won without him.
*Shrugs*
*Shrugs*
I'm not sure a struggling Crystal Palace is the best example of a game where we'd miss Lucas but I'd like to see Henderson used a bit more in his place. In my opinion, Lucas was converted to a defensive midfielder as much for his limitations as his strengths, and I think Henderson actually has more raw materials to work with than him. Perhaps he can adjust to the role, given a chance.
Henderson was twice as effective in his role and shockingly kept going for 90 mins.
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