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Pre Match Pre Match - Saints (A) - Sunday 2pm

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Beamrider said:
It doesn't really matter whether Slot rates Harvey right now. Harvey will prove his worth and put himself in the picture. It's what he does. There were times when he seemed to drop out of Klopp's plans, he always forced himself back in.
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i was just writing something similar, never write Elliott off. the boy doesn’t know when he’s beaten
 
Modo said:
I have a feeling that Slot doesn't rate Elliott at all.
Danns has a long way to go. I think he's getting a loan move in January, same with Morton.
Or Morton gets sold.

Obviously it all depends on the injury situation or if we make any moves.
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Can't imagine either of these starting but It's conceivable that Harvey could make an appearance of of the bench all things considered.
 
Markeh said:
the boy doesn’t know when he’s beaten
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One challenge he will face is that slot seems to like jones as the 8 so elliot could be behind both jones & Szob in the order.

I really rate him though and hope he’s gets some chances as i think slot would love his work rate too
 
Fabio said:
Elliott will do what Elliott does best, and that's make people look fucking stupid.

The boy will be a consistent starter soon enough
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I think there is only one position in that midfield that is up for grabs and Elliott doesn't suit that under Slot. Even if Szobo isn't playing his best at present he still runs his bollocks off up and down the pitch and is a damn good defender too - something Elliott isn't - and Elliott isn't going to surpass Szobo on ground covered either. So we may gain something in attack when he plays but lose in defence.

He's not going to replace either of the double pivot (Gravy & Macca) for sure. And the way Jones is playing he won't dislodge him.

That makes him a backup/sub midfielder for Szobo and Mo. (and if/when Chiesa is ever fit that's another door closed). And if we get a Zubimendi or A.N.Other in January then he drops further down the pecking order with Endo and Morton the pivot backups. Last season he had me won over but that was under Klopp and I'm not sure he will be given that leeway under Slot. He's midfielder #5 at best now and that could be #6 by the end of next transfer window.
 
First training session is today. Virgil will probably play I reckon. We dont play until Sunday.
 
Frogfish said:
I think there is only one position in that midfield that is up for grabs and Elliott doesn't suit that under Slot. Even if Szobo isn't playing his best at present he still runs his bollocks off up and down the pitch and is a damn good defender too - something Elliott isn't - and Elliott isn't going to surpass Szobo on ground covered either. So we may gain something in attack when he plays but lose in defence.

He's not going to replace either of the double pivot (Gravy & Macca) for sure. And the way Jones is playing he won't dislodge him.

That makes him a backup/sub midfielder for Szobo and Mo. (and if/when Chiesa is ever fit that's another door closed). And if we get a Zubimendi or A.N.Other in January then he drops further down the pecking order with Endo and Morton the pivot backups. Last season he had me won over but that was under Klopp and I'm not sure he will be given that leeway under Slot. He's midfielder #5 at best now and that could be #6 by the end of next transfer window.
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I actually think Elliot's work rate is up there with Szobo, he covers a hell of a lot of distance and is a pressing machine.
 
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Harvey Elliott on track to beat James Milner Premier League record this season

Harvey Elliott's impressive form is evidenced in a stat which James Milner would be extremely proud of.
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Of players who played 900 minutes or more, he averaged 11.2km per game.

However, Elliott has smashed that figure in his 16 appearances in the Premier League this season.

The former Fulham youngster has covered a massive 13.2km per 90 minutes, with no otherlayer with five or more appearances running more.

Curtis Jones is closest to Elliott, averaging 12.6km in an impressive campaign.
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Frogfish said:
I think there is only one position in that midfield that is up for grabs and Elliott doesn't suit that under Slot. Even if Szobo isn't playing his best at present he still runs his bollocks off up and down the pitch and is a damn good defender too - something Elliott isn't - and Elliott isn't going to surpass Szobo on ground covered either. So we may gain something in attack when he plays but lose in defence.

He's not going to replace either of the double pivot (Gravy & Macca) for sure. And the way Jones is playing he won't dislodge him.

That makes him a backup/sub midfielder for Szobo and Mo. (and if/when Chiesa is ever fit that's another door closed). And if we get a Zubimendi or A.N.Other in January then he drops further down the pecking order with Endo and Morton the pivot backups. Last season he had me won over but that was under Klopp and I'm not sure he will be given that leeway under Slot. He's midfielder #5 at best now and that could be #6 by the end of next transfer window.
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I predicted this years ago...

Modo

Thread 'It's a Harvey situation...'

This is mainly a hunch, but based on what Klopp said last season and how we played early in pre season, I think Harvey expected to get a more important squad role and be more involved this season.

Three games so far, stuck on the bench for two and 13 mins on the pitch in one.
In two of the games Slot didn't even use the 5th sub, even after being 3-0 up like today.

It's a tricky situation he's in imo.
Szobo and Harvey are basically in the same age bracket, so it's not like he can wait it out.
We just bought Chiesa and he'll most likely be preferred to Harvey in the impact sub category.
We...
 
MomoWASright said:
Harvs scored as many goals as slobs and twice as many assists despite playing almost 800 fewer minutes. Just sayin
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Elliott has 25 goal involvements in 120 games for us. Szobo has 15 in 61.
Szobo also has 100 goal involvements in 170 games from Salzburg and Leipzig.

The only thing you can take from that is that we have got two talented 10's, but so far Szobo is better and gives our midfield another level in balance, running power and work rate. The goals and assists will come.
 
I dont think Elliot will last long at Liverpool, sadly because of his physical limitations, unless he can nail down an attacking role either as a 10 or RW. I also think that Mac is suferring a bit and his role in the team is not nailed on. Mac is best when he has license to attack which he does not do much under Slot. I see him as a liability in that double pivot role.
 
moron said:
I dont think Elliot will last long at Liverpool, sadly because of his physical limitations, unless he can nail down an attacking role either as a 10 or RW. I also think that Mac is suferring a bit and his role in the team is not nailed on. Mac is best when he has license to attack which he does not do much under Slot. I see him as a liability in that double pivot role.
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Yeah, while he might cover alot of ground he isn't particular strong or fast or good at winning the ball back / closing down.

He was very effective coming off the bench last season though so that might be his place in the team.

Don't see where he can consistently start or play, Slot will have his hands full if he wants to find Elliot a fixed position in this team.
 
Hansern said:
Elliott has 25 goal involvements in 120 games for us. Szobo has 15 in 61.
Szobo also has 100 goal involvements in 170 games from Salzburg and Leipzig.

The only thing you can take from that is that we have got two talented 10's, but so far Szobo is better and gives our midfield another level in balance, running power and work rate. The goals and assists will come.
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I missed out ”last season in the league” which gives the best like for like comparison.
 
MomoWASright said:
I missed out ”last season in the league” which gives the best like for like comparison.
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Its not really though is it. Given that Szobo played CM for the entire season and it was his first season in the PL.

Fact of the matter is that we have two very good players that can play AM.
 
Modo said:
I predicted this years ago...

Modo

Thread 'It's a Harvey situation...'

This is mainly a hunch, but based on what Klopp said last season and how we played early in pre season, I think Harvey expected to get a more important squad role and be more involved this season.

Three games so far, stuck on the bench for two and 13 mins on the pitch in one.
In two of the games Slot didn't even use the 5th sub, even after being 3-0 up like today.

It's a tricky situation he's in imo.
Szobo and Harvey are basically in the same age bracket, so it's not like he can wait it out.
We just bought Chiesa and he'll most likely be preferred to Harvey in the impact sub category.
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Years ago?? September 2024?
 
MomoWASright said:
Harvs scored as many goals as slobs and twice as many assists despite playing almost 800 fewer minutes. Just sayin
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Yes but under Klopp and a different style of football. I just don't think he suits a Slot team for the reasons mentioned. Or not as much as the incumbents should I say.
 
MomoWASright said:
I don’t think Szoboszlai is very good at anything but running round. He had a wonderful first dozen games and been injured or meh ever since.
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Well that's a conundrum then isn't it! He's both 'not very good' and 'wonderful'!

The wonderful bit though proves a point - that is the level he can reach and it's up to Slot and Co. to ensure he does it on a regular basis. Which he hasn't been doing (still posting good stats though) for a couple of months.
 
Frogfish said:
Well that's a conundrum then isn't it! He's both 'not very good' and 'wonderful'!

The wonderful bit though proves a point - that is the level he can reach and it's up to Slot and Co. to ensure he does it on a regular basis. Which he hasn't been doing (still posting good stats though) for a couple of months.
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Barnes was wonderful but I wouldn’t want him starting now.
 
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