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[quote author=RedStar link=topic=42801.msg1223503#msg1223503 date=1290653774]
cant imagine that getting rid of Dani will make much of a dent in the wage bill, Babel and Agger on the other hand would definately be amongst those who have to be considered a really poor return on investment
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Agreed, but it's obvious the wage bill has nothing to do with this.
(If true)
cant imagine that getting rid of Dani will make much of a dent in the wage bill, Babel and Agger on the other hand would definately be amongst those who have to be considered a really poor return on investment
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Agreed, but it's obvious the wage bill has nothing to do with this.
(If true)
probably not, he does seem to be one of those players who, and im not sure whether its his agent or what, has constantly got stories in the press saying he is considering his future or that there are clubs eager to take him back to Spain. Perhaps he has decided to move on in search of first team opportunities because realisticaly this had to be the season for him to break through here and it just doesnt look like its going to happen for one reason or another
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=42801.msg1223546#msg1223546 date=1290670204]
I just want Roy sacked. He was part of the unfortunate game against Northampton. Who says things like that?!?!?!
Fuck off you old hag.
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yes, he's a fucking cunt. fuck off hodgson.
he does give the kids a chance though!!! hahahahaha! AS. IF.
I just want Roy sacked. He was part of the unfortunate game against Northampton. Who says things like that?!?!?!
Fuck off you old hag.
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yes, he's a fucking cunt. fuck off hodgson.
he does give the kids a chance though!!! hahahahaha! AS. IF.
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42801.msg1223555#msg1223555 date=1290672112]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=42801.msg1223546#msg1223546 date=1290670204]
I just want Roy sacked. He was part of the unfortunate game against Northampton. Who says things like that?!?!?!
Fuck off you old hag.
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yes, he's a fucking cunt. fuck off hodgson.
he does give the kids a chance though!!! hahahahaha! AS. IF.
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just because he has a problem with pacheco doesn't make it not true.
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=42801.msg1223546#msg1223546 date=1290670204]
I just want Roy sacked. He was part of the unfortunate game against Northampton. Who says things like that?!?!?!
Fuck off you old hag.
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yes, he's a fucking cunt. fuck off hodgson.
he does give the kids a chance though!!! hahahahaha! AS. IF.
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just because he has a problem with pacheco doesn't make it not true.
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=42801.msg1223559#msg1223559 date=1290672714]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42801.msg1223555#msg1223555 date=1290672112]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=42801.msg1223546#msg1223546 date=1290670204]
I just want Roy sacked. He was part of the unfortunate game against Northampton. Who says things like that?!?!?!
Fuck off you old hag.
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yes, he's a fucking cunt. fuck off hodgson.
he does give the kids a chance though!!! hahahahaha! AS. IF.
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just because he has a problem with pacheco doesn't make it not true.
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i know. the fact it's nonsense is what really makes it not true.
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42801.msg1223555#msg1223555 date=1290672112]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=42801.msg1223546#msg1223546 date=1290670204]
I just want Roy sacked. He was part of the unfortunate game against Northampton. Who says things like that?!?!?!
Fuck off you old hag.
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yes, he's a fucking cunt. fuck off hodgson.
he does give the kids a chance though!!! hahahahaha! AS. IF.
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just because he has a problem with pacheco doesn't make it not true.
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i know. the fact it's nonsense is what really makes it not true.
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42801.msg1223560#msg1223560 date=1290672959]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=42801.msg1223559#msg1223559 date=1290672714]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42801.msg1223555#msg1223555 date=1290672112]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=42801.msg1223546#msg1223546 date=1290670204]
I just want Roy sacked. He was part of the unfortunate game against Northampton. Who says things like that?!?!?!
Fuck off you old hag.
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yes, he's a fucking cunt. fuck off hodgson.
he does give the kids a chance though!!! hahahahaha! AS. IF.
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just because he has a problem with pacheco doesn't make it not true.
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i know. the fact it's nonsense is what really makes it not true.
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I wouldn't call it nonsense as Kelly and Shelvey at least have been played quite a lot. Maybe he was forced to do it but still.
It hasn't been the easiest environment to start blooding in youngsters either with the team struggling so badly.
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=42801.msg1223559#msg1223559 date=1290672714]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42801.msg1223555#msg1223555 date=1290672112]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=42801.msg1223546#msg1223546 date=1290670204]
I just want Roy sacked. He was part of the unfortunate game against Northampton. Who says things like that?!?!?!
Fuck off you old hag.
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yes, he's a fucking cunt. fuck off hodgson.
he does give the kids a chance though!!! hahahahaha! AS. IF.
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just because he has a problem with pacheco doesn't make it not true.
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i know. the fact it's nonsense is what really makes it not true.
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I wouldn't call it nonsense as Kelly and Shelvey at least have been played quite a lot. Maybe he was forced to do it but still.
It hasn't been the easiest environment to start blooding in youngsters either with the team struggling so badly.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42801.msg1223563#msg1223563 date=1290673371]
Well he wasn't forced to put Shelvey and Spearing on against he champions, and Ecclestone has figured quite a bit too.
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Yep. Who else do we really even have that should have got more chances this season? I can only think of Pacheco but we don't know what's really gone on for him to piss off Roy.
Well he wasn't forced to put Shelvey and Spearing on against he champions, and Ecclestone has figured quite a bit too.
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Yep. Who else do we really even have that should have got more chances this season? I can only think of Pacheco but we don't know what's really gone on for him to piss off Roy.
my point is that i disagree with those who were saying that he's any better than benitez in this regard - imo he's considerably worse. the EL appearances are a mirage because we've not had that chance since 2003: he's never have done it in the CL, and who could blame him.
kelly's made 2 league appearances this season, spearing 1, pacheco 1. i guess he deserves a bit of credit for shelvey, since he's got a bit more times than might have been expected. but, honestly, you'll rarely get a more glaring opportunity at a big club to blood youngsters than we've had with kelly and pacheco this season: injuries and lack of form have opened the way, and still he's ignored them.
kelly's made 2 league appearances this season, spearing 1, pacheco 1. i guess he deserves a bit of credit for shelvey, since he's got a bit more times than might have been expected. but, honestly, you'll rarely get a more glaring opportunity at a big club to blood youngsters than we've had with kelly and pacheco this season: injuries and lack of form have opened the way, and still he's ignored them.
Shelvey got a whooping 7 mins against WH, when we were 3-0 up at half time. Great!!
Roy has a terrible record with giving youngsters a chance, and his Fuham squad had one of the highest average age in the league.
He certainly favours English youth though. Seems to be something in what Mavinga said at the start of the season. Ecclestone over Pacheco is insane tbh.
Wilson has also featured so little it's embarresing.
Roy has a terrible record with giving youngsters a chance, and his Fuham squad had one of the highest average age in the league.
He certainly favours English youth though. Seems to be something in what Mavinga said at the start of the season. Ecclestone over Pacheco is insane tbh.
Wilson has also featured so little it's embarresing.
Why do people keep on with this shit?. We all know that Roy DOES give the youngsters their fair share of playing time. The evidence is clearly there that he does.
What those of us are complaining about with regard to Pacheco is that he is one youngster who is NOT being given a chance. Twelve matches have come and gone since the Northampton fiasco and he hasnt even made the squad.
Im not even sure if he is that good, but I sure as hell would like to see him given the chance to show us, one way or the other.
If Hodgson said those thing about Pacheco in relation to the Northampton match well its very disappointing but not surprising.
Kelly, Spearing, Shelvey and Eccleson also featured in that fiasco but it didnt stop him giving them another chance
What those of us are complaining about with regard to Pacheco is that he is one youngster who is NOT being given a chance. Twelve matches have come and gone since the Northampton fiasco and he hasnt even made the squad.
Im not even sure if he is that good, but I sure as hell would like to see him given the chance to show us, one way or the other.
If Hodgson said those thing about Pacheco in relation to the Northampton match well its very disappointing but not surprising.
Kelly, Spearing, Shelvey and Eccleson also featured in that fiasco but it didnt stop him giving them another chance
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According to the Mirror he has been told to leave the club come January alongside Jovanovic and Babel to free cash and space for new players.
That's incredibly daft as Pacheco has certainly been coming of age of late.
That's incredibly daft as Pacheco has certainly been coming of age of late.
If there are any of our youngsters that should be in contention of a starting place it's;
Kelly
Shelvey
Pacheco
Wilson
2 has featured. One of them played out of postion 90% of the time. Shelvey on the wing, thats almost as stupid as playing someone like Meireles on the wing. Oh...
Ecclestone has nothing to offer our first team. It's tough but true.
Kelly
Shelvey
Pacheco
Wilson
2 has featured. One of them played out of postion 90% of the time. Shelvey on the wing, thats almost as stupid as playing someone like Meireles on the wing. Oh...
Ecclestone has nothing to offer our first team. It's tough but true.
[quote author=KHL link=topic=42801.msg1223573#msg1223573 date=1290676579]
According to the Mirror he has been told to leave the club come January alongside Jovanovic and Babel to free cash and space for new players.
That's incredibly daft as Pacheco has certainly been coming of age of late.
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How reliable the Mirror is? That would be daft indeed.
According to the Mirror he has been told to leave the club come January alongside Jovanovic and Babel to free cash and space for new players.
That's incredibly daft as Pacheco has certainly been coming of age of late.
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How reliable the Mirror is? That would be daft indeed.
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=42801.msg1223574#msg1223574 date=1290676710]
If there are any of our youngsters that should be in contention of a starting place it's;
Kelly
Shelvey
Pacheco
Wilson
2 has featured. One of them played out of postion 90% of the time. Shelvey on the wing, thats almost as stupid as playing someone like Meireles on the wing. Oh...
Ecclestone has nothing to offer our first team. It's tough but true.
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I agree re: ecclestone, but it's harsh to say wilson should be in competing for starting berth when we have 4 cbs in front of him. We've been shaky and the back and blooding a young lad like that could destroy his confidence.He should play in europa however. As for shelvey and mereiles, i think the offical line (for mereiles anyway) was so that he could adapt to the premier league in a position of less importance, so that when he moves back to his proper position hes used to the pace and power of the league. Perhaps roy is implementing the same with shelvey?
If there are any of our youngsters that should be in contention of a starting place it's;
Kelly
Shelvey
Pacheco
Wilson
2 has featured. One of them played out of postion 90% of the time. Shelvey on the wing, thats almost as stupid as playing someone like Meireles on the wing. Oh...
Ecclestone has nothing to offer our first team. It's tough but true.
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I agree re: ecclestone, but it's harsh to say wilson should be in competing for starting berth when we have 4 cbs in front of him. We've been shaky and the back and blooding a young lad like that could destroy his confidence.He should play in europa however. As for shelvey and mereiles, i think the offical line (for mereiles anyway) was so that he could adapt to the premier league in a position of less importance, so that when he moves back to his proper position hes used to the pace and power of the league. Perhaps roy is implementing the same with shelvey?
Maybe so, but you play players were they are used to playing and in what is their natural position.
The Meireles case is just Roy not having a clue were to play him. Poulsen and Lucas centrally and Meireles out right. It's a tactical move no one else would have considered.
As for Wilson. Agger has been injured for most part of the season, and Wilson should have played in a lot of the Europa leauge mathces. He is ready for that, no doubt.
And when he got his debut, he was pushed out left instead of being played in his natural position.
Seems to be a recurring thing this player out of position thingy.
The Meireles case is just Roy not having a clue were to play him. Poulsen and Lucas centrally and Meireles out right. It's a tactical move no one else would have considered.
As for Wilson. Agger has been injured for most part of the season, and Wilson should have played in a lot of the Europa leauge mathces. He is ready for that, no doubt.
And when he got his debut, he was pushed out left instead of being played in his natural position.
Seems to be a recurring thing this player out of position thingy.
[quote author=KHL link=topic=42801.msg1223573#msg1223573 date=1290676579]
According to the Mirror he has been told to leave the club come January alongside Jovanovic and Babel to free cash and space for new players.
That's incredibly daft as Pacheco has certainly been coming of age of late.
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If that's true it's beyond daft.
Hopefully it isn't though.
According to the Mirror he has been told to leave the club come January alongside Jovanovic and Babel to free cash and space for new players.
That's incredibly daft as Pacheco has certainly been coming of age of late.
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If that's true it's beyond daft.
Hopefully it isn't though.
Maybe he's just not good enough?
Surely if he was thaaaat good he'd be playing for our first team or someone elses first team by now.
Noones really come out and said "pacheco is shit hot,give him 12 months" have they?
If he's that good at 19/20 surely he'd be filtering through especially given just how shite our squad is/average our first team is.
Surely if he was thaaaat good he'd be playing for our first team or someone elses first team by now.
Noones really come out and said "pacheco is shit hot,give him 12 months" have they?
If he's that good at 19/20 surely he'd be filtering through especially given just how shite our squad is/average our first team is.
Why isnt he given a chance to show just how shit he is then? Like Poulsen
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