[quote author=Hansern link=topic=42801.msg1219391#msg1219391 date=1289925564]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42801.msg1219352#msg1219352 date=1289920991]
Squiggs is bang on, and I love the way people get all het up about a player whos claim to fame in a first team shirt is a nice flick infront of the kop. Roy has given a few youngsters alot more chances than the last manager gave.
So remind us how its Roy's fault Pacheco overslept for a reserve game and why he shouldnt have been disciplined for it? Roy might be shit but its fuckin cringeworthy the way people try and blame him for everything. If it was jay spearing no one would give a shit.
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It's all good that he gives youth a chance Mark. But his constant tinkering with playing them out of position is just mind boggeling. Shelvey is not a winger.
I don't understand why you continue to stand up for him, although some of the abuse is over the top I'll give you that. But he is to blame for the poor results, and several well informed journos claim that the list of players fed up or concerened with his methods is growing by the day. He's a liability for the future of our club.
He needs to go.
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Hansern, I don't continue to stand up for him, I think for the most part he's been fucking rubbish and is way out of his depth, what I take exception with is people using anything as a stick to beat him with. I agree that the whole thing on the surface seems extreme, by the same token we don't know what's gone on behind the scenes. Remember when Roy took over? Pacheco went public saying he wanted assurances he was in the managers thinking for the first team.
Don't know about anyone else but to me there's only two ways you can handle that when it seems that your in danger of losing the player and having your hand forced through the media. You can either tell the player to do one, or you can tell them they are in the first team squad. Doing the first is very much what Rafa did with Le Tallec, doing the latter is (to me) doing what Roy's done, it's then down to the player to prove their worth and not act like a dick.
Regards the playing Shelvey out of position, that's being over played a touch, he's done it in one game for 45 minutes, he trusted him enough home and away against the fourth best team in Italy, which everyone seems keen to overlook. He's also played Kelly ALOT and Spearing a few times in his favoured role aswell as giving cameo's to the likes of Ecclestone, yet everyone wants to pick out one incident of playing a kid out of position.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42801.msg1219352#msg1219352 date=1289920991]
Squiggs is bang on, and I love the way people get all het up about a player whos claim to fame in a first team shirt is a nice flick infront of the kop. Roy has given a few youngsters alot more chances than the last manager gave.
So remind us how its Roy's fault Pacheco overslept for a reserve game and why he shouldnt have been disciplined for it? Roy might be shit but its fuckin cringeworthy the way people try and blame him for everything. If it was jay spearing no one would give a shit.
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It's all good that he gives youth a chance Mark. But his constant tinkering with playing them out of position is just mind boggeling. Shelvey is not a winger.
I don't understand why you continue to stand up for him, although some of the abuse is over the top I'll give you that. But he is to blame for the poor results, and several well informed journos claim that the list of players fed up or concerened with his methods is growing by the day. He's a liability for the future of our club.
He needs to go.
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Hansern, I don't continue to stand up for him, I think for the most part he's been fucking rubbish and is way out of his depth, what I take exception with is people using anything as a stick to beat him with. I agree that the whole thing on the surface seems extreme, by the same token we don't know what's gone on behind the scenes. Remember when Roy took over? Pacheco went public saying he wanted assurances he was in the managers thinking for the first team.
Don't know about anyone else but to me there's only two ways you can handle that when it seems that your in danger of losing the player and having your hand forced through the media. You can either tell the player to do one, or you can tell them they are in the first team squad. Doing the first is very much what Rafa did with Le Tallec, doing the latter is (to me) doing what Roy's done, it's then down to the player to prove their worth and not act like a dick.
Regards the playing Shelvey out of position, that's being over played a touch, he's done it in one game for 45 minutes, he trusted him enough home and away against the fourth best team in Italy, which everyone seems keen to overlook. He's also played Kelly ALOT and Spearing a few times in his favoured role aswell as giving cameo's to the likes of Ecclestone, yet everyone wants to pick out one incident of playing a kid out of position.
