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As terrible a manager as Woy was though, I don't know how much of the blame of that match against Iceland can be put on him.

Poor tactics aside, I don't think he told Rooney and the rest to keep passing it directly to the Iceland players. And I don't think he told them to deliberately make their crosses terrible. It's one thing for tactics to be awful, and another for the players to not show up.

There are going to be some deeper, more serious issues for whomever gets the job to root out by the looks of things.
 
As terrible a manager as Woy was though, I don't know how much of the blame of that match against Iceland can be put on him.

Poor tactics aside, I don't think he told Rooney and the rest to keep passing it directly to the Iceland players. And I don't think he told them to deliberately make their crosses terrible. It's one thing for tactics to be awful, and another for the players to not show up.

There are going to be some deeper, more serious issues for whomever gets the job to root out by the looks of things.

I don't think you can set aside tactics.

The team out there had no clue as to what to do and looked hugely unorganized and ill-prepared. That's on the manager.
 
Sky Sports are carrying a story claiming Stevie is in talks over an England coaching role.

He'd be a peculiar choice if they want to change the mentality of England players, because Gerrard epitomised the strange frowning neuroticism at the heart of that team. He'd go into tournaments, even as captain, looking like someone off to the gallows.
 
As terrible a manager as Woy was though, I don't know how much of the blame of that match against Iceland can be put on him.

Poor tactics aside, I don't think he told Rooney and the rest to keep passing it directly to the Iceland players. And I don't think he told them to deliberately make their crosses terrible. It's one thing for tactics to be awful, and another for the players to not show up.

There are going to be some deeper, more serious issues for whomever gets the job to root out by the looks of things.

Well, the brittleness is certainly deep-rooted, as it is at LFC.

At least Klopp came in and saw the problem and tried, in the short term, to counter it by getting the players to believe in the team and his style of play. Until the second half against Sevilla it worked.

But Hodgson made it worse because his players were so confused. The man whose whole style was founded on getting players to know precisely what to do in almost robotic fashion so lost the plot in France that players were coming over to the dug out during games asking what they should be doing. The irony is that, just when they most needed that Hodgson-style methodical straitjacket to keep them going, they had no guidance at all to fall back on when their nerves started to unravel.

So I think he does deserve a large part of the blame. History shows that players, in an England shirt, will crumble under pressure unless, either, they're on a good run of form and results, or they've been unusually well-drilled. Hodgson, surely, was brought in with the expectation that at least, under him, England would be well-drilled. They ended up anything but.
 
The problem with Hodgson as national manager is his deep seated obsession with avoiding personal responsibility for his team's failure.

This manifests itself in aiming low, pushing responsibility for performance to individuals, failure to motivate players, and responding to crisis by questioning 'not sure what else could I have done' instead of owning the situation.
 
Deserves his chance.

If it goes wrong, he will be consigned to the bin like why.

Though think he could be a good appointment, will sort the defending.
 
Deserves his chance.

If it goes wrong, he will be consigned to the bin like why.

Though think he could be a good appointment, will sort the defending.
Why does he deserve his chance ? Last man standing ? GTFOOH !

At least a dozen foreign managers have better credentials. Wenger would still be my choice due to his experience and knowledge of the PL and the English mentality. Hiddinck another good option.
 
From The Times:

Arsène Wenger has admitted that he could be tempted to take over as England manager but insisted that any move would not happen before his Arsenal contract expires next summer.

The 66-year-old, who took over at Arsenal in 1996, is yet to sign a new deal at the Emirates and, when asked about links to the vacant England job, replied: “Could I manage England, why not?

“I would never rule that out, but I am happy and focused in club football.”


Martin Glenn, the FA chief executive, believes that Wenger is the ideal replacement for Roy Hodgson, who resigned after England’s woeful showing at Euro 2016.

But the FA would prefer to appoint a permanent manager before the start of the 2018 World Cup qualifying campaign in September.

However Wenger’s words on BeIN Sports, the French television network, could prompt it to revisit the idea of giving someone the job for a year until Wenger becomes available.

“England is my second country,” Wenger said. “I was absolutely on my knees when England went out against Iceland. I couldn’t believe it. But when you watched the game you could sense, after 60 minutes, that the worst could happen. Did they panic or were they tired? I don’t know, but England couldn’t find an answer to what Iceland posed.

“I have one more year to go with Arsenal and I have been with them for a long time. I have always respected all my contacts [throughout my career] and will continue to do that.

“What will I do after that? Honestly, I don’t know.”

England’s first World Cup qualifying match is against Slovakia on September 4. Lithuania, Malta, Scotland and Slovenia complete group F.
 
Big Sam? No fucking way ...

He'd have to bring that stupid head set back again. The FA would have to insist on that.

By the way, what DID happen to that? It was his version of The Jetsons' jet pack. The Future. Other managers could only shout at their staff from close proximity. Fat Sam could order a pizza and book a cab during games. Then it disappeared. Only the ice baths remain of Big Sam's Bold Future.


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I read somewhere than Roberto Mancini is going to be offered the job. Seems plausible – it would be like FA to impulsively hire a foreigner after an English manager failed and vice versa.
 
I read somewhere than Roberto Mancini is going to be offered the job. Seems plausible – it would be like FA to impulsively hire a foreigner after an English manager failed and vice versa.
Considering all the hullaballoo the FA have made about consulting with this and that person, and this and that group, I doubt we are going to see any permanent appointment in the near future. Hopefully a short-term appointment holding it for Wenger.
 
Why does he deserve his chance ? Last man standing ? GTFOOH !

At least a dozen foreign managers have better credentials. Wenger would still be my choice due to his experience and knowledge of the PL and the English mentality. Hiddinck another good option.


He has lasted in the Premier league longer than most foreign managers who have been the flavour of the managers like villa boas who some wanted here.

Should not get a foreign manager unless you are developing country.
 
It won't matter who the next manager is. Until the players can carry the pressure (real or imagined) it will be futile.
 
He has lasted in the Premier league longer than most foreign managers who have been the flavour of the managers like villa boas who some wanted here.

Should not get a foreign manager unless you are developing country.
And he's still done fuck all and not one top club has thought to entrust him with the keys .. tells you a lot.
 
And he's still done fuck all and not one top club has thought to entrust him with the keys .. tells you a lot.


English (brit) managers rarely get a chance at top clubs and if they ar enot sucessfull they are on scrap heap liek moyes / rodgers.

Didnt rafa get relagted when in spain.

I doubt he would have got the same chance again at a top club if his was english
 
It won't matter who the next manager is. Until the players can carry the pressure (real or imagined) it will be futile.

There is always pressure - look at France yesterday, their legs got heavier by the minute in the 2nd half. But it's much easier to cope with pressure when you have belief in your manager's plan. Deep down players know when their manager is full of shit, and that's when they succumb to pressure and lose the team organization completely, like it happened with England.
 
It won't matter who the next manager is. Until the players can carry the pressure (real or imagined) it will be futile.

I think that's the kind of manager they need - as much of a psychiatrist as a tactician. Chris Coleman is hardly a tactical genius, but he got his best players playing with freedom and confidence, and his worst players busting a gut for the team. Pretty much the same goes for both Ireland teams and Iceland.

It might even be worth, as an experiment, an England manager eschewing the traditional view that the team should be some kind of stellar showcase for the most sublime talents in the land, and focus instead on picking personalities who'll function best as a unit. After all, Ramsey didn't fill his 1966 team, or even squad, with the very best players. He had a spine of top class talent, in Banks, Moore, Charlton and Greaves'Hunt, but most of the others were reliably functional. If Allardyce did get the job I'd assume that would be his modus operandi. And, while that might well depress some fans, and certainly me, it would probably produce a team that could do as well as Wales.

If you go the other way and stick with the increasingly arrogant view that an England team has not just got to win but win 'in the right way,' then you'd surely need to find a Venables type who could somehow execute the trick of making enough of the players believe that they're as good as their reputations suggest, and buy into a clear and coherent tactical plan. And I don't see an English manager who can do that.
 
I substantially agree with that, but my stomach turns over at the thought of Allardyce getting the job. He'd do better than Hodgson, but who wouldn't?
 
Seems as though the two candidates are Klinsmann and Allardyce.

I'd give the job Klinsmann, on the basis that he isnt Allardyce.
 
I substantially agree with that, but my stomach turns over at the thought of Allardyce getting the job. He'd do better than Hodgson, but who wouldn't?

I worry that Sam will have been keeping up with modern marketing sales techniques, realised that PowerPoint is a little old hat, and "experiential" is now where it's at.

So expect his interview to be accompanied with a trio of singers belting out "Simply The Best", a personalised England pinata for the interview panel, containing Percy Pig sweets and a whistle, plus a small canister of Sam Allardyce essence to spray on themselves when he speaks.
 
I worry that Sam will have been keeping up with modern marketing sales techniques, realised that PowerPoint is a little old hat, and "experiential" is now where it's at.

So expect his interview to be accompanied with a trio of singers belting out "Simply The Best", a personalised England pinata for the interview panel, containing Percy Pig sweets and a whistle, plus a small canister of Sam Allardyce essence to spray on themselves when he speaks.

If he rocks up at the interview with a female of any kind (trainer, medic, masseuse etc) on his 'team' and couples it with the experiential stuff he's in. The FA are big into the equal opportunities stuff and it would fill the diversity co-ordinators requirements a treat.

The football trainer bits almost an afterthought I'd say.
 
If he rocks up at the interview with a female of any kind (trainer, medic, masseuse etc) on his 'team' and couples it with the experiential stuff he's in. The FA are big into the equal opportunities stuff and it would fill the diversity co-ordinators requirements a treat.

The football trainer bits almost an afterthought I'd say.

"Team England is not about jobs and titles. It's about the common goal we all share. I am not "the manager", I am just 'Sam'"
 
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