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Whirly said:
As terrible a manager as Woy was though, I don't know how much of the blame of that match against Iceland can be put on him.

Poor tactics aside, I don't think he told Rooney and the rest to keep passing it directly to the Iceland players. And I don't think he told them to deliberately make their crosses terrible. It's one thing for tactics to be awful, and another for the players to not show up.

There are going to be some deeper, more serious issues for whomever gets the job to root out by the looks of things.
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Apparently it's because the players are thick. I think this article is fairly extreme tbh. http://www.football365.com/news/are-england-too-thick-to-win-anything
 
gkmacca said:
I think that's the kind of manager they need - as much of a psychiatrist as a tactician. Chris Coleman is hardly a tactical genius, but he got his best players playing with freedom and confidence, and his worst players busting a gut for the team. Pretty much the same goes for both Ireland teams and Iceland.

It might even be worth, as an experiment, an England manager eschewing the traditional view that the team should be some kind of stellar showcase for the most sublime talents in the land, and focus instead on picking personalities who'll function best as a unit. After all, Ramsey didn't fill his 1966 team, or even squad, with the very best players. He had a spine of top class talent, in Banks, Moore, Charlton and Greaves'Hunt, but most of the others were reliably functional. If Allardyce did get the job I'd assume that would be his modus operandi. And, while that might well depress some fans, and certainly me, it would probably produce a team that could do as well as Wales.

If you go the other way and stick with the increasingly arrogant view that an England team has not just got to win but win 'in the right way,' then you'd surely need to find a Venables type who could somehow execute the trick of making enough of the players believe that they're as good as their reputations suggest, and buy into a clear and coherent tactical plan. And I don't see an English manager who can do that.
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That's a good point. They need a ballsy manager to pick the best team, not just the best players. We saw successive England managers refusing to drop one of Gerrard or Lampard (it'd be Lampard obviously!!), Eriksen asked his midfielders which one of them would volunteer for defensive midfield, and Rooney in current form should have been on the periphary of the team at the Euros. The managers should be able to handle of all the above situations.
 
After watching euro 2016 im pretty sure Allardyce would have been in his element

The winners with a squad of top drawer players, among them the 2nd best in the world, played like a league 1 side in an FA cup match against the big boys. And in fairness to Allardyce his last 2 managerial positions have left the clubs in significantly better places.

I probably wouldnt hire him but at least he's not Roy
 
While I'm not advocating his appointment, Klinsmann would be a better shout than either of the home-grown walruses that have been named in this thread lately. He's actually done well as an international manager, and may be one of those (Venables being another) who operate better in that kind of environment than they ever would at club level.
 
We do need someone who can dig out results with mediocre players, 'cos that's what we have.

I don't know if Fat Sam is the answer but I can't see the job suiting Wenger et al.
 
Steve Bruce and Fat Sam, shows that the FA learned next to nothing from the failure in France.
 
Hansern said:
That they need a better manager? Someone with a different approach? Not two old English bastards that represent much of the same as the previous regime.
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Well, normally I'd agree but they've tried a Swede and an Italian without any perceptible improvement.
 
I hate to say it, but I think Fat Sam could be alright. He plays to his team's strengths (which are sometimes few), not afraid to play physical to get a result (we could use that on occasion), and is not as anti-football as he is often made out to be.

I don't like him much, but at least he has a bit of passion about him and less of a wanker than Pardew.
 
FreshRed said:
I hate to say it, but I think Fat Sam could be alright. He plays to his team's strengths (which are sometimes few), not afraid to play physical to get a result (we could use that on occasion), and is not as anti-football as he is often made out to be.

I don't like him much, but at least he has a bit of passion about him and less of a wanker than Pardew.
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Being "less of a wanker than Pardew" includes 99% of football managers though
 
jexykrodic said:
If he rocks up at the interview with a female of any kind (trainer, medic, masseuse etc) on his 'team' and couples it with the experiential stuff he's in. The FA are big into the equal opportunities stuff and it would fill the diversity co-ordinators requirements a treat.

The football trainer bits almost an afterthought I'd say.
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Add in an overhead Drone to show that a) he has all his own hair and b) it's a new training aide ... and he's home and dry.
 
Judge Jules said:
While I'm not advocating his appointment, Klinsmann would be a better shout than either of the home-grown walruses that have been named in this thread lately. He's actually done well as an international manager, and may be one of those (Venables being another) who operate better in that kind of environment than they ever would at club level.
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I think the American fans will dispute that. I was reading the Copa America thread on RedCafe and the Americans on there reckon USA have actually gone backwards since he took over. They absolutely ripped him to shreds. Worth a read.
 
Rosco said:
There is a point in it. Everyone knows intelligence is an important factor in most sports.

In England and Ireland you pretty much have had to leave school to pursue a football career.
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Oh come on. Basketball and American football is filled to the brim with functioning retards.
 
Frogfish said:
I think the American fans will dispute that. I was reading the Copa America thread on RedCafe and the Americans on there reckon USA have actually gone backwards since he took over. They absolutely ripped him to shreds. Worth a read.
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You could have read the Copa America thread on here where I ripped him to shreds 😉

Klinsmann will be a bad appointment for England.
 
Furry muff. They've been singing a different song on the radio at times, but I hadn't researched it the way you fellas have.
 
Judge Jules said:
While I'm not advocating his appointment, Klinsmann would be a better shout than either of the home-grown walruses that have been named in this thread lately. He's actually done well as an international manager, and may be one of those (Venables being another) who operate better in that kind of environment than they ever would at club level.
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I think Klinsmann would need a proper coach to actually run the team. He owed a huge amount to Löw when he managed Germany, and he hasn't really found another coach since then to threaten the same success. Maybe he and Eddie Howe would work, but Howe's a bit like Rodgers, he wants to have complete control.
 
gkmacca said:
I think Klinsmann would need a proper coach to actually run the team. He owed a huge amount to Löw when he managed Germany, and he hasn't really found another coach since then to threaten the same success. Maybe he and Eddie Howe would work, but Howe's a bit like Rodgers, he wants to have complete control.
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Agreed. The only foreign coach mentioned so far that seems a good fit so far is Hiddink. Wenger is a good coach, but his team's always take months to get going and loses too many "critical" games - they are not mentally tough and that is what England need more than anything.
 
manwithnoname said:
Oh come on. Basketball and American football is filled to the brim with functioning retards.
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The average NBA squad has 12-15 players. I can guarantee you that every single one of the squads has more years of college education than every England squad thats ever gone to a tournament.

That might still be true if you just took all the English players in the Premiership.
 
International football is about creating a system and getting a squad of players to believe and perform in the system for 5-8 games every two years. I think Allardyce is capable of that. Problem is that when media starts picking the team - Rooney in midfield - and all that, I am not sure if Allardyce has the guts to drop players in favor of the system.


As for those who are complaining of his track record, this is Italy's new manager, who will probably take the weakest Italian squad in ages to another quarter and semi final appearance.

Serie C1
Lecce: 1995–96
Campionato Interregionale/Serie D
Entella: 1984–85
Pistoiese: 1990–91
 
Rosco said:
The average NBA squad has 12-15 players. I can guarantee you that every single one of the squads has more years of college education than every England squad thats ever gone to a tournament.

That might still be true if you just took all the English players in the Premiership.
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We all know what college education means for US sportsmen: play sport for that college and don't worry too much about the education bit
 
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