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If the FA can't look back and reflect on the fact that the only times in recent times that England players have looked relatively intelligent, mature and strong-willed during a tournament were under Robson in 1990, Venables in 1996 and Hoddle in 1998. In other words, the three occasions when they were managed by reasonably progressive coaches with a clear vision about how they wanted their teams to play.
Yet the FA proceeded to get McLaren, who didn't really have any proper blueprint but was simply good at implementing a good manager's ideas on the training pitch, and Sven and Capello, not because of any tactical vision but merely because the FA had an ill-thought out hope that a foreigner might bring a bit of mystical foreign nous. The appointment of Hodgson was more an admission that they didn't know what to do except fail again with an Englishman rather than a foreigner.
Given who was available last time, the stubborn and snooty refusal to take seriously the Redknapp/Rodgers partnership was reminiscent of the default attitude shown by England Test and County Cricket Board whenever any 'common' people get too close.
This time, again given who is around and might be available, they should consider Eddie Howe, maybe with a short term 'minder,' such as Hoddle or Redknapp, so that Howe can continue to manage Bournemouth and keep getting experience. They should also revive the system set up by Greenwood, in which manager who already are contenders for the jon (rather than largely untested novices like Southgate) work within the system by managing B teams and under 21/18 teams part-time.
Yet the FA proceeded to get McLaren, who didn't really have any proper blueprint but was simply good at implementing a good manager's ideas on the training pitch, and Sven and Capello, not because of any tactical vision but merely because the FA had an ill-thought out hope that a foreigner might bring a bit of mystical foreign nous. The appointment of Hodgson was more an admission that they didn't know what to do except fail again with an Englishman rather than a foreigner.
Given who was available last time, the stubborn and snooty refusal to take seriously the Redknapp/Rodgers partnership was reminiscent of the default attitude shown by England Test and County Cricket Board whenever any 'common' people get too close.
This time, again given who is around and might be available, they should consider Eddie Howe, maybe with a short term 'minder,' such as Hoddle or Redknapp, so that Howe can continue to manage Bournemouth and keep getting experience. They should also revive the system set up by Greenwood, in which manager who already are contenders for the jon (rather than largely untested novices like Southgate) work within the system by managing B teams and under 21/18 teams part-time.
Yeah why not?
A few years ago I wouldn't have minded Hoddle again, but if you read and listen to his comments in the past couple of years it's quite depressing. He sounds as if his brain has been frazzled. As an example: prior to the Russia game, he suggested Clyne should start at RB ahead of Walker. Then, after Clyne played in the third game, he wrote: 'Walker should come back in because he's clearly more effective than Clyne'.
But as I said, I wouldn't mind him or Redknapp being brought in as a kind of temporary assistant to someone like Howe, simply to give him some guidance about basic practical things while he settles into the job. The actual manager needs to be someone full of fresh ideas, and a positive and progressive outlook.
I don't care, and no one.
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Jürgen Klinsmann would be a rather interesting appointment from my point of view - he's good with the medias, very likable, knows the language and the culture, seems to do quite well as manager on the Int. stage and is German not English.
Because Alan Pardew is a massive cunt and not very good.
The clearly addled Glenn Hoddle hasn't had a proper football job in decades, and it seems rather unlikely that the FA would every turn to Redknapp, or that he would accept a role as assistant manager.
I have a suspicion that it might actually be Southgate, with Hoddle in some kind of advisory role. Which would be hilarious, really.
I have no suggestions that make any sense. It's a very well paid, highly prestigious job, but it seems a bit cursed.
Given we've tried old, foreign, experienced, enthusisastic, unethusiastic, friend to the players, disciplinarian, trophies on the CV, no trophies on the CV etc etc, I think the FA might go for a young, "exciting" appointment, and stick a wiser old head next to him. But who? Eddie Howe will be mentioned, but would he want it?
One thing all of the previous managers have in common is failure. It might not be all down to the managers.
I was just going to make that last point. Fulham was Hodgson's level and he should have stayed at that level, but nobody can polish a turd.
Howe with Venables as a short term mentor would be a decent option, but it looks as though Tel is happy doing his Swiss Tony tribute act and running a Spanish soccer school these days. As for whom the FA MIGHT consider, aside from the dark and chilly shadow cast by Allardyce, I bet they will also discuss...Steve Bruce. He's someone who'll get the team organised defensively, he'll cause no trouble at FA HQ, and he already looks like a badly damaged vegetable. Hoo rah!
Oh and the most important appointment England have GOT to make if they ever want to be considered a real powerhouse at International level again is a shrink. Or perhaps an entire ward of psychologists actually.
Watching how a seasoned pro like Rooney became worse than a half-drunk Sunday League player last night or how major talents completely faded and strolled on with their heads hanging down or how your managerial team was a study in apathy, one thing became very clear once again, for one reason of another, when players wear that England Int. jersey they instantly become poorer versions of themselves.
It's quite the opposite when you look at Iceland, they all become immortal warriors without fear, a determined no-nonsense Game of Thrones cast of madmen. No excuses, no heads hanging down. Fight to the end. Etc etc.
It's all in the head.
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Doctor KHL
Watching how a seasoned pro like Rooney became worse than a half-drunk Sunday League player last night or how major talents completely faded and strolled on with their heads hanging down or how your managerial team was a study in apathy, one thing became very clear once again, for one reason of another, when players wear that England Int. jersey they instantly become poorer versions of themselves.
It's quite the opposite when you look at Iceland, they all become immortal warriors without fear, a determined no-nonsense Game of Thrones cast of madmen. No excuses, no heads hanging down. Fight to the end. Etc etc.
It's all in the head.
Your Sincerely,
Doctor KHL
Steve Bruce would be like the most uninspired, unsurprising choice. So yeah, probably him. Or Southgate.
ALL HAIL MEDIOCRITY.
Indeed. The Iceland team contained players who can't get a game for the likes of Cardiff and Charlton piggin' Athletic. So does the Wales side for that matter, though in their case there's more to it than that.
Well they had the shy and retiring Steve Peters, who did just as good a job as when he readied our players for that crucial game away to Palace.
But the weight of expectation, no matter how misplaced, definitely has an impact. The Norn Iron fans, for example, can go to a tournament, expecting very little or nothing at all, boast about how drunk they've got, and then go home again, while the players play out of their skins, relishing every last minute. Good for them. The England players, and fans, go into tournaments knowing that if they don't at least make the semi finals they'll be mocked by what'll feel like most of the civilised world, and Wales, and it only takes one setback to see them all start to fall apart mentally. I'm not sure how you get past that, other than to fluke a few early wins and suddenly grow some self-belief. That's what happened in 1990, definitely - those players were just like past and future ones in the first three games, full of fear, playing badly, but when they suddenly realised they were progressing, they began to look like the players they'd been for their clubs.
It's always been odd. Those English players aren't, individually, any less intelligent, in football terms, than, say, the average Italian player, but whereas the Italian players always look smart playing for their country, the England players, once they get to the national stage, play like idiots.
So we just need a new manager and a new mentality?
Well, just much, much, much lower expectations. Norn Ireland are going back to have a triumphant open top bus parade for going out at the same stage as England. And they'll probably whoop and cheer at England going out at the same stage as them. Down by the ankles of ambition, that's where the craic is!
So we just need a new manager and a new mentality, a few more players and much lower expectations?
Yes, these are the basics, the foundations for future success.
A tournament held in the UK would also probably be preferable too
I think this pretty much sums it up, at least that's more or less how I see it as well. And I am not sure how to exactly address the matter either but if you could perhaps turn focus away from failure - or at least the fear of failure - it would help no end for starters.
You would simply have to teach the players that it is okay to lose, part of the game even - because as it is, as you say, the end of civilization as we know it always near when England is playing. You win, great, you lose, end of the world rhetoric's. And as you can't change the medias, fans etc. over night, you'll have to focus solely on how to cope with that line of expectations withing the team and that could be through an approach where you become okay with losing as long as you know you have done whatever in the world possible to win. Or something like that. I don't know.
Also you will have to somehow make the players trust in themselves again, even when playing for England. Give them something to be proud of and make them want to die for the cause and their teammates. This all sounds dandy but it's no easy feat, but if England does not address this glaring obstacle within their setup Dele Alli, Kane etc., will continue to look bleak and weak when playing for England no matter how great they become for their clubs.
I wouldn't lay blame for that Palace game at Peters' door myself. The previous catastrophe against the Chavs and the gung-ho approach which Rodgers stuck to for grim death are where I'd tend to place it.
Agree otherwise. A friend of mine (female, not a sport fan) once said to me that perhaps there's a basic bolshiness in the English make-up which resists attempts to conscript it, such as an international manager might need to make to foster a team spirit. It's an interesting idea but, if it's true, no change of manager will help.
It's not contempt.
It's just really, really funny seeing England fuck it up again.
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Yes. And a game plan of how to actually setup your team, formation etc. Implement this from the top all the way down to the children.
You also need the right inspired personal, with ideas not identical to whatever old man FA are considering to appoint next from within their own lines.
There's some truth in that
Before you've actually sorted all the other issues first, that would probably be a very bad idea.
Of course not.
Unless you also lay the previous 12 (or whatever it was) must win games we actually won at his feet also. Which would be wrong.
Despite having wanted England to win I've got to be honest and admit that, when Iceland's second goal went in, all I found I could do was laugh.
After having googled the meaning of that word, I agree.
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