Thought that sounded an interesting read so checked amazon, £79 for a used copy?!
Thought that sounded an interesting read so checked amazon, £79 for a used copy?!
Didn't DB undertake this task for us ages ago? Ya know the post that Ross wouldn't respond to? I think Suarez came out on top. Not sure. Maybe someone could find it and save us re doing the math.Yup. I wonder if we look at "game changing goals and assists", Sturridge contribution might come close to Suarez.
Didn't DB undertake this task for us ages ago? Ya know the post that Ross wouldn't respond to? I think Suarez came out on top. Not sure. Maybe someone could find it and save us re doing the math.
Didn't DB undertake this task for us ages ago? Ya know the post that Ross wouldn't respond to? I think Suarez came out on top. Not sure. Maybe someone could find it and save us re doing the math.
And once again Sturridge was mainly ignored in that season.
He was sensational but rarely gets recognised.
His goals in 1-0 victories were far more important than scoring hat tricks against Norwich and the like.
We were top of the league before Suarez came back from his suspension.
Suarez wasn't the main factor but a massive help.
If his enthusiasm and amazing football were the reasons we'd have challenged for the title every season with Suarez.
It's just mainly lazy media fuelled horseshit.
You've contradicted yourself in that second part.You would think but over the course of the season Suarez contributed more goals and assists that directly lead to points than Sturridge.
Suarez was out of this world that season.
Also we were not top when Suarez retuned to the PL, we were 6th 5 points off top with a game in hand.
Suarez was 100% the main factor and not lazy journalism.
Not saying others didn't contribute massively they did but he was the main driving force.
His run of goals and assists after he came back was on Ronaldo and Messi's level for a number of months.
It was truly insanely, stupidly good.
Wasn't just his goals though.. his mere presence and what he contributed to the team was the telling factor in that season. He lifted the whole team. .You've contradicted yourself in that second part.
How can it be 100% Suarez when others contributed massively?
Fair points on the rest.
I never said he wasn't sensational.
He was.
But saying he was 100% the defining factor is rubbish.
Apart from the hat tricks against Cardiff and Norwich I don't remember Suarez scoring that many important goals on the run in.
When we needed them most.
You've contradicted yourself in that second part.
How can it be 100% Suarez when others contributed massively?
Fair points on the rest.
I never said he wasn't sensational.
He was.
But saying he was 100% the defining factor is rubbish.
Apart from the hat tricks against Cardiff and Norwich I don't remember Suarez scoring that many important goals on the run in.
When we needed them most.
I'm not disputing that but saying it's 100% Suarez is just plain wrong and disrespectful to the rest of the team.Wasn't just his goals though.. his mere presence and what he contributed to the team was the telling factor in that season. He lifted the whole team. .
Without him there would of been no title challenge, I think most would agree with that..
I'm not sure you understand what 100% means but whatever.How is that a contradiction I said he was a 100% the main factor, not 100% the only factor.
I guess it depends on your version of run in.
He scored on March 30th against Spurs and was phenomenal getting his 28th pl goal of the season (breaking Fowlers records for a season with 6 games to go and having missed the first 5 games!)
He scored against Norwich away when the title was still in our hands with 4 games to go.
He scored away to Palace when we were trying to hammer our goal difference with 2 games to go.
He also picked up assists in those games too.
Not as prolific as when he first came back into the side but without those early goals we wouldn't have been in a position we were.
And goals aside nobody worked harder than Suarez or did more to lift his teammates around him. His energy levels were insane.
I'm not sure you understand what 100% means but whatever.
All those games he scored in were easy victories and massive team efforts apart from the Palace game when the defence choked it.
My point in the original post still stands that anyone that thinks it was *all* down to Suarez is talking through their hole.
I don't think anyone said that (I certainly didn't) more so that he was the major contributing factor and without him we wouldn't have gotten anywhere near as close as we did.
If I was to list factors that lead us to getting so close to the tile that year in order of importance it would go something like
Suarez
Rodgers
Sturridge
Gerrard
etc.......
So why is everyone saying the sending off of Henderson against Citah the reason we didn't win the league?I don't think anyone said that (I certainly didn't) more so that he was the major contributing factor and without him we wouldn't have gotten anywhere near as close as we did.
If I was to list factors that lead us to getting so close to the tile that year in order of importance it would go something like
Suarez
Rodgers
Sturridge
Gerrard
etc.......
We're still 10th with a squad of players, we know, can play like shit but we needed a change of manager so I'd say I'm happier since it seems we have a brighter future.Well?
Would anyone prefer to have kept Rodgers?
So why is everyone saying the sending off of Henderson against Citah the reason we didn't win the league?
Why?That's a completely different point though than the one we are discussing.
Why?
Henderson gets sent off, we regress and come second. Suarez, doesn't play at the beginning and we're top.
He contributed but it wasn't all him.
We weren't top when Suarez came back and nobody said it was all him, that's just stupid.
What some have said is all the factors that got us that close he was the biggest one.