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Thought that sounded an interesting read so checked amazon, £79 for a used copy?!


That'll be coz it was due to be published last year but Faber pulled it because of the inquest, I think it's being released soon. Those must be review copies or something.
 
Ah, was wondering what we going on, cos there's a few with July 2016 as publication date.

Can I borrow it to read after you (if it's yours to lend out obv)?
 
I've moved on from the sadness that always comes with a managerial departure (because of the failure it represents) and yes, I'm now happy and excited by what could happen next.
 
Yup. I wonder if we look at "game changing goals and assists", Sturridge contribution might come close to Suarez.
Didn't DB undertake this task for us ages ago? Ya know the post that Ross wouldn't respond to? I think Suarez came out on top. Not sure. Maybe someone could find it and save us re doing the math.
 
Didn't DB undertake this task for us ages ago? Ya know the post that Ross wouldn't respond to? I think Suarez came out on top. Not sure. Maybe someone could find it and save us re doing the math.

The "math" ?
 
As in go through every game and check which goals were 'more important'. Doesn't really matter though. What's done is done.
 
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Didn't DB undertake this task for us ages ago? Ya know the post that Ross wouldn't respond to? I think Suarez came out on top. Not sure. Maybe someone could find it and save us re doing the math.

I did and it proved without doubt Suarez's input was far greater than Studge.

Not saying Studge didn't contribute he did and was fantastic but overall Suarez crushed him in terms of goals and assists that directly lead to points.
 
And once again Sturridge was mainly ignored in that season.
He was sensational but rarely gets recognised.
His goals in 1-0 victories were far more important than scoring hat tricks against Norwich and the like.

You would think but over the course of the season Suarez contributed more goals and assists that directly lead to points than Sturridge.

Suarez was out of this world that season.

We were top of the league before Suarez came back from his suspension.
Suarez wasn't the main factor but a massive help.
If his enthusiasm and amazing football were the reasons we'd have challenged for the title every season with Suarez.
It's just mainly lazy media fuelled horseshit.

Also we were not top when Suarez retuned to the PL, we were 6th 5 points off top with a game in hand.

Suarez was 100% the main factor and not lazy journalism.

Not saying others didn't contribute massively they did but he was the main driving force.

His run of goals and assists after he came back was on Ronaldo and Messi's level for a number of months.

It was truly insanely, stupidly good.
 
You would think but over the course of the season Suarez contributed more goals and assists that directly lead to points than Sturridge.

Suarez was out of this world that season.



Also we were not top when Suarez retuned to the PL, we were 6th 5 points off top with a game in hand.

Suarez was 100% the main factor and not lazy journalism.

Not saying others didn't contribute massively they did but he was the main driving force.

His run of goals and assists after he came back was on Ronaldo and Messi's level for a number of months.

It was truly insanely, stupidly good.
You've contradicted yourself in that second part.
How can it be 100% Suarez when others contributed massively?
Fair points on the rest.
I never said he wasn't sensational.
He was.
But saying he was 100% the defining factor is rubbish.
Apart from the hat tricks against Cardiff and Norwich I don't remember Suarez scoring that many important goals on the run in.
When we needed them most.
 
Dig up your old post Pat. I'd like to view it again actually as I've forgotten it.
 
You've contradicted yourself in that second part.
How can it be 100% Suarez when others contributed massively?
Fair points on the rest.
I never said he wasn't sensational.
He was.
But saying he was 100% the defining factor is rubbish.
Apart from the hat tricks against Cardiff and Norwich I don't remember Suarez scoring that many important goals on the run in.
When we needed them most.
Wasn't just his goals though.. his mere presence and what he contributed to the team was the telling factor in that season. He lifted the whole team. .

Without him there would of been no title challenge, I think most would agree with that..
 
You've contradicted yourself in that second part.
How can it be 100% Suarez when others contributed massively?
Fair points on the rest.
I never said he wasn't sensational.
He was.
But saying he was 100% the defining factor is rubbish.
Apart from the hat tricks against Cardiff and Norwich I don't remember Suarez scoring that many important goals on the run in.
When we needed them most.

How is that a contradiction I said he was a 100% the main factor, not 100% the only factor.

I guess it depends on your version of run in.

He scored on March 30th against Spurs and was phenomenal getting his 28th pl goal of the season (breaking Fowlers records for a season with 6 games to go and having missed the first 5 games!)

He scored against Norwich away when the title was still in our hands with 4 games to go.

He scored away to Palace when we were trying to hammer our goal difference with 2 games to go.

He also picked up assists in those games too.

Not as prolific as when he first came back into the side but without those early goals we wouldn't have been in a position we were.

And goals aside nobody worked harder than Suarez or did more to lift his teammates around him. His energy levels were insane.
 
Wasn't just his goals though.. his mere presence and what he contributed to the team was the telling factor in that season. He lifted the whole team. .

Without him there would of been no title challenge, I think most would agree with that..
I'm not disputing that but saying it's 100% Suarez is just plain wrong and disrespectful to the rest of the team.
It's like the old days under Rafa when everyone in the media and opposition fans were calling us a two man team with Gerrard and Torres.
It's just media bollix that opposition fans use as a stick to beat.
 
How is that a contradiction I said he was a 100% the main factor, not 100% the only factor.

I guess it depends on your version of run in.

He scored on March 30th against Spurs and was phenomenal getting his 28th pl goal of the season (breaking Fowlers records for a season with 6 games to go and having missed the first 5 games!)

He scored against Norwich away when the title was still in our hands with 4 games to go.

He scored away to Palace when we were trying to hammer our goal difference with 2 games to go.

He also picked up assists in those games too.

Not as prolific as when he first came back into the side but without those early goals we wouldn't have been in a position we were.

And goals aside nobody worked harder than Suarez or did more to lift his teammates around him. His energy levels were insane.
I'm not sure you understand what 100% means but whatever.
All those games he scored in were easy victories and massive team efforts apart from the Palace game when the defence choked it.
My point in the original post still stands that anyone that thinks it was *all* down to Suarez is talking through their hole.
 
I'm not sure you understand what 100% means but whatever.
All those games he scored in were easy victories and massive team efforts apart from the Palace game when the defence choked it.
My point in the original post still stands that anyone that thinks it was *all* down to Suarez is talking through their hole.

I don't think anyone said that (I certainly didn't) more so that he was the major contributing factor and without him we wouldn't have gotten anywhere near as close as we did.

If I was to list factors that lead us to getting so close to the tile that year in order of importance it would go something like

Suarez
Rodgers
Sturridge
Gerrard
etc.......
 
I don't think anyone said that (I certainly didn't) more so that he was the major contributing factor and without him we wouldn't have gotten anywhere near as close as we did.

If I was to list factors that lead us to getting so close to the tile that year in order of importance it would go something like

Suarez
Rodgers
Sturridge
Gerrard
etc.......


where's mighty red in your list?
 
I don't think anyone said that (I certainly didn't) more so that he was the major contributing factor and without him we wouldn't have gotten anywhere near as close as we did.

If I was to list factors that lead us to getting so close to the tile that year in order of importance it would go something like

Suarez
Rodgers
Sturridge
Gerrard
etc.......
So why is everyone saying the sending off of Henderson against Citah the reason we didn't win the league?
 
I have the "sanguine expectation of happiness that is happiness itself."

Also, I've been listening to Mule Train all day so all is well.

Klippity Klopp over wind and rain!
 
Why?

Henderson gets sent off, we regress and come second. Suarez, doesn't play at the beginning and we're top.

He contributed but it wasn't all him.

We weren't top when Suarez came back and nobody said it was all him, that's just stupid.

What some have said is all the factors that got us that close he was the biggest one.
 
We weren't top when Suarez came back and nobody said it was all him, that's just stupid.

What some have said is all the factors that got us that close he was the biggest one.

He definately was the biggest contributer. Not only the goals, but the high intensity and the Instant fear opposition felt. His presence opened up a lot of room for others. It is a mystery that the Club hadn't planned and covered his departure better. Especially when we saw what happened to Spurs after Bale.
 
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