Anti-Pep backlash

[moron]

Personally I am happy to trade excitement for success and I'm not sure why people are being so prickly when it is said what we are less exciting to watch this season.
Saying we have more control of a game now
shouldn't be taken as a criticism of Klopp no more than saying that we are less gung ho is a criticism of Slot.

Dear @the count

There is one thing worse about exciting football than anything else - especially the Klopp type of exciting football. You know with all that pressing and pressing will eventually mean the players are going to get f*cked, and after all that effort for a whole season - you don't win the top prize, its actually bad for player morale long term and their physical condition. What we had under Klopp except for that season where we won the league and lets not forget most of those league games that season were about control and winning games by one goal. We were on drugs under Klopp - the excitement of the football was akin to being on a high with drugs only you realize when it wears off that you did not win the big prizes. That was the issue we had with Klopp. Slot is playing the football at the moment that is all about control and winning games and taking the sting out of the occasion just like we did at Old Trafford. Under Klopp we drew games that we should not have done, especially to shit like Everton away - I bet Slot tells our boys - don't let the occasion get to you - you play your own game and we come away with a win.

I loved the time under Klopp - but I also got frustrated with him on many occasions. I am not surprised he left last season - the midfielders he bought were too technically gifted to just be pressing and running machines which is what Klopp loves most in midfielders and clearly he lacked appreciation of their technical ability.

MORON

 

[The Nomad]

See I didn't understand the 7 minutes, but I didn't overly think we'd concede either

Dunno whether people have got a touch of PTSD from last season

PTSD from the Karius years.

 

[Hansern]

Clearly shows that he doesn't listen to press conferences before he writes his articles though.

 

[StevieM]

Maybe people are just upset that Trent’s not inverting into midfield and defending well - that’s 2 critical moany items Slots removed from the moany list.

Heaven help us if Mo starts passing and Darwin starts scoring… we’ll be left with moaning that the shirts aren’t the right colour of red.

 

[MomoWASright]

The home shirts are fucking shite.

 

[StevieM]

The home shirts are fucking shite.

That is true…

 

[MyBoyChiesa]

Dear @the count

There is one thing worse about exciting football than anything else - especially the Klopp type of exciting football. You know with all that pressing and pressing will eventually mean the players are going to get f*cked, and after all that effort for a whole season - you don't win the top prize, its actually bad for player morale long term and their physical condition. What we had under Klopp except for that season where we won the league and lets not forget most of those league games that season were about control and winning games by one goal. We were on drugs under Klopp - the excitement of the football was akin to being on a high with drugs only you realize when it wears off that you did not win the big prizes. That was the issue we had with Klopp. Slot is playing the football at the moment that is all about control and winning games and taking the sting out of the occasion just like we did at Old Trafford. Under Klopp we drew games that we should not have done, especially to shit like Everton away - I bet Slot tells our boys - don't let the occasion get to you - you play your own game and we come away with a win.

I loved the time under Klopp - but I also got frustrated with him on many occasions. I am not surprised he left last season - the midfielders he bought were too technically gifted to just be pressing and running machines which is what Klopp loves most in midfielders and clearly he lacked appreciation of their technical ability.

MORON

In my opinion, what you wrote here bespeaks a fundamental lack of understanding of what Jurgen Klopp is all about. As a football manager, Jurgen Kopp has some fantastic, incredible and world-class attributes. None of which you mention or allude to.

And by world-class I mean at the level of or better than Guardiola. That's what world-class football management now is. What Guardiola and Klopp have been doing. Everyone else is playing catch up, or copying things, or trying to come up with a better and more sound tweaks or alternatives.

 

[Woland]

We'll know when we play Arsenal. Everyone apart from Chelsea we've played has been shit.

 

[moron]

In my opinion, what you wrote here bespeaks a fundamental lack of understanding of what Jurgen Klopp is all about. As a football manager, Jurgen Kopp has some fantastic, incredible and world-class attributes. None of which you mention or allude to.

And by world-class I mean at the level of or better than Guardiola. That's what world-class football management now is. What Guardiola and Klopp have been doing. Everyone else is playing catch up, or copying things, or trying to come up with a better and more sound tweaks or alternatives.

It goes without saying that Klopp was world class.. I mean 4 European finals in his time with us , and also building what I thought was the best team in the world. But all managers have flaws, I always got the feeling that he always wanted the full metal football and in the end was caught up in two minds.

 

[doctor_mac]

We clearly don't give the opposition as many chances as we have before, and we have had some very good periods in a number of games– beating United 3-0 at their place should never be taken for granted, but there are elements of our game I don't like either. This repeated weird deliberate movement from secure midfield possession to tippy-tappy stuff at the back to 'lure' opponents onto us is just a bit shite, and has led to near calamity more often than resulting in us turning over our opponents. Chelsea clearly had much more of that game than they did a matter of months ago under Klopp, when we absolutely snotted them. OK, different coach, and they're better now, etc. I still expect us to dominate them at Anfield, and whatever we call that game on Sunday, it wasn't domination. It wasn't even the control Slott is supposedly giving us. We managed the game well, and limited their chances. But that's what I expect of an Everton team at Goodison, not from us. So yes, I'll take success over scintillating footy every week, but I'm not sure if we play like that every week it will equate to success. Hope I'm wrong.

 

[MyBoyChiesa]

But all managers have flaws

I don't know if your statement is true when it comes to all managers. Perhaps there are some managers out there who do not have flaws, or at least who do not have problems when it comes to addressing their flaws once they either realize them or once somebody points them out to them. But I do agree with you that Klopp had a flaw. So that your use of that word in regard to him I do not disagree with. There was a flaw to Klopp's game and to his approach to football. That is true. But Klopp also had some "fantastic, incredible and world-class attributes" (as I wrote above), and those attributes proved to regularly compensate for the flaws that Klopp did have.

ps You appear to be surprisingly capable of a measured discussion aand use of words for someone naming his own self as a MORON. "Flaw" is a very strong word but you did use it appropriately. Even though it is very, very unclear whether Klopp was oblivious and unwilling to address his weaknesses. (Flaw implies permanency, hopelessness and incapacity to address it or tailor it.) He had a flaw in his tactics, that is, but I think he was more than willing to work it out had it been brought to his attention appropriately and reasonably.

the full metal football and in the end was caught up in two minds

With this I totally disagree.