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Erm, can't see him in the advanced role because I don't think he's that sort of player. He's not got an instinct for a killer ball, or to make overlapping runs into the box etc. What I think he's really good at is hustling, and recycling the ball, so I guess if anywhere he'd end up in centre centre mid. If that makes sense.
Erm, can't see him in the advanced role because I don't think he's that sort of player. He's not got an instinct for a killer ball, or to make overlapping runs into the box etc. What I think he's really good at is hustling, and recycling the ball, so I guess if anywhere he'd end up in centre centre mid. If that makes sense.
Groan.
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This kid is the new Lucas imo. Both overplayed in their early career here. But both have a great professional attitude. Henderson is still very very young and his current form even though he can still get things wrong from time to time is a massive endorsement for what Rodgers can do with apparent deadwood! I'd also add downing to that, even though their performances haven't been up to what we'd like them to be, an arm around the shoulder/an ultimatum with this manager seem to bring the best out of certain squad members. Henderson seems fitter, broader and hungrier and I for one have been impressed with him in the last month. There's no reason he shouldn't start against city. I do agree with best believe it though, I think he needs to find that killer ball, but right now he can get away without it. He has the enthusiasm and engine of a box to box midfielder but isnt quite there yet. I do believe he's here for the long haul though, and can learn a lot from Stevie!
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There are a lot of midfielders who you'd find it equally difficult to pigeon-hole, for example Ramires at Chelsea, Yaya Toure at City and so forth. You could basically lump 'em into the category of box-to-box midfielders as they're jack of all trades kinda players (obviously with differing levels of quality).
You could look at Lampard at Chelsea in the last 6 years or so as an example for how a player like Henderson or Shelvey can prosper in a midfield three. There is a player that again you'd be hard pressed to pigeon-hole as he's not what you'd call a stereotypical attacking midfielder yet the system and crucially the players in it afforded him licence to get forward and do what he does.
The problem for both our chaps is that whilst comparisons to Lampard can be made, neither are as good yet and we certainly don't have a rock solid setup like Chelsea did.
Agree with all of that but have highlighted the yet because we're a team in transition and feel us fans should afford the players capable of 'yet' enough time to do so! I think you're spot on though Keni!
Hendo has been used as the visualization of Kenny not having a clue in the transfer market. A young lad coming in and finding his way after a season plus. In the meantime the Rodgers signing, slighty older, are urged to use the time to get used to the system, adjusting to the club etc etc etc.
Agree with that, and it's a better summary than I wrote. I guess the key would be the pivot that Rodgers goes on about and for one reason or another we don't have an effective one at the moment. I would genuinely be interested to see what difference it would make to our team - both in terms of defensive solidarity and shape - if Lucas/Whoever is playing well in that position.
Well, give it another couple of years and Lucas will play his way into some form again.
I think Henderson will be a decent player, but all this bit about he is a young lad coming in, the new Lucas etc etc although true to some extent, remember he was £18m when all said and done, and for that money, we should have been expecting either A) The finished article or B) a massive potential, as I say I think he will be a decent player but not B).
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I've always been critical of Henderson but I think he does belong in an advanced position. For me he always showed a great eye for a pass and some of his first time balls in advanced positions are exquisite. I think people are pigeonholing him because he's athletic and his willingness to prove himself has him running around after the opposition like a mad man.
My biggest gripe with him last year and some of this year was his tendency to be a complete shithouse and go missing altogether. Shying away like a little boy. He's knocked that on the head recently and its great to see.
Long may it continue.
My biggest gripe with him last year and some of this year was his tendency to be a complete shithouse and go missing altogether. Shying away like a little boy. He's knocked that on the head recently and its great to see.
Long may it continue.
This. I love seeing him in an advanced role. It definitely seems to bring out the best in him.
He's playing better but not great. I think we're so used to mediocrity that any bit of passion we're ready to blow our load. Apart from gerrard none of our midfield really excite me. Guess I've been spoilt after having players like alonso and mascherano to find anything our midfield do to be anything more than `meh`. Even benayoun offered more creativity than our current midfield. Only gerrard is truely worthy of being in our midfield. Im hoping they get better in time with experience, but right now they dont excite me.
Yes, eventually I hope he'll develop into a Terry Mac-style midfielder. He'll never reach Terry's brilliant level - few ever have anywhere - but he has all the skills needed to perform a similar role and if his timing proves good enough he has the technique to arrive in and around the box and get some goals.
Yes, I think Henderson will prosper in the years to come. He works hard, has talent and isn't a dick.
Yep. He's not Mario Balotelli.
I don't think those two can be put in the same category. Henderson has a pretty well-rounded game and looks likely to play at the top or nearly top level for the rest of his career. By all accounts he has great work ethic, so it's a sure bet that whatever positive qualities he has now will be improving year after year.
Shelvey has some nice and eye-catching qualities, but also too many gaping holes in his game, and unless he is working like a madman to fix those weaknesses, I'm afraid this will limit his career to the lower-tier of EPL or even Championship. I don't see him making it here or anywhere in the top 6.
Racist.
I like Henderson. He is the perfect player to work with. Doesn't drink, smoke, first person at the training ground, good touch, energetic, decent pace, strenght etc. My only ever concern with Henderson was his self confidence and ambition.
He walked into our team and it infuriated me. He removed Kuyt from our team without earning it. He did nothing to justify his continued inclusion in the team yet remained a starting player for us. Yes, he did come with an inflated price tag but he wasn't ready to set Anfield alight. He was a young lad and should have made a few cameos off the bench and then eased into the team.
Does anyone remember him missing those chances against Stoke in his debut season? I think it was Stoke. He was involved in a one on one and failed to find the back of the net with only a defender on the line to beat and missed the subsequent follow up. I can imagine poor Jordan wishing the ground would open up and swallow him up whole.
His confidence was clearly dented and his price tag weighed him down. He took the easy approach, the simple ball, too scared to move it forward. He shunted it backwards or gave it Gerrard, he drifted through games and it wasn't good enough.
Over the summer he put on mass and increased his strenght. He is a big unit of a lad, add that to his dedication and energy and we have a fine midfield player. His self confidence has slowly crept back to him and he looks a different player. That goal against Arsenal announced that Henderson was now ready to mix it with the big boys. I hope so anyway. Last season he would have held up play til support arrived. Now he has the desire and ambition to make things happen himself. A desire to express himself which was lacking for so long. His celebration showed what it meant to him.
I'm happy to support Henderson all day long. He has age on his side, dedication and ability. Let's hope he continues to express himself and continues to improve.
He walked into our team and it infuriated me. He removed Kuyt from our team without earning it. He did nothing to justify his continued inclusion in the team yet remained a starting player for us. Yes, he did come with an inflated price tag but he wasn't ready to set Anfield alight. He was a young lad and should have made a few cameos off the bench and then eased into the team.
Does anyone remember him missing those chances against Stoke in his debut season? I think it was Stoke. He was involved in a one on one and failed to find the back of the net with only a defender on the line to beat and missed the subsequent follow up. I can imagine poor Jordan wishing the ground would open up and swallow him up whole.
His confidence was clearly dented and his price tag weighed him down. He took the easy approach, the simple ball, too scared to move it forward. He shunted it backwards or gave it Gerrard, he drifted through games and it wasn't good enough.
Over the summer he put on mass and increased his strenght. He is a big unit of a lad, add that to his dedication and energy and we have a fine midfield player. His self confidence has slowly crept back to him and he looks a different player. That goal against Arsenal announced that Henderson was now ready to mix it with the big boys. I hope so anyway. Last season he would have held up play til support arrived. Now he has the desire and ambition to make things happen himself. A desire to express himself which was lacking for so long. His celebration showed what it meant to him.
I'm happy to support Henderson all day long. He has age on his side, dedication and ability. Let's hope he continues to express himself and continues to improve.
No he isn't, it's just that he has stopped looking like a nervous teenager and started to look powerful, his recent form has been one of the few highlights this season and he looks like he might be, along with Suarez, the only player Dalglish got right when he signed him.
I prefer him to Shelvey.
Er, so we agree on one thing then.
He found a bit of form now the Guardian's interviewing him.
Pleased to see his ambition, and loved seeing him enjoy some success recently, but he's got a long way to go.
Pleased to see his ambition, and loved seeing him enjoy some success recently, but he's got a long way to go.
I like Shelvey, I think he's got fire in his belly and I like that, he looks like he gives a fuck, like Jordan. Both are good prospects that could go either way, but as far as commitment and determination goes, there's fewer players I'd like to see make it than those two.
JORDAN HENDERSON EXCLUSIVE: When Liverpool said I could leave, it hurt. But I knew I could turn things around
By IAN LADYMAN
PUBLISHED: 22:59, 1 February 2013 | UPDATED: 01:57, 2 February 2013
What followed - for Liverpool's players at least - was perhaps even more painful. A public dressing down from Brendan Rodgers, a manager clearly losing patience with a team that he believes is not mentally strong enough to cope with football under the microscope.
Some believe Rodgers went too far, that a Liverpool manager should keep criticism in-house, that he has undermined his players.
Video: Scroll down for Henderson interview
Highs and lows: Jordan Henderson has had a roller-coaster ride at Liverpool
This week, Jordan Henderson - who has known criticism well during his 18 months at Anfield - offered a pretty frank response.
'The manager didn't go too far, not at all,' said Liverpool's young midfielder. 'He was dead right. Everyone at this club was shocked and pretty disgusted at how we performed. No disrespect to Oldham but we have to be going there and winning comfortably.
'What he did was good man management and it has given us all the kick up the backside we needed. It has made sure that the focus is on what we need to do. He was right to say what he said and that goes for the whole team and not just certain individuals.'
Henderson's last comment is a reference to the fact that Rodgers made a point of excluding him from criticism in the wake of Liverpool's 3-2 FA Cup defeat to the League One club.
The 22-year-old started the game, though, and is as painfully aware as anybody that Liverpool only really started to play once captain Steven Gerrard arrived with the score at 3-1.
Fighting talk: Henderson says criticism helped him
Rodgers suggested this week that his team are still not ready to cope without Gerrard - a startling admission.
'Stevie and Jamie Carragher are the people to learn from,' said Henderson. 'For the younger lads it's great to have them about. However, the important thing is we learn from our mistakes and don't just rely on them. At the moment we really need Stevie, of course. But we have to stand on our own two feet as well as the club moves forward.'
We meet on Thursday morning, the day after Liverpool's 2-2 Barclays Premier League draw at Arsenal. In an improved Liverpool display, Henderson scored.
A reserved individual, he does not use Twitter or, he claims, read the sports pages of the newspapers. He is still aware of the criticism, though.
Goal: Henderson scored for the second successive Premier League game against Arsenal
He knows his debut season under Kenny Dalglish - when he was largely played out of position on the right - was not particularly well received and that it took until November 25 last year for his current manager to hand him a start in a Premier League game.
Having been offered the chance to move to Fulham in August, he has had quite a journey back for a young player who has now established himself as a regular starter and a scorer of important goals.
'I wasn't playing regularly back in August so they gave me the option to go,' he recalled. 'It wasn't a nice thing to hear. But I just had to take it on the chin. So I said no. I didn't want to go anywhere. I came to Liverpool wanting to stay here for the rest of my career. I certainly didn't want to leave after a year.
'OK, it might not have gone to plan at the start, but I knew it could turn around and I could get it right. Here you have people like Stevie and Luis Suarez and Pepe Reina and Carra, who have been the best players for many years.
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'You have to go in and straight away try to match their ability. You need to learn to perform like they perform and that is a hard thing to do immediately. It's a step up and a challenge and for a good while I couldn't really do it.
'But this season the gaffer told me what he wanted from me, what I needed to improve, and I took it on board. He said I had to be better tactically, for example. He's been brilliant, to be fair, the advice he's given me.'
Taller than you may imagine - he is just over 6ft - Henderson is phlegmatic and seemingly untroubled by his up-and-down time at Anfield. Maybe his background explains it, for he was almost released from his first club Sunderland after suffering from a shin and knee condition called Osgood Schlatter disease at the age of 16.
The son of a police officer and a fitness instructor, Henderson had an early love for racket sports. He is handy at badminton and table tennis.
'We haven't got a table here but we need to get one,' he smiled. '(Daniel) Sturridge fancies himself and he's decent but I could take him.'
England: Henderson made two substitute appearances at Euro 2012
He remains close to his parents and his friends at home in the North East. His accent remains strong but so does his resolve.
Reminded that the famous footballing philosopher Joey Barton - he of one England cap - questioned his international credentials on Twitter during Euro 2012 last summer, he didn't flinch.
'It's something Joey likes to do,' he said. 'He doesn't like to play by the rules does he? That's his opinion. It doesn't bother me. I don't know him and I won't let that affect me.
'I haven't really been tempted by Twitter so I don't see half the stuff other people say. Maybe one of my friends might say, "Have you heard what they're saying about you?"
'But it's probably affected my mam and dad more than me, to be honest. Like all parents, I doubt they've enjoyed seeing their son criticised. At times things might be harsh but it makes you a better person. It makes you tougher, mentally stronger, and I don't think it will have done me any harm going through it.
'I think I might have needed it, to be honest. I just feel if I keep working hard, and pushing on, I might not get as much criticism in the future.'
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2272208/JORDAN-HENDERSON-When-Liverpool-said-I-leave-hurt-But-I-knew-I-turn-things-around.html#ixzz2Jjrb0Kyz
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By IAN LADYMAN
PUBLISHED: 22:59, 1 February 2013 | UPDATED: 01:57, 2 February 2013
What followed - for Liverpool's players at least - was perhaps even more painful. A public dressing down from Brendan Rodgers, a manager clearly losing patience with a team that he believes is not mentally strong enough to cope with football under the microscope.
Some believe Rodgers went too far, that a Liverpool manager should keep criticism in-house, that he has undermined his players.
Video: Scroll down for Henderson interview
Highs and lows: Jordan Henderson has had a roller-coaster ride at Liverpool
This week, Jordan Henderson - who has known criticism well during his 18 months at Anfield - offered a pretty frank response.
'The manager didn't go too far, not at all,' said Liverpool's young midfielder. 'He was dead right. Everyone at this club was shocked and pretty disgusted at how we performed. No disrespect to Oldham but we have to be going there and winning comfortably.
'What he did was good man management and it has given us all the kick up the backside we needed. It has made sure that the focus is on what we need to do. He was right to say what he said and that goes for the whole team and not just certain individuals.'
Henderson's last comment is a reference to the fact that Rodgers made a point of excluding him from criticism in the wake of Liverpool's 3-2 FA Cup defeat to the League One club.
The 22-year-old started the game, though, and is as painfully aware as anybody that Liverpool only really started to play once captain Steven Gerrard arrived with the score at 3-1.
Fighting talk: Henderson says criticism helped him
Rodgers suggested this week that his team are still not ready to cope without Gerrard - a startling admission.
'Stevie and Jamie Carragher are the people to learn from,' said Henderson. 'For the younger lads it's great to have them about. However, the important thing is we learn from our mistakes and don't just rely on them. At the moment we really need Stevie, of course. But we have to stand on our own two feet as well as the club moves forward.'
We meet on Thursday morning, the day after Liverpool's 2-2 Barclays Premier League draw at Arsenal. In an improved Liverpool display, Henderson scored.
A reserved individual, he does not use Twitter or, he claims, read the sports pages of the newspapers. He is still aware of the criticism, though.
Goal: Henderson scored for the second successive Premier League game against Arsenal
He knows his debut season under Kenny Dalglish - when he was largely played out of position on the right - was not particularly well received and that it took until November 25 last year for his current manager to hand him a start in a Premier League game.
Having been offered the chance to move to Fulham in August, he has had quite a journey back for a young player who has now established himself as a regular starter and a scorer of important goals.
'I wasn't playing regularly back in August so they gave me the option to go,' he recalled. 'It wasn't a nice thing to hear. But I just had to take it on the chin. So I said no. I didn't want to go anywhere. I came to Liverpool wanting to stay here for the rest of my career. I certainly didn't want to leave after a year.
'OK, it might not have gone to plan at the start, but I knew it could turn around and I could get it right. Here you have people like Stevie and Luis Suarez and Pepe Reina and Carra, who have been the best players for many years.
Video: Sportsmail meets Henderson
Play Video
'You have to go in and straight away try to match their ability. You need to learn to perform like they perform and that is a hard thing to do immediately. It's a step up and a challenge and for a good while I couldn't really do it.
'But this season the gaffer told me what he wanted from me, what I needed to improve, and I took it on board. He said I had to be better tactically, for example. He's been brilliant, to be fair, the advice he's given me.'
Taller than you may imagine - he is just over 6ft - Henderson is phlegmatic and seemingly untroubled by his up-and-down time at Anfield. Maybe his background explains it, for he was almost released from his first club Sunderland after suffering from a shin and knee condition called Osgood Schlatter disease at the age of 16.
The son of a police officer and a fitness instructor, Henderson had an early love for racket sports. He is handy at badminton and table tennis.
'We haven't got a table here but we need to get one,' he smiled. '(Daniel) Sturridge fancies himself and he's decent but I could take him.'
England: Henderson made two substitute appearances at Euro 2012
He remains close to his parents and his friends at home in the North East. His accent remains strong but so does his resolve.
Reminded that the famous footballing philosopher Joey Barton - he of one England cap - questioned his international credentials on Twitter during Euro 2012 last summer, he didn't flinch.
'It's something Joey likes to do,' he said. 'He doesn't like to play by the rules does he? That's his opinion. It doesn't bother me. I don't know him and I won't let that affect me.
'I haven't really been tempted by Twitter so I don't see half the stuff other people say. Maybe one of my friends might say, "Have you heard what they're saying about you?"
'But it's probably affected my mam and dad more than me, to be honest. Like all parents, I doubt they've enjoyed seeing their son criticised. At times things might be harsh but it makes you a better person. It makes you tougher, mentally stronger, and I don't think it will have done me any harm going through it.
'I think I might have needed it, to be honest. I just feel if I keep working hard, and pushing on, I might not get as much criticism in the future.'
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2272208/JORDAN-HENDERSON-When-Liverpool-said-I-leave-hurt-But-I-knew-I-turn-things-around.html#ixzz2Jjrb0Kyz
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