He might turn out to be a good player RA, but we can't expect him to turn into a player with different attributes to his own.
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He might turn out to be a good player RA, but we can't expect him to turn into a player with different attributes to his own.
When we bought him we knew he was far from the finished article, we were buying a potentially very good young English player, we paid good money.
That as it stands all still holds true.
As was said at the time he was a young relatively inexperienced under 21 international prided away from home and parachuted into a club with huge expectations at a time of great change.
The more cerebral posters took these mitigating factors into account.
I suppose you could look at a similar parallel to Lucas, who took some years to convince the doubters, of whom I still remain convincing completely. Both got on with it and took the knocks in their stride
Henderson is making significant progress this season, and there are increasing signs he will justify the not insignificant outlay for potential.
Others who know the game better than us, saw it.
I think Henderson could end up being Lampard or Gerrard in the National team, if he will be as good as either maybe is doubtful and in the lap of the Gods, he may lack some of Gerrard's natural ability but he seems intelligent and willing to learn, but he could be a great player for us for years if he keeps up this progress and nails a regular place in the team.
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That as it stands all still holds true.
As was said at the time he was a young relatively inexperienced under 21 international prided away from home and parachuted into a club with huge expectations at a time of great change.
The more cerebral posters took these mitigating factors into account.
I suppose you could look at a similar parallel to Lucas, who took some years to convince the doubters, of whom I still remain convincing completely. Both got on with it and took the knocks in their stride
Henderson is making significant progress this season, and there are increasing signs he will justify the not insignificant outlay for potential.
Others who know the game better than us, saw it.
I think Henderson could end up being Lampard or Gerrard in the National team, if he will be as good as either maybe is doubtful and in the lap of the Gods, he may lack some of Gerrard's natural ability but he seems intelligent and willing to learn, but he could be a great player for us for years if he keeps up this progress and nails a regular place in the team.
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Henderson gives me faith that Ryan will be right about Allen ...
Last year, it was tough to judge him. A team with high expectations and struggling, playing in an unfamiliar position the whole season and people expecting a 16 million player to produce what he wasn't producing.
I think his attitude is top notch, and it's obvious he's taken Rodgers' stance that he's surplus to requirements as a challenge. I don't know what level he'll reach - and I can't compare him to Lampard etc b/c I don't remember how they were doing at this age, nor if the situations were similar - but if he continues on this curve, and is as dedicated (last one at practice, shuts up and just works), I can see him being an important cog in our team. The talent is there.
Last year, it was tough to judge him. A team with high expectations and struggling, playing in an unfamiliar position the whole season and people expecting a 16 million player to produce what he wasn't producing.
I think his attitude is top notch, and it's obvious he's taken Rodgers' stance that he's surplus to requirements as a challenge. I don't know what level he'll reach - and I can't compare him to Lampard etc b/c I don't remember how they were doing at this age, nor if the situations were similar - but if he continues on this curve, and is as dedicated (last one at practice, shuts up and just works), I can see him being an important cog in our team. The talent is there.
Tbh there have been times when Hendo's really frustrated me, as he can seem such a bland player and character, but I've always defended the signing to some extent, in that if all a club's signings only ever represented the same value (good solid squad player able to offer ~12 years' service) then you wouldn't go far wrong.
His main problem to now has been his lack of character, but I think he's starting ro overcome that a bit, so things look fairly positive at the moment. Personally I think in the longer term at least one of the younger lads will go on to supersede him, but he'll still be a good option.
His main problem to now has been his lack of character, but I think he's starting ro overcome that a bit, so things look fairly positive at the moment. Personally I think in the longer term at least one of the younger lads will go on to supersede him, but he'll still be a good option.
Ive said from day one he'll be a great footballer, and he will be. At the moment, hes a fantastic squad option, he deserves his run of games at the moment, he'll only get better, what he "lacks" in natural skill, he more than makes up in graft and determination, two attributes which are just as, if not more important.
Mate, have I been wrong in recent times??
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i''ll be honest , i don't really give a shite about semi decent performances at home against crap teams . That's the minimum , you play for liverpool so it should be expected . I'll take more notice of henderson when he starts doing it against proper teams and in tough away games .
I still remain unconvinced that he has the bottle for it .
I still remain unconvinced that he has the bottle for it .
I dunno but considering that he was cheaper than Dossena and has been pretty good this season, I'm guessing that you were kinda wrong about him, Ryan.
No cheaper, he was cheap and quality. There's no comparing Enrique and Dossena skill wise. Jose is miles better. So yes I still think you are wrong about Enrique and if you can use time as an argument for Allen, it seems weird that you dont have any time for Jose
He's been better than alright Ryan, give him that.
Ha, that's some detective Columbo shit right there!
Good searching Sheik. We'll see...
Ryan Enrique after coming back from injury at the start of the season has been nothing short of superb.
He's been in the top 2/3 performers in last 8 games he played before getting injured.
He's been in the top 2/3 performers in last 8 games he played before getting injured.
He was wildly inconsistent in his first full year with us, and that's being generous. The second half of his year was deplorable.
This year he started off by sitting on the bench, and stayed there whilst a right back played at left back ahead of him. He ended up getting some games at left-wing due to our complete lack of other options, and then got shunted back to left-back for a few games when he showed some promise before getting injured.
That's the facts. It's a fairly mixed bag for an 8M player at the peak of his career, who's been playing in England for about 6 years now You think that amounts to "nothing short of superb". I'll stick with my opinion.
Enrique was fucking shite from pre season until December, he had a few good games not playing at left back the position at which he was signed for then got injured. I don't think anyone has been proved wrong if they said they didn't want him or didn't rate him way back before we bought him.
Let's be honest Downing has almost had as many good games as Enrique recently - form, class and all that.
Let's be honest Downing has almost had as many good games as Enrique recently - form, class and all that.
Actually I think you'll find it had a superb start to his first season and went backwards in the 2nd half of the season.
Downing while being decent has been nowhere near the level Enrique was before his injury and he played a fair few games at LB during that spell too if you care to check.
I mean yeah whatever, sure. You've hardly destroyed my point though have you?
how many games has he been 'superb' in this season?
He cost buttons (£7m is hardly bank busting in this day and age) and has been, overall a pretty good signing, even if he only ends up being a short term player. He started his career with us in great form, played too many games and hit a brick wall. He then had injuries which disrupted him getting a shot at the first team. By all accounts, Rodgers had his reservations but Enrique worked hard to get back to his initial form and won him over. The Downing comparison isn't really reasonable nor true unless you want to throw perspective out the window - Downing cost three times as much and despite an upturn in form of late, has very rarely hit the standards that Enrique has in his best games for us. People have short memories. Has he been consistently brilliant? No, but for about half the time he's been here he's looked an excellent bit of business whatever role he's had to play (I don't see why position is a stick to beat him with).
Modo's point was valid, even if he did struggle to express it well, writing him off because of what he's done in the past and continuing to do so isn't really acknowledging the facts about what he's done for us. He hasn't been "poor", he had a poor spell and then got injured and struggled to get back in the side, when he has figured for a significant spell he's been a success. Of course, selective reasoning would say that 'he's been playing at a shite level for 6 years in England and had a dodgy spell for us, so ergo I'm right". A touch of perspective and a dose of reality would say he cost us £7m(!!) and has been a relatively good buy whom, when at his best has looked top draw. Consistent? Maybe not in terms of his overall career with us, but when he gets in the side, the two long runs he has had have been productive and of a high standard.
What the fuck him being in England 6yrs and getting relegated once for one whole season has to do with anything is beyond me. He was excellent for Newcastle before we signed him. Steve Finnan didn't start getting the plaudits until two seasons before we signed him after playing for a similarly midtable club and fighting relegation, he didn't get his big move until he was 27 after playing in the Premiership for 6 years and gradually developing into a good fullback. Enrique was always a good prospect, like Finnan, he's been a good buy overall and certainly not the disaster Ryan made out, nor as poor overall as others have said. When he's figured consistently he's done well, aside from a dip in form at the back end of last season.
All this self championing bollocks is fucking sad, unless you throw some perspective into the mix then it all becomes a bit selective and relative. And at the end of the day, who really gives a flying fuck?
Modo's point was valid, even if he did struggle to express it well, writing him off because of what he's done in the past and continuing to do so isn't really acknowledging the facts about what he's done for us. He hasn't been "poor", he had a poor spell and then got injured and struggled to get back in the side, when he has figured for a significant spell he's been a success. Of course, selective reasoning would say that 'he's been playing at a shite level for 6 years in England and had a dodgy spell for us, so ergo I'm right". A touch of perspective and a dose of reality would say he cost us £7m(!!) and has been a relatively good buy whom, when at his best has looked top draw. Consistent? Maybe not in terms of his overall career with us, but when he gets in the side, the two long runs he has had have been productive and of a high standard.
What the fuck him being in England 6yrs and getting relegated once for one whole season has to do with anything is beyond me. He was excellent for Newcastle before we signed him. Steve Finnan didn't start getting the plaudits until two seasons before we signed him after playing for a similarly midtable club and fighting relegation, he didn't get his big move until he was 27 after playing in the Premiership for 6 years and gradually developing into a good fullback. Enrique was always a good prospect, like Finnan, he's been a good buy overall and certainly not the disaster Ryan made out, nor as poor overall as others have said. When he's figured consistently he's done well, aside from a dip in form at the back end of last season.
All this self championing bollocks is fucking sad, unless you throw some perspective into the mix then it all becomes a bit selective and relative. And at the end of the day, who really gives a flying fuck?
You did call him a 'chump' though Ryan. I believe you also referred to him as a championship player on several occasions.
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