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We need more than one decent recognised striker, and you or anyone else that says otherwise is talking out of their fucking arses.
There are so many fucking clever smug fucking cocks on here, that think they know the game, but in reality know fuck all it's really not worth the effort
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There are so many fucking clever smug fucking cocks on here, that think they know the game, but in reality know fuck all it's really not worth the effort
bye
oh and regards
regards
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=39859.msg1090110#msg1090110 date=1271690632]
We need more than one decent recognised striker, and you or anyone else that says otherwise is talking out of their fucking arses.
There are so many fucking clever smug fucking cocks on here, that think they know the game, but in reality know fuck all it's really not worth the effort
bye
oh and regards
regards
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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!
We need more than one decent recognised striker, and you or anyone else that says otherwise is talking out of their fucking arses.
There are so many fucking clever smug fucking cocks on here, that think they know the game, but in reality know fuck all it's really not worth the effort
bye
oh and regards
regards
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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=39859.msg1090110#msg1090110 date=1271690632]
We need more than one decent recognised striker, and you or anyone else that says otherwise is talking out of their fucking arses.
There are so many fucking clever smug fucking cocks on here, that think they know the game, but in reality know fuck all it's really not worth the effort
bye
oh and regards
regards
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Is that aimed at me? If so, what did I say to deserve such vitriol? Is no one allowed to disagree with you now?
We need more than one decent recognised striker, and you or anyone else that says otherwise is talking out of their fucking arses.
There are so many fucking clever smug fucking cocks on here, that think they know the game, but in reality know fuck all it's really not worth the effort
bye
oh and regards
regards
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Is that aimed at me? If so, what did I say to deserve such vitriol? Is no one allowed to disagree with you now?
[quote author=keniget link=topic=39859.msg1090106#msg1090106 date=1271690359]
So, are you saying that no matter what player we get for the left, he would do nothing to alter our attack and enable us to cope without a top class striker up front?
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But why should we HAVE to cope without a class striker up front. There's the crux of the issue for me. Both would be nice of course (good LW and class striker) but, for me, a striker is priority.
So, are you saying that no matter what player we get for the left, he would do nothing to alter our attack and enable us to cope without a top class striker up front?
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But why should we HAVE to cope without a class striker up front. There's the crux of the issue for me. Both would be nice of course (good LW and class striker) but, for me, a striker is priority.
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=39859.msg1090121#msg1090121 date=1271692374]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=39859.msg1090106#msg1090106 date=1271690359]
So, are you saying that no matter what player we get for the left, he would do nothing to alter our attack and enable us to cope without a top class striker up front?
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But why should we HAVE to cope without a class striker up front. There's the crux of the issue for me. Both would be nice of course (good LW and class striker) but, for me, a striker is priority.
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Everyone agrees that we need a new striker (and we've already signed one in Jovovic) and everyone agrees that we need a new left flank buying in.
What does saying "a striker is priority #1" mean anyway? Does it mean that you all feel that we can get by next season without a new LB / LW as long as a new striker is brought in? Or is it just petty squabbling about what gets to be top of the list?
If it's the latter, throwing childish strops about it is a bit embarrassing, wouldn't you agree?
[quote author=keniget link=topic=39859.msg1090106#msg1090106 date=1271690359]
So, are you saying that no matter what player we get for the left, he would do nothing to alter our attack and enable us to cope without a top class striker up front?
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But why should we HAVE to cope without a class striker up front. There's the crux of the issue for me. Both would be nice of course (good LW and class striker) but, for me, a striker is priority.
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Everyone agrees that we need a new striker (and we've already signed one in Jovovic) and everyone agrees that we need a new left flank buying in.
What does saying "a striker is priority #1" mean anyway? Does it mean that you all feel that we can get by next season without a new LB / LW as long as a new striker is brought in? Or is it just petty squabbling about what gets to be top of the list?
If it's the latter, throwing childish strops about it is a bit embarrassing, wouldn't you agree?
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[quote author=Sunny link=topic=39859.msg1090121#msg1090121 date=1271692374]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=39859.msg1090106#msg1090106 date=1271690359]
So, are you saying that no matter what player we get for the left, he would do nothing to alter our attack and enable us to cope without a top class striker up front?
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But why should we HAVE to cope without a class striker up front. There's the crux of the issue for me. Both would be nice of course (good LW and class striker) but, for me, a striker is priority.
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Everyone agrees that we need a new striker (and we've already signed one in Jovovic) and everyone agrees that we need a new left flank buying in.
What does saying "a striker is priority #1" mean anyway? Does it mean that you all feel that we can get by next season without a new LB / LW as long as a new striker is brought in? Or is it just petty squabbling about what gets to be top of the list?
If it's the latter, throwing childish strops about it is a bit embarrassing, wouldn't you agree?
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It means it's the most important thing Keni. I don't believe Jovanovic is an out and out striker/goalscorer which is what we need to supplement/cover Torres. Not sure he's even signed yet.
I don't deny other areas need strengthening - I agree with that. All I'm saying is that cover up front is more pressing. We're completely toothless without Torres. I'm not squabbling - just saying where we have greatest need IMO. We're going to have a limited transfer kitty again this year as far as I can see so we need to spend it where the need is greatest.
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=39859.msg1090121#msg1090121 date=1271692374]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=39859.msg1090106#msg1090106 date=1271690359]
So, are you saying that no matter what player we get for the left, he would do nothing to alter our attack and enable us to cope without a top class striker up front?
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But why should we HAVE to cope without a class striker up front. There's the crux of the issue for me. Both would be nice of course (good LW and class striker) but, for me, a striker is priority.
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Everyone agrees that we need a new striker (and we've already signed one in Jovovic) and everyone agrees that we need a new left flank buying in.
What does saying "a striker is priority #1" mean anyway? Does it mean that you all feel that we can get by next season without a new LB / LW as long as a new striker is brought in? Or is it just petty squabbling about what gets to be top of the list?
If it's the latter, throwing childish strops about it is a bit embarrassing, wouldn't you agree?
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It means it's the most important thing Keni. I don't believe Jovanovic is an out and out striker/goalscorer which is what we need to supplement/cover Torres. Not sure he's even signed yet.
I don't deny other areas need strengthening - I agree with that. All I'm saying is that cover up front is more pressing. We're completely toothless without Torres. I'm not squabbling - just saying where we have greatest need IMO. We're going to have a limited transfer kitty again this year as far as I can see so we need to spend it where the need is greatest.
Well, irrespective of who our strikers are next season - IMO if we start with Insua at LB for most games, we won't finish in the top 4.
Not talking about you Sunny.
Anyways, we'll see what happens. I think we need a lot of positions filled and it's not as cut and dry as to say football is about putting the ball in the onion bag, so we need more strikers and that's that.
Last season Torres started 20 games and scored 14 goals. This season he started 20 games and scored 18 goals.
Last season we finished with 86 points. This season we'll be lucky to finish on 66 points.
Anyways, we'll see what happens. I think we need a lot of positions filled and it's not as cut and dry as to say football is about putting the ball in the onion bag, so we need more strikers and that's that.
Last season Torres started 20 games and scored 14 goals. This season he started 20 games and scored 18 goals.
Last season we finished with 86 points. This season we'll be lucky to finish on 66 points.
And people are using Man Utd as a model of attacking wide players scoring. How many goals have their attacking wide players scored ?
Valencia - 5
Giggs - 2
Park - 2
The fact is almost 50% of their goals in the PL have come from their two strikers. The percentage of our goals scored is from wide attacking players is probably higher. But we've scored about 20 goals less than Man U this year and that's because we've missed Torres and we have no striking cover.
Valencia - 5
Giggs - 2
Park - 2
The fact is almost 50% of their goals in the PL have come from their two strikers. The percentage of our goals scored is from wide attacking players is probably higher. But we've scored about 20 goals less than Man U this year and that's because we've missed Torres and we have no striking cover.
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=39859.msg1090142#msg1090142 date=1271693668]
On a separate note. I think we'd have done better this year if Kuyt had played up front and not Ngog but thats a different argument I know
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i think we'd have done better if we adapted our formation to suit the squad
On a separate note. I think we'd have done better this year if Kuyt had played up front and not Ngog but thats a different argument I know
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i think we'd have done better if we adapted our formation to suit the squad
I think the point is, even though he may be out for large swathes of the season, we have at least got one world class striker, one half decent striker, and one young and inexperienced striker.
We have only Emiliano Insua at left back, and whilst everybody agrees that scoring goals is a critically important part of winning games and without Fernando we look completely toothless, it's also true that not conceding goals helps as well, and we look exceedingly vulnerable when he's on the pitch.
The sad truth is there isn't *one* top priority position to fill in our team, there's three minimum.
We better find somebody particularly rich and generous this summer, else we're fucked
We have only Emiliano Insua at left back, and whilst everybody agrees that scoring goals is a critically important part of winning games and without Fernando we look completely toothless, it's also true that not conceding goals helps as well, and we look exceedingly vulnerable when he's on the pitch.
The sad truth is there isn't *one* top priority position to fill in our team, there's three minimum.
We better find somebody particularly rich and generous this summer, else we're fucked
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=39859.msg1090141#msg1090141 date=1271693591]
And people are using Man Utd as a model of attacking wide players scoring. How many goals have their attacking wide players scored ?
Valencia - 5
Giggs - 2
Park - 2
The fact is almost 50% of their goals in the PL have come from their two strikers. The percentage of our goals scored is from wide attacking players is probably higher. But we've scored about 20 goals less than Man U this year and that's because we've missed Torres and we have no striking cover.
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There is no disputing we've missed Torres as they have missed Rooney when he's been out, but look at it like this:
Rooney has 26 goals in the league and Berbatov has 12, whereas Torres has 18 goals and Gerrard has 7 (with Kuyt at 9, who has had the odd stint up front as well). There isn't a massive difference there.
The main difference between us and them this season has been an ability to score away from home and after watching one terrible team performance after another, one can only conclude the problems lie deeper than simply having a good striker on hand. And to underline that, of the 9 league away games Torres has played in this season, we've only won 2.
And people are using Man Utd as a model of attacking wide players scoring. How many goals have their attacking wide players scored ?
Valencia - 5
Giggs - 2
Park - 2
The fact is almost 50% of their goals in the PL have come from their two strikers. The percentage of our goals scored is from wide attacking players is probably higher. But we've scored about 20 goals less than Man U this year and that's because we've missed Torres and we have no striking cover.
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There is no disputing we've missed Torres as they have missed Rooney when he's been out, but look at it like this:
Rooney has 26 goals in the league and Berbatov has 12, whereas Torres has 18 goals and Gerrard has 7 (with Kuyt at 9, who has had the odd stint up front as well). There isn't a massive difference there.
The main difference between us and them this season has been an ability to score away from home and after watching one terrible team performance after another, one can only conclude the problems lie deeper than simply having a good striker on hand. And to underline that, of the 9 league away games Torres has played in this season, we've only won 2.
Yeah, our away form has been THE single most obvious problem this season.
[quote author=Fabio Alrighty-o link=topic=39859.msg1090144#msg1090144 date=1271693833]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=39859.msg1090142#msg1090142 date=1271693668]
On a separate note. I think we'd have done better this year if Kuyt had played up front and not Ngog but thats a different argument I know
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i think we'd have done better if we adapted our formation to suit the squad
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Perhaps, but even with the 4-2-3-1 setup I reckon we'd have done better if we'd slipped the team's collective leash and let them play. Look what they did to Benfica (and to Sunderland before that) when they went out and enjoyed themselves.
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=39859.msg1090142#msg1090142 date=1271693668]
On a separate note. I think we'd have done better this year if Kuyt had played up front and not Ngog but thats a different argument I know
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i think we'd have done better if we adapted our formation to suit the squad
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Perhaps, but even with the 4-2-3-1 setup I reckon we'd have done better if we'd slipped the team's collective leash and let them play. Look what they did to Benfica (and to Sunderland before that) when they went out and enjoyed themselves.
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[quote author=singlerider link=topic=39859.msg1090145#msg1090145 date=1271694052]
I think the point is, even though he may be out for large swathes of the season, we have at least got one world class striker, one half decent striker, and one young and inexperienced striker.
We have only Emiliano Insua at left back, and whilst everybody agrees that scoring goals is a critically important part of winning games and without Fernando we look completely toothless, it's also true that not conceding goals helps as well, and we look exceedingly vulnerable when he's on the pitch.
The sad truth is there isn't *one* top priority position to fill in our team, there's three minimum.
We better find somebody particularly rich and generous this summer, else we're fucked
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Pretty much.
The thread could be locked after that.
I think the point is, even though he may be out for large swathes of the season, we have at least got one world class striker, one half decent striker, and one young and inexperienced striker.
We have only Emiliano Insua at left back, and whilst everybody agrees that scoring goals is a critically important part of winning games and without Fernando we look completely toothless, it's also true that not conceding goals helps as well, and we look exceedingly vulnerable when he's on the pitch.
The sad truth is there isn't *one* top priority position to fill in our team, there's three minimum.
We better find somebody particularly rich and generous this summer, else we're fucked
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Pretty much.
The thread could be locked after that.
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39859.msg1090150#msg1090150 date=1271694410]
Yeah, our away form has been THE single most obvious problem this season.
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Ha! Quick edit there.
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=39859.msg1090145#msg1090145 date=1271694052]
The sad truth is there isn't *one* top priority position to fill in our team, there's three minimum.
We better find somebody particularly rich and generous this summer, else we're fucked
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Very true.
Yeah, our away form has been THE single most obvious problem this season.
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Ha! Quick edit there.
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=39859.msg1090145#msg1090145 date=1271694052]
The sad truth is there isn't *one* top priority position to fill in our team, there's three minimum.
We better find somebody particularly rich and generous this summer, else we're fucked
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Very true.
Only three? As if.
We need a striker, a left-back, a central midfielder and an attacking player who can play on the left and score goals.
As a bare minimum
We need a striker, a left-back, a central midfielder and an attacking player who can play on the left and score goals.
As a bare minimum
So, in summary, we can probably all agree that buying Gary Cahill for £15m should not be our top transfer priority.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=39859.msg1090146#msg1090146 date=1271694079]
And to underline that, of the 9 league away games Torres has played in this season, we've only won 2.
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that's shocking. we've conceded too many sloopy goals.
And to underline that, of the 9 league away games Torres has played in this season, we've only won 2.
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that's shocking. we've conceded too many sloopy goals.
Rafa might buy him for £15m, stick him on the bench then moan to the press that he hasn't had the funds to compete.
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39859.msg1090198#msg1090198 date=1271701886]
Rafa might buy him for £15m, stick him on the bench then moan to the press that he hasn't had the funds to compete.
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He's a defender, so no, he wouldn't.
Arsenal may be in for him, it seems.
Rafa might buy him for £15m, stick him on the bench then moan to the press that he hasn't had the funds to compete.
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He's a defender, so no, he wouldn't.
Arsenal may be in for him, it seems.
We desperately need a striker to play 4-4-2 with or to cover for the super injury prone one we already have.
I agree with Vlad and Sunny almost entirely.
When Torres is out the whole forum heaves a massive sigh/groan. Thats because we all know we have little chance of winning without him in the team.
United - Rooney, Berbatov, Owen, Macheda
Chelsea - Drogba, Anelka, Kalou, Sturridge
Arsenal - Van Persie, Bendtner, Eduardo
Tottenham - Crouch, Defoe, Pavyluchenko, Gudjohnson
Aston Villa - Carew, Heskey, Agbonlahor, Delphonso
Manchester City - Bellamy, Santa cruz, Adebayor, Tevez
Liverpool - Torres, Ngog.
We may have the best first choice striker in the world, but every other team in the top 7 can lose THREE strikers before they get to their average youth player.
We have Torres.....then its N'gog.
We need a striker more than any other position.
I agree with Vlad and Sunny almost entirely.
When Torres is out the whole forum heaves a massive sigh/groan. Thats because we all know we have little chance of winning without him in the team.
United - Rooney, Berbatov, Owen, Macheda
Chelsea - Drogba, Anelka, Kalou, Sturridge
Arsenal - Van Persie, Bendtner, Eduardo
Tottenham - Crouch, Defoe, Pavyluchenko, Gudjohnson
Aston Villa - Carew, Heskey, Agbonlahor, Delphonso
Manchester City - Bellamy, Santa cruz, Adebayor, Tevez
Liverpool - Torres, Ngog.
We may have the best first choice striker in the world, but every other team in the top 7 can lose THREE strikers before they get to their average youth player.
We have Torres.....then its N'gog.
We need a striker more than any other position.
So Kuyt isn't a striker?
Anyway, try listing the left-backs and left-wingers of those seven clubs and see how it looks. No one is denying we need a striker.
Anyway, try listing the left-backs and left-wingers of those seven clubs and see how it looks. No one is denying we need a striker.
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