Andy Carroll In Danger Yo !

[Mamma Mia]

We haven't see the rest of what we're buying yet, what if we by a player that's more of an attacking wide man, ala Ramirez (for example).

What if we buy Dempsey and Borini? What if we are buying an attacking wide man too? What if 5 players are not enough for 3 positions?

I thought there was not much room for guessing?

Again, I'm not saying that there's no chance we would cash in on a good offer, or that Rodgers doesn't already think that selling Andy would be a good option.
I just think that all this "it's so obvious" stuff is based on very little at all.

I used to get frustrated during silly season in Koptalk days. Since the rise of Twitter, I'm starting to think I should just 'go dark' during transfer windows.

 

[Fabio]

I think that's naive Fabs, there's depth, and there's a £35m striker on shit hot wages sat on the bench for a club that clearly needs the money.

Its all he did last year though

UTD have berbatov, welbeck, rooney and hernandez, and only 2 of them will play each week

We need depth. We can't keep shifting out players when we have a few players. We can't keep pllaying the same game every season where we're criminally lacking up front

IF we get someone else then fine, carroll will go. But if it stays like this then i'm happy and expect him to stay

 

[mark1975]

I'm thinking financially aswell though Mia, we don't really know how much is available so it seems a bit strange that we're allegedly forking out near £20m on two strikers. We needed a striker, sure, but we need a few midfielders aswell.

 

[Mamma Mia]

we don't really know

That's all I'm really looking for Mark.

 

[mark1975]

Its all he did last year though

UTD have berbatov, welbeck, rooney and hernandez, and only 2 of them will play each week

We need depth. We can't keep shifting out players when we have a few players. We can't keep pllaying the same game every season where we're criminally lacking up front

IF we get someone else then fine, carroll will go. But if it stays like this then i'm happy and expect him to stay

I knew someone would mention Berbatov. We're not really in the same position as they were though to keep him happy, they had CL football for starters, and players just as expensive in the side ahead of him. He's our most expensive player, he cost near twice as much as anyone else in the squad.

I know this is guess work, I said that in my post, but that's what it points to for me, adding two strikers when we clearly need attacking midfielders too seems a bit of overkill when we have two strikers already and zero wide players of any quality.

 

[mark1975]

That's all I'm really looking for Mark.

I don't get your point Mia, I didn't say it was the nailed on only outcome, I said that's the way I see it. I'm one of the least hysterical people on here during close season so spare me the tar brush.

 

[Modo]

In theory, having Carroll around would give us another dimension to our attack. But I'm not sure if that ever really worked for us.

 

[Fabio]

In theory, having Carroll around would give us another dimension to our attack. But I'm not sure if that ever really worked for us.

It started to work at the end of the season. I honestly think we'd be full on special needs to get rid of him

 

[mark1975]

In theory, having Carroll would give us another dimension to our attack. But I'm not sure if that ever really worked for us.

Well another point is that he clearly thrives more on playing week in, week out, most players do but he seems to suffer physically more than most when he doesn't. So this idea that he can be a £35m option we can haul of the bench or use as and when and STILL be of the quality he showed for Newcastle just seems a bit too much like wishful thinking. He won't be happy with a place on the bench and the owners I'd wager won't be happy with that amount of investment sat on the bench, so....

 

[Fabio]

I STILL think he can fit in to the first team comfortably in rodgers preferred formation.

Dempsey can bench warm

 

[mark1975]

It started to work at the end of the season. I honestly think we'd be full on special needs to get rid of him

I'm not advocating it btw, I think he's clearly a good player and when on form he's unplayable, that aside, I'm not holding out much hope for him staying. Everything just points to him being pushed.

 

[Modo]

Well another point is that he clearly thrives more on playing week in, week out, most players do but he seems to suffer physically more than most when he doesn't. So this idea that he can be a £35m option we can haul of the bench or use as and when and STILL be of the quality he showed for Newcastle just seems a bit too much like wishful thinking. He won't be happy with a place on the bench and the owners I'd wager won't be happy with that amount of investment sat on the bench, so....

Yeah, I'm trying to wrap my head around that too.
I think we'll let him go if the right offer came.

 

[Niall K]

It started to work at the end of the season. I honestly think we'd be full on special needs to get rid of him

Just like we were when we bought him

 

[Fabio]

Just like we were when we bought him

Yup

Still, thats been done so we might as well see how he does

 

[mark1975]

Yup

Still, thats been done so we might as well see how he does

Ideally if he can stay, then great. I just don't see it, for a myriad of reasons.

 

[Fabio]

Honestly, i can understand why people would expect him to leave (not want him to leave), but i just can't see it.

 

[Mamma Mia]

I don't get your point Mia, I didn't say it was the nailed on only outcome, I said that's the way I see it. I'm one of the least hysterical people on here during close season so spare me the tar brush.

I know mate, it wasn't your post that took me there. It was just the "I don't think that leaves too much room for guess work regards Carroll" comment, in addition to saying that was the obvious way to look at it, that made me pull you up on it.

 

[gkmacca]

Rodgers prides himself on his coaching ability, and I would have thought anyone with that attitude would find Carroll absolutely fascinating. So it's disappointing, and a bit baffling, if he's really as quick as he seems to dismiss the player.

 

[Buddha]

Rodgers prides himself on his coaching ability, and I would have thought anyone with that attitude would find Carroll absolutely fascinating. So it's disappointing, and a bit baffling, if he's really as quick as he seems to dismiss the player.

Maybe Rodgers was sounded out about the job well before the end of the season? There's been hints from the moment he took over that he's got a clear idea of the strengths/weaknesses of the squad in relation to his preferred system.

 

[gkmacca]

Maybe Rodgers was sounded out about the job well before the end of the season? There's been hints from the moment he took over that he's got a clear idea of the strengths/weaknesses of the squad in relation to his preferred system.

Possibly, yes. I just find it odd he doesn't seem interested in moulding Carroll. Coaches love to think of players as malleable, yet Rodgers appears to be reluctant to try to work with such a prospect. All speculation, of course - I hope it turns out to be no more than that.

 

[mark1975]

I know mate, it wasn't your post that took me there. It was just the "I don't think that leaves too much room for guess work regards Carroll" comment, in addition to saying that was the obvious way to look at it, that made me pull you up on it.

Quite, as Macca just said, it is just speculation at the end of the day, there just seems to be alot of stuff pointing in the same direction with Carroll, whereas, as we've seen this week with Skrtel, Agger and Suarez, Rodgers has more or less given a hands off warning. Contrast that to his rather ambiguous quotes about Carroll. Anyway, let's see what happens.

 

[Mamma Mia]

Quite, as Macca just said, it is just speculation at the end of the day, there just seems to be alot of stuff pointing in the same direction with Carroll, whereas, as we've seen this week with Skrtel, Agger and Suarez, Rodgers has more or less given a hands off warning. Contrast that to his rather ambiguous quotes about Carroll. Anyway, let's see what happens.

Yeah. I'm with you on the last point.

If I had to speculate, my guess is that someone else at the club wants Carroll gone, Rodgers isn't happy with it, but won't fight it if pushed and is leaving the door open.

 

[Modo]

I don't know much about Rodgers football philosophy but from what I've seen he likes players who are comfortable with the ball. I'm still a bit unsure about Carroll regarding that aspect of his game. He can at times look like he's about to fall over on his on accord. His passing isn't really top notch either.
I think there's just too many flaws in Carroll's style in relation to how we might play that trying to mold him into that type of player would be next to impossible.
I don't think Rodgers wants to put that much effort into adapting his tactics for a certain player. Especially when he isn't that important to the team, like Gerrard for instance.
If Carroll was more like Llorrente he'd definitely be in Rodgers plans.
It'll be interesting to see how all this plays out.

 

[Glen C]

Yeah. I'm with you on the last point.

If I had to speculate, my guess is that someone else at the club wants Carroll gone, Rodgers isn't happy with it, but won't fight it if pushed and is leaving the door open.

Wow where did you get that theory? There's been no hint of that at all. I just reckon carroll isn't BR's type of player. Like modo said he wants people who are comfortable on the ball. He wants to play a short passing possession football with players who are comfortable playing in various positions, like the spainish way. Carroll is not that player. Of course the counter arguement is that barcelona have never won in england which means there's obvious flaws in their system. But i'm looking forward to seeing this new liverpool with players with skill and movement in the team.

 

[Mamma Mia]

Wow where did you get that theory? There's been no hint of that at all. I just reckon carroll isn't BR's type of player. Like modo said he wants people who are comfortable on the ball. He wants to play a short passing possession football with players who are comfortable playing in various positions, like the spainish way. Carroll is not that player. Of course the counter arguement is that barcelona have never won in england which means there's obvious flaws in their system. But i'm looking forward to seeing this new liverpool with players with skill and movement in the team.

I made it up with very little to go on. Same as all the others.

 

[StevieM]

So.... Dempsey + 9m for big Andy?

Worth thinking about?

 

[Gary25]

Rodgers prides himself on his coaching ability, and I would have thought anyone with that attitude would find Carroll absolutely fascinating. So it's disappointing, and a bit baffling, if he's really as quick as he seems to dismiss the player.

Have to agree. It's a really strange one, im sure everyone questions/questioned whether Carroll could fit into Rodger's way of playing but surely a great option and alternative in the form of Carroll would be of great interest to Rodgers.

To appear to completely rule Carroll out of his plans when he hasnt even watched him once in training is puzzling to say the least and you have to wonder if he's been told to get one of our highest earners off the wage bill to fund transfers. Either way, it doesn't add up.

 

[Modo]

What is Carroll gonna show him in training that he hasn't seen in a game?
I mean we judge players we're about to buy on the pitch.

 

[Gary25]

What is Carroll gonna show him in training that he hasn't seen in a game?
I mean we judge players we're about to buy on the pitch.

As Rodgers said himself, you can only fully analysis a player when you see them up close in training.

You'd have thought he'd want a proper look at him, i just don't understand the apparent rush to get rid of someone we've invested £35m in, who looked fitter and sharper towards the end of the season and still has great potential.
Unless as i said before, Rodgers is under instructions to offload one our highest earners/saleable players and Carroll is that man.

Whatever the reason or reasons behind it, i'm disappointed we don't seem to be going to give Carroll more time at the Club.

 

[Red Mullet]

What is Carroll gonna show him in training that he hasn't seen in a game?
I mean we judge players we're about to buy on the pitch.

Don't think this is true.