Adam Johnson

[Spionkop69]

[quote author=Modo link=topic=45739.msg1352628#msg1352628 date=1308651205]
[quote author=Avvy link=topic=45739.msg1352596#msg1352596 date=1308646008]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=45739.msg1352586#msg1352586 date=1308643465]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=45739.msg1352576#msg1352576 date=1308641758]
Adam Johnson, Wright philips, Walcott, Lennon, Downing, Sinclair, Rose are all predictable, brainless overrated players who spit on the memory of great England wingers like Waddle, Barnes, Mcamanaman and even Beckham.

Does anyone of the wingers belonging to the new 'generation' really have another dimension to their game?
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Great England wingers and Beckham is included? You becoming slightly mental.

As for the other 3 mentioned there, not one of them fulfilled their potential at international level for England - even Digger. Barnes was a top tier club winger and one of the best players to play in red. McManaman was frustratingly inconsistent at times and was capable of more. Waddle was average imo.
[/quote]
Damn straight.

Manc cunts even used to say that Digger couldnt give a shit about plaing for England and only cared about Liverpool.
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I wrote England but I meant English.
I wasnt referring to how they played for England.
To illustrate my point, just look at the Spanish so called wingers. Like Iniesta, Mata, Silva etc.
You'll probably say they arent wingers but it's just a label. The modern winger needs to be more than a pacy dribbler, pinging crosses in.
Some here say that Barnes wasnt a winger or even Beckham. But why were they playing on the flanks? Like I said, you persist on labeling them as something else just because they had more dimensions to their game.
With the risk of sounding reptatitve, this is something the new generation of English wingers are missing IMO.
Call me mad or whatever, if you're not seeing it then you're blind, I guess.[/quote]

In other words, if people don't agree they are wrong. Great...

 

[Spionkop69]

Oh and Beckham was not a fucking winger. He was an RM.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

I think we need to define a right mid and a winger.
Someone that plays on right mid is someone that can't necessarily beat someone on the outside and generally has to cut in. A winger in my mind, is someone that can beat a man either side and has the ability to get to the line and cross a ball

regards

 

[The Slugmonster]

[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=45739.msg1352634#msg1352634 date=1308652812]
I think we need to define a right mid and a winger.
Someone that plays on right mid is someone that can't necessarily beat someone on the outside and generally has to cut in. A winger in my mind, is someone that can beat a man either side and has the ability to get to the line and cross a ball

regards
[/quote]

I think you can base it on the system a team plays. Glen Johnson for example has all the qualities of a wing back....but then again when he's played in a 442 can you really call him that, as a 442 employs full backs? Beckham was never classed as a winger but he did have the ability to at least steal a few yards on a full back and get a cross in. Whether going past a player by a few yards to create space to get a ball in or having to show them a clean pair of heels to be classed as a winger, people have different interpretations in my opinion...and with modern formations changing a lot, even our own, we may even see Suarez and Kuyt labelled wingers in a 433 next season....well.... if someone classes iniesta, pedro and the likes as wingers then its at least up for debate!

 

[Vlads Quiff]

[quote author=The Slugmonster link=topic=45739.msg1352640#msg1352640 date=1308653584]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=45739.msg1352634#msg1352634 date=1308652812]
I think we need to define a right mid and a winger.
Someone that plays on right mid is someone that can't necessarily beat someone on the outside and generally has to cut in. A winger in my mind, is someone that can beat a man either side and has the ability to get to the line and cross a ball

regards
[/quote]

I think you can base it on the system a team plays. Glen Johnson for example has all the qualities of a wing back....but then again when he's played in a 442 can you really call him that, as a 442 employs full backs? Beckham was never classed as a winger but he did have the ability to at least steal a few yards on a full back and get a cross in. Whether going past a player by a few yards to create space to get a ball in or having to show them a clean pair of heels to be classed as a winger, people have different interpretations in my opinion...and with modern formations changing a lot, even our own, we may even see Suarez and Kuyt labelled wingers in a 433 next season....well.... if someone classes iniesta, pedro and the likes as wingers then its at least up for debate!
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Based on my definition Suarez could be Dirk deffo not
regards

 

[Modo]

Thanks for clarifying isnt it basically a trait and not a position per se.
I mean Beckham and Giggs played on opposite flanks in a 4-4-2 you could argue that one was a winger and the other was a RM.

I think its an unnecessary discussion, no offence.

 

[The Slugmonster]

[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=45739.msg1352647#msg1352647 date=1308654429]
[quote author=The Slugmonster link=topic=45739.msg1352640#msg1352640 date=1308653584]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=45739.msg1352634#msg1352634 date=1308652812]
I think we need to define a right mid and a winger.
Someone that plays on right mid is someone that can't necessarily beat someone on the outside and generally has to cut in. A winger in my mind, is someone that can beat a man either side and has the ability to get to the line and cross a ball

regards
[/quote]

I think you can base it on the system a team plays. Glen Johnson for example has all the qualities of a wing back....but then again when he's played in a 442 can you really call him that, as a 442 employs full backs? Beckham was never classed as a winger but he did have the ability to at least steal a few yards on a full back and get a cross in. Whether going past a player by a few yards to create space to get a ball in or having to show them a clean pair of heels to be classed as a winger, people have different interpretations in my opinion...and with modern formations changing a lot, even our own, we may even see Suarez and Kuyt labelled wingers in a 433 next season....well.... if someone classes iniesta, pedro and the likes as wingers then its at least up for debate!
[/quote]

Based on my definition Suarez could be Dirk deffo not
regards
[/quote]

Suppose this applies to what Modo just said about giggs and beckham. Even though suarez and kuyt would play either side of big andy we could never class dirk as a winger...but is this based on his style of play or labelled position?? It would be the former if this is the case. 🙂

 

[Gary25]

[quote author=Modo link=topic=45739.msg1352576#msg1352576 date=1308641758]
Adam Johnson, Wright philips, Walcott, Lennon, Downing, Sinclair, Rose are all predictable, brainless overrated players who spit on the memory of great England wingers like Waddle, Barnes, Mcamanaman and even Beckham.

Does anyone of the wingers belonging to the new 'generation' really have another dimension to their game?
[/quote]

That sir is one excellent post. (bows)

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

[quote author=Markeh link=topic=45739.msg1352571#msg1352571 date=1308625842]
[quote author=Avvy link=topic=45739.msg1352459#msg1352459 date=1308601557]
What point is being debated though?

That getting in players who've failed at other clubs is risky? of course it is..any transfer is risky; you just have to look at the reasons for the failure and see whether those are issues that could be surmounted.

Of course if he failed because he's shit then it's a no-brainer.

One reason that is less relevant is whether or not he came from a top club or a relegation candidate.
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I dunno, I just thought it was a good point not 'utter shite' 😱

Someone said we're shopping at Harrods, I'm pretty sure they don't put dented tins back on the top shelf. Fuck the milk we want our cream!!

Adam Johnson looks the part, he'd be creamy.
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When they said we'd be shopping in Harrods, they meant we'd be getting players from clubs like Fulham.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=Modo link=topic=45739.msg1352576#msg1352576 date=1308641758]
Adam Johnson, Wright philips, Walcott, Lennon, Downing, Sinclair, Rose are all predictable, brainless overrated players who spit on the memory of great England wingers like Waddle, Barnes, Mcamanaman and even Beckham.

Does anyone of the wingers belonging to the new 'generation' really have another dimension to their game?
[/quote]Hahahaha spit on the memory!
You hysterical twat.

 

[Sunny]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45739.msg1352674#msg1352674 date=1308658145]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=45739.msg1352576#msg1352576 date=1308641758]
Adam Johnson, Wright philips, Walcott, Lennon, Downing, Sinclair, Rose are all predictable, brainless overrated players who spit on the memory of great England wingers like Waddle, Barnes, Mcamanaman and even Beckham.

Does anyone of the wingers belonging to the new 'generation' really have another dimension to their game?
[/quote]Hahahaha spit on the memory!
You hysterical twat.


[/quote]

Don't upset him. He'll slap you on the face with a gauntlet and be challenging you to a duel on the common at daybreak otherwise.

 

[Modo]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45739.msg1352674#msg1352674 date=1308658145]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=45739.msg1352576#msg1352576 date=1308641758]
Adam Johnson, Wright philips, Walcott, Lennon, Downing, Sinclair, Rose are all predictable, brainless overrated players who spit on the memory of great England wingers like Waddle, Barnes, Mcamanaman and even Beckham.

Does anyone of the wingers belonging to the new 'generation' really have another dimension to their game?
[/quote]Hahahaha spit on the memory!
You hysterical twat.
[/quote]
Frustration talking...

 

[Modo]

[quote author=Sunny link=topic=45739.msg1352676#msg1352676 date=1308658448]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45739.msg1352674#msg1352674 date=1308658145]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=45739.msg1352576#msg1352576 date=1308641758]
Adam Johnson, Wright philips, Walcott, Lennon, Downing, Sinclair, Rose are all predictable, brainless overrated players who spit on the memory of great England wingers like Waddle, Barnes, Mcamanaman and even Beckham.

Does anyone of the wingers belonging to the new 'generation' really have another dimension to their game?
[/quote]Hahahaha spit on the memory!
You hysterical twat.


[/quote]

Don't upset him. He'll slap you on the face with a gauntlet and be challenging you to a duel on the common at daybreak otherwise.
[/quote]
Hahaha. I'm more likely to be the receiver of that oral(written) twatting.
Basing it on first hand SCM experience...

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=Modo link=topic=45739.msg1352677#msg1352677 date=1308658610]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45739.msg1352674#msg1352674 date=1308658145]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=45739.msg1352576#msg1352576 date=1308641758]
Adam Johnson, Wright philips, Walcott, Lennon, Downing, Sinclair, Rose are all predictable, brainless overrated players who spit on the memory of great England wingers like Waddle, Barnes, Mcamanaman and even Beckham.

Does anyone of the wingers belonging to the new 'generation' really have another dimension to their game?
[/quote]Hahahaha spit on the memory!
You hysterical twat.
[/quote]
Frustration talking...
[/quote]What have i got to be frustrated about. None of those 'wingers' you name as the yardstick for the current generation ever won anything for England. In fact Barnes and Mcmanaman were largely shite for england and Ashley Young already has a better record than Waddle (who i couldnt care less about because he didnt play for liverpool)

I just dont understand your point Modo. Why not say that Gillardino, Balotelli spit on the great history of Rossi, Baggio and Vieri?
Or Fred, Fabiano and Robinho spit on the great history of Romario, Ronaldo and Pele?

Why pick the best examples against today? Why not Wilcox, Anderton, Batty, Murphy and about a million other shite English wide men in the past 25 years?

Its hysterical shite. And you should probably hurl you laptop out the window.

Peace.

 

[the_khl]

I'm not even sure what you guys are arguing about anymore but Oncy easily comes across as the most 'hysterical' one.

Right or wrong.

 

[Fabio]

Re: Re: Adam Johnson

Ramires is no socrates and Lucas is no dunga

And the less said about robinho the better

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=KHL link=topic=45739.msg1352694#msg1352694 date=1308660997]
I'm not even sure what you guys are arguing about anymore but Oncy easily comes across as the most 'hysterical' one.

Right or wrong.
[/quote]Youre in NO position to point out anyones hysteria, hyperbole or any other fucking thing sunshine.

 

[the_khl]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45739.msg1352697#msg1352697 date=1308661166]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=45739.msg1352694#msg1352694 date=1308660997]
I'm not even sure what you guys are arguing about anymore but Oncy easily comes across as the most 'hysterical' one.

Right or wrong.
[/quote]Youre in NO position to point out anyones hysteria, hyperbole or any other fucking thing sunshine.

[/quote]
I'm a calm lad. You're the one throwing hissy fits. Like now.

Step away from the handbag.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=KHL link=topic=45739.msg1352700#msg1352700 date=1308661338]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45739.msg1352697#msg1352697 date=1308661166]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=45739.msg1352694#msg1352694 date=1308660997]
I'm not even sure what you guys are arguing about anymore but Oncy easily comes across as the most 'hysterical' one.

Right or wrong.
[/quote]Youre in NO position to point out anyones hysteria, hyperbole or any other fucking thing sunshine.

[/quote]
I'm a calm lad. You're the one throwing hissy fits. Like now.

Step away from the handbag.
[/quote]I dont know what youre talking about.
Im not throwing anything. Im telling Modo he's talking shite.
Please stop talking to me.
Thanks.

 

[HC]

Modo made a fucking silly comment.

Onky shot him down.

End of.

Move on.

 

[the_khl]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45739.msg1352704#msg1352704 date=1308661611]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=45739.msg1352700#msg1352700 date=1308661338]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45739.msg1352697#msg1352697 date=1308661166]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=45739.msg1352694#msg1352694 date=1308660997]
I'm not even sure what you guys are arguing about anymore but Oncy easily comes across as the most 'hysterical' one.

Right or wrong.
[/quote]Youre in NO position to point out anyones hysteria, hyperbole or any other fucking thing sunshine.

[/quote]
I'm a calm lad. You're the one throwing hissy fits. Like now.

Step away from the handbag.
[/quote]I dont know what youre talking about.
Im not throwing anything. Im telling Modo he's talking shite.
Please stop talking to me.
Thanks.
[/quote]
No you're not, you are laughing into his face calling him a hysterical twat?

And now you are telling me that 'I'm no position to tell anyone anything'. Are you having a laugh? Or is that the admin talking?

You are throwing a lot of things.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=KHL link=topic=45739.msg1352709#msg1352709 date=1308662044]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45739.msg1352704#msg1352704 date=1308661611]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=45739.msg1352700#msg1352700 date=1308661338]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45739.msg1352697#msg1352697 date=1308661166]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=45739.msg1352694#msg1352694 date=1308660997]
I'm not even sure what you guys are arguing about anymore but Oncy easily comes across as the most 'hysterical' one.

Right or wrong.
[/quote]Youre in NO position to point out anyones hysteria, hyperbole or any other fucking thing sunshine.

[/quote]
I'm a calm lad. You're the one throwing hissy fits. Like now.

Step away from the handbag.
[/quote]I dont know what youre talking about.
Im not throwing anything. Im telling Modo he's talking shite.
Please stop talking to me.
Thanks.
[/quote]
No you're not, you are laughing into his face calling him a hysterical twat?

And now you are telling me that 'I'm no position to tell anyone anything'. Are you having a laugh? Or is that the admin talking?

You are throwing a lot of things.
[/quote]Ok. Whatever. Thanks for sharing. I feel better for having read that.

 

[Sunny]

 

[Vlads Quiff]

Hahahaha Modo and KHL, the button pushers in chief....it must be a Scandinavian thang


regards

 

[Vlads Quiff]

As it happens I think Adam Johnson given the right direction could justifiably spit on quite a few of those "immortals"

regards

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=45739.msg1352720#msg1352720 date=1308662949]
Hahahaha Modo and KHL, the button pushers in chief....it must be a Scandinavian thang


regards
[/quote]Nnnnaaaahh Svens alright.........oh no wait.....hes a massive bellend.

 

[the_khl]

[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=45739.msg1352720#msg1352720 date=1308662949]
Hahahaha Modo and KHL, the button pushers in chief....it must be a Scandinavian thang


regards
[/quote]
Oncy's Scandinavian?

Read through the thread trying to get a grasp of what actually was beeing discussed and then someone ruined it by starting to call names and act-up. Irritated me, that's all.

Oncy is a good posters. Not in this thread though. No reason to get all wired up about it.

 

[spider-Neil]

the people I feel sorry for are new members or guests who see a 12 page thread on adam johnson and excitedly open said thread expecting to see exclusive news of johnson's eminent transfer to liverpool...

 

[the_khl]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45739.msg1352723#msg1352723 date=1308663069]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=45739.msg1352720#msg1352720 date=1308662949]
Hahahaha Modo and KHL, the button pushers in chief....it must be a Scandinavian thang


regards
[/quote]Nnnnaaaahh Svens alright.........oh no wait.....hes a massive bellend.
[/quote]
Hansern rarely if not never pushes anyones buttons it has to be said.

Norwegian wood.

 

[the_khl]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=45739.msg1352730#msg1352730 date=1308663623]
the people I feel sorry for are new members or guests who see a 12 page thread on adam johnson and excitedly open said thread expecting to see exclusive news of johnson's eminent transfer to liverpool...
[/quote]
They have to learn what 6CM is all about. The hard way.