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[quote author=Wilko link=topic=45739.msg1352118#msg1352118 date=1308536747]
So you can't think of any?
Never mind, even the best of posters post utter shite every now and again.
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(sigh), very nice of you wilko.
I just listed several players from other rival clubs, if you read the thread - it wasn't specific to Arsenal and Citeh. They came to us via Middltablebourough, Portsrelegatedmouth and other clubs from our Rivals.
Clearly Anelka was not the type of player here I am talking about, as he was always a talented scorer/player. You can't say the Same for Bolo and Pennant
Let me define as much as I can, the unwanted Castoff at LFC - a player who no longer gets his game in a rival clubs team on a regular basis because he ain't very good. And is obviously not very good. It's not just because he moved on.
So you can't think of any?
Never mind, even the best of posters post utter shite every now and again.
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(sigh), very nice of you wilko.
I just listed several players from other rival clubs, if you read the thread - it wasn't specific to Arsenal and Citeh. They came to us via Middltablebourough, Portsrelegatedmouth and other clubs from our Rivals.
Clearly Anelka was not the type of player here I am talking about, as he was always a talented scorer/player. You can't say the Same for Bolo and Pennant
Let me define as much as I can, the unwanted Castoff at LFC - a player who no longer gets his game in a rival clubs team on a regular basis because he ain't very good. And is obviously not very good. It's not just because he moved on.
[quote author=Krump link=topic=45739.msg1352316#msg1352316 date=1308580331]
But Johnson is dead good. Just that Citeh have got billions of players and Mancini is a fanny who plays like Rafadyce.
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With skips full of money and don't need to sell anyone to anyone sadly......................
But Johnson is dead good. Just that Citeh have got billions of players and Mancini is a fanny who plays like Rafadyce.
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With skips full of money and don't need to sell anyone to anyone sadly......................
[quote author=Krump link=topic=45739.msg1352322#msg1352322 date=1308580891]
I'm looking forward to the bit where they can only field Joe Hart, Yaya Toure and nine Arabs who had to pay a million quid each to get on the tele to fit in with UEFA regs.
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Hahaha, yes, the thing is that's a great idea, but be know ho corrupt and crap FIFA/UEFA are, we know it won't work and there will be more loop holes in it than in a piece of Mr Blatters native cheese.
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I'm looking forward to the bit where they can only field Joe Hart, Yaya Toure and nine Arabs who had to pay a million quid each to get on the tele to fit in with UEFA regs.
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Hahaha, yes, the thing is that's a great idea, but be know ho corrupt and crap FIFA/UEFA are, we know it won't work and there will be more loop holes in it than in a piece of Mr Blatters native cheese.
regards
[quote author=localny link=topic=45739.msg1352313#msg1352313 date=1308580158]
[quote author=Wilko link=topic=45739.msg1352118#msg1352118 date=1308536747]
So you can't think of any?
Never mind, even the best of posters post utter shite every now and again.
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(sigh), very nice of you wilko.
I just listed several players from other rival clubs, if you read the thread - it wasn't specific to Arsenal and Citeh. They came to us via Middltablebourough, Portsrelegatedmouth and other clubs from our Rivals.
Clearly Anelka was not the type of player here I am talking about, as he was always a talented scorer/player. You can't say the Same for Bolo and Pennant
Let me define as much as I can, the unwanted Castoff at LFC - a player who no longer gets his game in a rival clubs team on a regular basis because he ain't very good. And is obviously not very good. It's not just because he moved on.
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You're right, but why do you keep going back to the clubs where we get players from?
The problem is that we excel in buying shit players, not where we get players from.
We got one of our greatest ever players from 'Middletablebrough', as you put it.
[quote author=Wilko link=topic=45739.msg1352118#msg1352118 date=1308536747]
So you can't think of any?
Never mind, even the best of posters post utter shite every now and again.
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(sigh), very nice of you wilko.
I just listed several players from other rival clubs, if you read the thread - it wasn't specific to Arsenal and Citeh. They came to us via Middltablebourough, Portsrelegatedmouth and other clubs from our Rivals.
Clearly Anelka was not the type of player here I am talking about, as he was always a talented scorer/player. You can't say the Same for Bolo and Pennant
Let me define as much as I can, the unwanted Castoff at LFC - a player who no longer gets his game in a rival clubs team on a regular basis because he ain't very good. And is obviously not very good. It's not just because he moved on.
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You're right, but why do you keep going back to the clubs where we get players from?
The problem is that we excel in buying shit players, not where we get players from.
We got one of our greatest ever players from 'Middletablebrough', as you put it.
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[quote author=localny link=topic=45739.msg1352313#msg1352313 date=1308580158]
[quote author=Wilko link=topic=45739.msg1352118#msg1352118 date=1308536747]
So you can't think of any?
Never mind, even the best of posters post utter shite every now and again.
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(sigh), very nice of you wilko.
I just listed several players from other rival clubs, if you read the thread - it wasn't specific to Arsenal and Citeh. They came to us via Middltablebourough, Portsrelegatedmouth and other clubs from our Rivals.
Clearly Anelka was not the type of player here I am talking about, as he was always a talented scorer/player. You can't say the Same for Bolo and Pennant
Let me define as much as I can, the unwanted Castoff at LFC - a player who no longer gets his game in a rival clubs team on a regular basis because he ain't very good. And is obviously not very good. It's not just because he moved on.
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You're right, but why do you keep going back to the clubs where we get players from?
The problem is that we excel in buying shit players, not where we get players from.
We got one of our greatest ever players from 'Middletablebrough', as you put it.
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Well said. (puts on Shirt and Sandals, exits increasingly tedious thread into 80- degree Northeastern US weather to enjoy a nice summer lunch)
[quote author=localny link=topic=45739.msg1352313#msg1352313 date=1308580158]
[quote author=Wilko link=topic=45739.msg1352118#msg1352118 date=1308536747]
So you can't think of any?
Never mind, even the best of posters post utter shite every now and again.
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(sigh), very nice of you wilko.
I just listed several players from other rival clubs, if you read the thread - it wasn't specific to Arsenal and Citeh. They came to us via Middltablebourough, Portsrelegatedmouth and other clubs from our Rivals.
Clearly Anelka was not the type of player here I am talking about, as he was always a talented scorer/player. You can't say the Same for Bolo and Pennant
Let me define as much as I can, the unwanted Castoff at LFC - a player who no longer gets his game in a rival clubs team on a regular basis because he ain't very good. And is obviously not very good. It's not just because he moved on.
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You're right, but why do you keep going back to the clubs where we get players from?
The problem is that we excel in buying shit players, not where we get players from.
We got one of our greatest ever players from 'Middletablebrough', as you put it.
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Well said. (puts on Shirt and Sandals, exits increasingly tedious thread into 80- degree Northeastern US weather to enjoy a nice summer lunch)
Fucking hell like, he has a good point. We should be wary of buying cast offs from the big clubs, even the ones that left to excel at middle of the road clubs because usually theres a reason why the top club didn't want them.
Of course leaving a big club doesn't mean you're shit, maybe the circumstances weren't right to get into the first team like Pique, or your attitude is shit and you have a sulky demeanor like Anelka. But most of the time when a player leaves a top club and that club aren't bothered about losing him (which I would think is being 'cast off') it will tend to mean he's not good enough, they may go elsewhere and do well but it's still a risk signing someone you know has flaws at the top level - however you could get a bargain.
The likes of Pennant, Bentley, even our own joe cole and glen johnson have flaws and have enjoyed varying degrees of success but arguably not one of them would walk back into the first 11 of their top tier former clubs. Therefore ideally we should want better.
You can't cite Real Madrid cast offs from recent years because of their ridiculous turnover and transfer policies.
Of course leaving a big club doesn't mean you're shit, maybe the circumstances weren't right to get into the first team like Pique, or your attitude is shit and you have a sulky demeanor like Anelka. But most of the time when a player leaves a top club and that club aren't bothered about losing him (which I would think is being 'cast off') it will tend to mean he's not good enough, they may go elsewhere and do well but it's still a risk signing someone you know has flaws at the top level - however you could get a bargain.
The likes of Pennant, Bentley, even our own joe cole and glen johnson have flaws and have enjoyed varying degrees of success but arguably not one of them would walk back into the first 11 of their top tier former clubs. Therefore ideally we should want better.
You can't cite Real Madrid cast offs from recent years because of their ridiculous turnover and transfer policies.
Re: Re: Adam Johnson
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=45739.msg1352373#msg1352373 date=1308592370]
Glen Johnson would easily walk into the Chelsea team. Their right backs are a bit atrocious
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Well that was the arguably bit lol
But I do think Ivanovic is maybe better defensively, it's a little unfair including Johnson because he was very young at Chelsea and he was trying to break into a strong team plus he's the England right back.
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=45739.msg1352373#msg1352373 date=1308592370]
Glen Johnson would easily walk into the Chelsea team. Their right backs are a bit atrocious
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Well that was the arguably bit lol
But I do think Ivanovic is maybe better defensively, it's a little unfair including Johnson because he was very young at Chelsea and he was trying to break into a strong team plus he's the England right back.
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[quote author=Markeh link=topic=45739.msg1352372#msg1352372 date=1308592224]
You can't cite Real Madrid cast offs from recent years because of their ridiculous turnover and transfer policies.
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Not unlike Citeh
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Yea that's true, they could be a source of bargains. It's still an absolute mystery to me why Madrid they got rid of those dutch boys.
[quote author=Markeh link=topic=45739.msg1352372#msg1352372 date=1308592224]
You can't cite Real Madrid cast offs from recent years because of their ridiculous turnover and transfer policies.
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Not unlike Citeh
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Yea that's true, they could be a source of bargains. It's still an absolute mystery to me why Madrid they got rid of those dutch boys.
It was entirely political. Calderon, then president, promised to bring in Fabregas, Kaka and Ronaldo - but ended up buying a load of Dutch players which were considered second tier to those he'd declared he'd get. Thus when Perez came in he didn't only go and get Kaka and Ronaldo but shipped all the Dutch out.
It was the equivalent of winning the fight, but then taking a piss on his adversary.
It was the equivalent of winning the fight, but then taking a piss on his adversary.
[quote author=Markeh link=topic=45739.msg1352372#msg1352372 date=1308592224]
Fucking hell like, he has a good point. We should be wary of buying cast offs from the big clubs, even the ones that left to excel at middle of the road clubs because usually theres a reason why the top club didn't want them.
Of course leaving a big club doesn't mean you're shit, maybe the circumstances weren't right to get into the first team like Pique, or your attitude is shit and you have a sulky demeanor like Anelka. But most of the time when a player leaves a top club and that club aren't bothered about losing him (which I would think is being 'cast off') it will tend to mean he's not good enough, they may go elsewhere and do well but it's still a risk signing someone you know has flaws at the top level - however you could get a bargain.
The likes of Pennant, Bentley, even our own joe cole and glen johnson have flaws and have enjoyed varying degrees of success but arguably not one of them would walk back into the first 11 of their top tier former clubs. Therefore ideally we should want better.
You can't cite Real Madrid cast offs from recent years because of their ridiculous turnover and transfer policies.
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I never thought about that issue at Real Markeh (finally feels understood on this overall point)
Fucking hell like, he has a good point. We should be wary of buying cast offs from the big clubs, even the ones that left to excel at middle of the road clubs because usually theres a reason why the top club didn't want them.
Of course leaving a big club doesn't mean you're shit, maybe the circumstances weren't right to get into the first team like Pique, or your attitude is shit and you have a sulky demeanor like Anelka. But most of the time when a player leaves a top club and that club aren't bothered about losing him (which I would think is being 'cast off') it will tend to mean he's not good enough, they may go elsewhere and do well but it's still a risk signing someone you know has flaws at the top level - however you could get a bargain.
The likes of Pennant, Bentley, even our own joe cole and glen johnson have flaws and have enjoyed varying degrees of success but arguably not one of them would walk back into the first 11 of their top tier former clubs. Therefore ideally we should want better.
You can't cite Real Madrid cast offs from recent years because of their ridiculous turnover and transfer policies.
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I never thought about that issue at Real Markeh (finally feels understood on this overall point)
[quote author=Krump link=topic=45739.msg1352402#msg1352402 date=1308596546]
It was entirely political. Calderon, then president, promised to bring in Fabregas, Kaka and Ronaldo - but ended up buying a load of Dutch players which were considered second tier to those he'd declared he'd get. Thus when Perez came in he didn't only go and get Kaka and Ronaldo but shipped all the Dutch out.
It was the equivalent of winning the fight, but then taking a piss on his adversary.
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Thats just mental, they'd be a lot closer to barca with sneijder and robben
[quote author=localny link=topic=45739.msg1352412#msg1352412 date=1308596942]
I never thought about that issue at Real Markeh (finally feels understood on this overall point)
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Krump just said it all there, cast off by the president. What a strange club.
It's a good point you had though, how do you know if a player is good enough to help us back into the top 4? Have they been there before and failed? Then the probability is they could fail again, that aside it's a damn shame we weren't looking at him before he went to city.
It was entirely political. Calderon, then president, promised to bring in Fabregas, Kaka and Ronaldo - but ended up buying a load of Dutch players which were considered second tier to those he'd declared he'd get. Thus when Perez came in he didn't only go and get Kaka and Ronaldo but shipped all the Dutch out.
It was the equivalent of winning the fight, but then taking a piss on his adversary.
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Thats just mental, they'd be a lot closer to barca with sneijder and robben
[quote author=localny link=topic=45739.msg1352412#msg1352412 date=1308596942]
I never thought about that issue at Real Markeh (finally feels understood on this overall point)
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Krump just said it all there, cast off by the president. What a strange club.
It's a good point you had though, how do you know if a player is good enough to help us back into the top 4? Have they been there before and failed? Then the probability is they could fail again, that aside it's a damn shame we weren't looking at him before he went to city.
What point is being debated though?
That getting in players who've failed at other clubs is risky? of course it is..any transfer is risky; you just have to look at the reasons for the failure and see whether those are issues that could be surmounted.
Of course if he failed because he's shit then it's a no-brainer.
One reason that is less relevant is whether or not he came from a top club or a relegation candidate.
That getting in players who've failed at other clubs is risky? of course it is..any transfer is risky; you just have to look at the reasons for the failure and see whether those are issues that could be surmounted.
Of course if he failed because he's shit then it's a no-brainer.
One reason that is less relevant is whether or not he came from a top club or a relegation candidate.
[quote author=Avvy link=topic=45739.msg1352459#msg1352459 date=1308601557]
What point is being debated though?
That getting in players who've failed at other clubs is risky? of course it is..any transfer is risky; you just have to look at the reasons for the failure and see whether those are issues that could be surmounted.
Of course if he failed because he's shit then it's a no-brainer.
One reason that is less relevant is whether or not he came from a top club or a relegation candidate.
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I dunno, I just thought it was a good point not 'utter shite' 😱
Someone said we're shopping at Harrods, I'm pretty sure they don't put dented tins back on the top shelf. Fuck the milk we want our cream!!
Adam Johnson looks the part, he'd be creamy.
What point is being debated though?
That getting in players who've failed at other clubs is risky? of course it is..any transfer is risky; you just have to look at the reasons for the failure and see whether those are issues that could be surmounted.
Of course if he failed because he's shit then it's a no-brainer.
One reason that is less relevant is whether or not he came from a top club or a relegation candidate.
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I dunno, I just thought it was a good point not 'utter shite' 😱
Someone said we're shopping at Harrods, I'm pretty sure they don't put dented tins back on the top shelf. Fuck the milk we want our cream!!
Adam Johnson looks the part, he'd be creamy.
Adam Johnson, Wright philips, Walcott, Lennon, Downing, Sinclair, Rose are all predictable, brainless overrated players who spit on the memory of great England wingers like Waddle, Barnes, Mcamanaman and even Beckham.
Does anyone of the wingers belonging to the new 'generation' really have another dimension to their game?
Does anyone of the wingers belonging to the new 'generation' really have another dimension to their game?
[quote author=Modo link=topic=45739.msg1352576#msg1352576 date=1308641758]
Adam Johnson, Wright philips, Walcott, Lennon, Downing, Sinclair, Rose are all predictable, brainless overrated players who spit on the memory of great England wingers like Waddle, Barnes, Mcamanaman and even Beckham.
Does anyone of the wingers belonging to the new 'generation' really have another dimension to their game?
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Great England wingers and Beckham is included? You becoming slightly mental.
As for the other 3 mentioned there, not one of them fulfilled their potential at international level for England - even Digger. Barnes was a top tier club winger and one of the best players to play in red. McManaman was frustratingly inconsistent at times and was capable of more. Waddle was average imo.
Adam Johnson, Wright philips, Walcott, Lennon, Downing, Sinclair, Rose are all predictable, brainless overrated players who spit on the memory of great England wingers like Waddle, Barnes, Mcamanaman and even Beckham.
Does anyone of the wingers belonging to the new 'generation' really have another dimension to their game?
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Great England wingers and Beckham is included? You becoming slightly mental.
As for the other 3 mentioned there, not one of them fulfilled their potential at international level for England - even Digger. Barnes was a top tier club winger and one of the best players to play in red. McManaman was frustratingly inconsistent at times and was capable of more. Waddle was average imo.
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Beckham was a winger. Or do you mean he wasn't great?
Wrong on both occasions anyways.
And as I remember Waddle he wasn't 'average'?
Wrong on both occasions anyways.
And as I remember Waddle he wasn't 'average'?
[quote author=Modo link=topic=45739.msg1352576#msg1352576 date=1308641758]
Adam Johnson, Wright philips, Walcott, Lennon, Downing, Sinclair, Rose are all predictable, brainless overrated players who spit on the memory of great England wingers like Waddle, Barnes, Mcamanaman and even Beckham.
Does anyone of the wingers belonging to the new 'generation' really have another dimension to their game?
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They can play on the opposite wing of where they're supposed to and cut in........the clever fuckers! 😱
Adam Johnson, Wright philips, Walcott, Lennon, Downing, Sinclair, Rose are all predictable, brainless overrated players who spit on the memory of great England wingers like Waddle, Barnes, Mcamanaman and even Beckham.
Does anyone of the wingers belonging to the new 'generation' really have another dimension to their game?
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They can play on the opposite wing of where they're supposed to and cut in........the clever fuckers! 😱
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[quote author=Modo link=topic=45739.msg1352576#msg1352576 date=1308641758]
Adam Johnson, Wright philips, Walcott, Lennon, Downing, Sinclair, Rose are all predictable, brainless overrated players who spit on the memory of great England wingers like Waddle, Barnes, Mcamanaman and even Beckham.
Does anyone of the wingers belonging to the new 'generation' really have another dimension to their game?
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Great England wingers and Beckham is included? You becoming slightly mental.
As for the other 3 mentioned there, not one of them fulfilled their potential at international level for England - even Digger. Barnes was a top tier club winger and one of the best players to play in red. McManaman was frustratingly inconsistent at times and was capable of more. Waddle was average imo.
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Damn straight.
Manc cunts even used to say that Digger couldnt give a shit about plaing for England and only cared about Liverpool.
[quote author=Modo link=topic=45739.msg1352576#msg1352576 date=1308641758]
Adam Johnson, Wright philips, Walcott, Lennon, Downing, Sinclair, Rose are all predictable, brainless overrated players who spit on the memory of great England wingers like Waddle, Barnes, Mcamanaman and even Beckham.
Does anyone of the wingers belonging to the new 'generation' really have another dimension to their game?
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Great England wingers and Beckham is included? You becoming slightly mental.
As for the other 3 mentioned there, not one of them fulfilled their potential at international level for England - even Digger. Barnes was a top tier club winger and one of the best players to play in red. McManaman was frustratingly inconsistent at times and was capable of more. Waddle was average imo.
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Damn straight.
Manc cunts even used to say that Digger couldnt give a shit about plaing for England and only cared about Liverpool.
The idea of cast offs only really applies to former first team players who have been replaced with younger, better players. When you have clubs like City who buy loads and loads of players its not really right to dismiss those who get pissed off there as cast offs.
The real problem with buying players from a club like that though is that they will probably be getting paid a hell of a lot so its a case of whether they're worth it.
The real problem with buying players from a club like that though is that they will probably be getting paid a hell of a lot so its a case of whether they're worth it.
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[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=45739.msg1352586#msg1352586 date=1308643465]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=45739.msg1352576#msg1352576 date=1308641758]
Adam Johnson, Wright philips, Walcott, Lennon, Downing, Sinclair, Rose are all predictable, brainless overrated players who spit on the memory of great England wingers like Waddle, Barnes, Mcamanaman and even Beckham.
Does anyone of the wingers belonging to the new 'generation' really have another dimension to their game?
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Great England wingers and Beckham is included? You becoming slightly mental.
As for the other 3 mentioned there, not one of them fulfilled their potential at international level for England - even Digger. Barnes was a top tier club winger and one of the best players to play in red. McManaman was frustratingly inconsistent at times and was capable of more. Waddle was average imo.
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Damn straight.
Manc cunts even used to say that Digger couldnt give a shit about plaing for England and only cared about Liverpool.
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I wrote England but I meant English.
I wasnt referring to how they played for England.
To illustrate my point, just look at the Spanish so called wingers. Like Iniesta, Mata, Silva etc.
You'll probably say they arent wingers but it's just a label. The modern winger needs to be more than a pacy dribbler, pinging crosses in.
Some here say that Barnes wasnt a winger or even Beckham. But why were they playing on the flanks? Like I said, you persist on labeling them as something else just because they had more dimensions to their game.
With the risk of sounding reptatitve, this is something the new generation of English wingers are missing IMO.
Call me mad or whatever, if you're not seeing it then you're blind, I guess.
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=45739.msg1352586#msg1352586 date=1308643465]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=45739.msg1352576#msg1352576 date=1308641758]
Adam Johnson, Wright philips, Walcott, Lennon, Downing, Sinclair, Rose are all predictable, brainless overrated players who spit on the memory of great England wingers like Waddle, Barnes, Mcamanaman and even Beckham.
Does anyone of the wingers belonging to the new 'generation' really have another dimension to their game?
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Great England wingers and Beckham is included? You becoming slightly mental.
As for the other 3 mentioned there, not one of them fulfilled their potential at international level for England - even Digger. Barnes was a top tier club winger and one of the best players to play in red. McManaman was frustratingly inconsistent at times and was capable of more. Waddle was average imo.
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Damn straight.
Manc cunts even used to say that Digger couldnt give a shit about plaing for England and only cared about Liverpool.
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I wrote England but I meant English.
I wasnt referring to how they played for England.
To illustrate my point, just look at the Spanish so called wingers. Like Iniesta, Mata, Silva etc.
You'll probably say they arent wingers but it's just a label. The modern winger needs to be more than a pacy dribbler, pinging crosses in.
Some here say that Barnes wasnt a winger or even Beckham. But why were they playing on the flanks? Like I said, you persist on labeling them as something else just because they had more dimensions to their game.
With the risk of sounding reptatitve, this is something the new generation of English wingers are missing IMO.
Call me mad or whatever, if you're not seeing it then you're blind, I guess.
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