If we beat Cardiff, Chelsea & City, Rodgers will have a problem. Those results will dictate how much of a headache he'll have.
We don't need him. .
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If we beat Cardiff, Chelsea & City, Rodgers will have a problem. Those results will dictate how much of a headache he'll have.
Screw that, if he manages to win those games with the players at hand, Gerrard no longer has a guaranteed spot in the team. He'll have to earn it like everyone else.
God knows he needs something to spur him on and we all know how he usually plays in the 2nd half of the season.
Agree with Modo there, it would no way be a problem if we won our next 3 or 4, Gerrard would have to wait, he would surely know that as would Rodgers, it would make the situation easier for Rodgers if anything.
Take a bow, Keni. As good a post as we've seen on here in an age. It takes a lot more than one or even two good performances to convince that a midfield is going to carry all before them. That's coming from someone who has spoken highly of Lucas for a long time and been defending Henderson and Allen since they arrived.
There were a massive number of fans on KT who said we no longer needed Finnan after Josemi's first performance. How fortunate that nobody took them too seriously. This midfield trio worked wonderfully against Spurs but I'd expect them to struggle against City and perform strongly against the Chavs. None of that is evidence that Gerrard is no longer needed.
Have you got history with Gerrard or his family Macca?
Not a sarcastic question or anything..
Not a sarcastic question or anything..
I was wondering that too.
Not really. You do often get very emotional on the internet, but usually it's not to attack Liverpool players with comments like:
His strolling puffed up ball of self-regard has been a footballing black hole all season...
He gets by with a couple of good passes per match...
He walks around like a pensioner in the park...
Those words have nothing to do with worshipping or not worshipping a player unreservedly.
It's similar to the bollocks Ryan came out with about Dalglish that you detested.
Anyway, ignore this post if you're going to get all defensive and emotional again.
What on earth are you talking about? It was a gratuitous post designed, as they always are - he does the same 'emotional' routine over and over again, which, if you've got enough honesty to stand back and think about it, is more than a bit ironic - to start an argument, and, as usual, it's about two days late to pretend to be anything else. What the heck you're doing getting involved is a mystery.
Sent from the depths of your own tortured soul.
I really can't be arsed with this. It's a decent thread, this dispute is spoiling it.
I'd like both juniormember & gkmacca to put it to one side & comment only on this thread topic alone please.
I'd also ask anyone else to refrain from commenting on this dispute.
Cheers guys X
I'd like both juniormember & gkmacca to put it to one side & comment only on this thread topic alone please.
I'd also ask anyone else to refrain from commenting on this dispute.
Cheers guys X
Thanks macca, appreciated.
I shouldn't call you macca, it makes me picture Paul McCartney, which is never pleasant.
I shouldn't call you macca, it makes me picture Paul McCartney, which is never pleasant.
Yeah, I agree with that.
I think the situation is compounded by the fact we've never played without him for a long enough constant period to get a definitive judgement, & that he does still have that remarkable ability to do something at the most crucial moments in big games, which is something so few players can offer.
But is it so mysterious, Portly? No player is bigger than the club, but Gerrard became bigger than the team. That was down to his brilliance. But once the body starts to fail then something needs to change. I desperately wanted to believe him when he came back from his groin operation saying he felt fitter than he'd been in years, but gradually it got harder and harder to keep believing. As I've said, when someone has that talent and intelligence, there's always a potential role for him, but it has to be well-defined and integrated into the team shape as a whole. If Rodgers really works with him on playing a very specific role, tailored to his current stamina and strengths, then he can be the wise old head of the team and a great element within it for at least a couple more years. It's the 'Captain Marvel' stuff we need to lose. You can't be 'Captain Marvel-ish', There's just not the energy any more.
That sums up the issue nicely, & perhaps in doing so highlights what could be a fatal or at least major flaw for Rodgers.
In his understandable need to get the fans onside one of the main factors was to become a massive eulogist for Gerrard & to seemingly promise him the earth to do so.
It seems from the outside that it's meant he has to play Gerrard, & not just that, but play him in that pivotal role in the centre, which has pushed out Allen, reduced Henderson's influence on the match & hamstrung Lucas by having him share defensive duties for most of a match then have him cover more ground when stevie tires (I'd be interested to see how many yellow cards Lucas gets in a match time line, as I feel they're often late on when he's covering more ground).
An ideal would be to somehow mimic the setup molby had, as Gerrard does have that range of passing, & despite not having a massive arse to keep the opposition at bay, is strong enough & commands enough fear/respect to be able to put his foot on the ball.
Either that or a Gary macallister role is what he needs in order to justify a regular place if the rest of the midfield performs to a good standard with the energy they showed at the weekend.
In his understandable need to get the fans onside one of the main factors was to become a massive eulogist for Gerrard & to seemingly promise him the earth to do so.
It seems from the outside that it's meant he has to play Gerrard, & not just that, but play him in that pivotal role in the centre, which has pushed out Allen, reduced Henderson's influence on the match & hamstrung Lucas by having him share defensive duties for most of a match then have him cover more ground when stevie tires (I'd be interested to see how many yellow cards Lucas gets in a match time line, as I feel they're often late on when he's covering more ground).
An ideal would be to somehow mimic the setup molby had, as Gerrard does have that range of passing, & despite not having a massive arse to keep the opposition at bay, is strong enough & commands enough fear/respect to be able to put his foot on the ball.
Either that or a Gary macallister role is what he needs in order to justify a regular place if the rest of the midfield performs to a good standard with the energy they showed at the weekend.
Perhaps it would help if they took the captaincy off Gerrard. Sure, many fans would say that was unfair, but I thought it was pretty unfair when they took it off Sami Hyypia, who had never put a foot wrong. I don't think Gerrard has been an ideal captain. He just tends to carp at the others, particularly when he is having an off-day himself. Carra was much better at it when he deputised.
If Suarez stays I think it'll go to him for a season until he does go.
If Suarez goes I wouldn't be surprised to see Henderson get it.
He walks on the pitch for the England under 21s like he owns the place, & plays like it too, if he can get that confidence from the armband in the league he'll be a massive influence.
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