Oh Rosco , the oracle with a graph.
We don't need him. .
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Oh Rosco , the oracle with a graph.
We don't need anyone to win as we proved we can even win without Suarez, however it's daft to not want him in it.
Having said that for me Hendo has been our best midfielder this season
Having said that for me Hendo has been our best midfielder this season
No, we don't need him. And that's a good thing, because he's 33 and only going to get worse and pick up more injuries. Actually needing or relying on a player in that situation would be a dire state of affairs.
I'm glad we still have him. He is still a top player and still makes a valuable contribution but we always knew that we would see the day when we would have to look beyond him. The circumstance where we are now seeing that day is a lot better than most people thought it would be a few years ago.
I'm glad we still have him. He is still a top player and still makes a valuable contribution but we always knew that we would see the day when we would have to look beyond him. The circumstance where we are now seeing that day is a lot better than most people thought it would be a few years ago.
True. But both where very poor sides..
Don't get me wrong.. I love Gerrard, legend..
His set pieces this season have been good.. but he shouldn't start every game, just because he is the club captain, legend, etc..
There have been games this season where his performances have been way below par and he appears to go MIA..
Look, everyone knows that Gerrard has struggled this season and as said, a few good deliveries and assists don't begin to cover that up.
The problem with this thread is that it's posted the second after we record a great victory - it's just in bad taste. It might not have been the intention but it does feel like it's using the victory today to try and point score at Gerrard's expense and that doesn't sit right. It's got nothing to do with wanting Gerrard to hang around at the teams expense indefinitely.
The debate is a valid one. The midfield today performed admirably. But it's going to take more than one good game for me to a) start writing Gerrard out of our future and b) extolling the virtues of a midfield that quite frankly still owe us far more than what they've delivered today.
The problem with this thread is that it's posted the second after we record a great victory - it's just in bad taste. It might not have been the intention but it does feel like it's using the victory today to try and point score at Gerrard's expense and that doesn't sit right. It's got nothing to do with wanting Gerrard to hang around at the teams expense indefinitely.
The debate is a valid one. The midfield today performed admirably. But it's going to take more than one good game for me to a) start writing Gerrard out of our future and b) extolling the virtues of a midfield that quite frankly still owe us far more than what they've delivered today.
I Apologise if anyone felt that this thread is in bad taste.
It was actually meant in jest..
Kudos to @Rosco Suarez thread...
Anyway having said that it's been often documented by many on here Gerrard has been poor this season... Our midfield has been none existent in games.... Is Gerrard the weakest link?
Only time will tell.. but I have certainly been thinking it myself for a while
It was actually meant in jest..
Kudos to @Rosco Suarez thread...
Anyway having said that it's been often documented by many on here Gerrard has been poor this season... Our midfield has been none existent in games.... Is Gerrard the weakest link?
Only time will tell.. but I have certainly been thinking it myself for a while
Where as Rodgers has said he's going play in defense.
I guess it could be argued that winning carling cup is the equivalent of assist stat for managers.
Regardless, you were up in arms (I was with you then) against Ryan for tediously reiterating the same point thread after thread about Kenny. What you are doing is exactly the same.....you are a fucking joke mate. Accept some criticism like a man....we get your point yes Gerrard is not mobile enough, but its not his ego (as you clearly insinuate) that is not letting him be mobile enough.
Nah that's a waste.
The midfield was great today.
If Gerrard has to fight to get back into the team rather than being an automatic inclusion it can only be a good thing
If Gerrard has to fight to get back into the team rather than being an automatic inclusion it can only be a good thing
I thought Gerrard making a point of highlighting Henderson, not just at half time for a few minutes, but again eulogising him at full time, was a lovely thing to do.
He knows that this lad is playing in his place & if he carries on like this may well take it from him, yet didn't downplay his role at all.
He knows that this lad is playing in his place & if he carries on like this may well take it from him, yet didn't downplay his role at all.
You said we were better without suarez as well.
It's one game people. Good grief. Talk about knee jerk.
Don't get me wrong today was utterly fantastic, but to say we are clearly a better team without Stevie based on one game is crazy. And if people start throwing stats at this, please, save it. Stats can be used to show bloody anything, and anyone with any real world sense knows it's never quite as simple as that. They have their purpose, sure, but come on.
Let's all sack the scouts out there and buy players based on stats. Genius.
Don't get me wrong today was utterly fantastic, but to say we are clearly a better team without Stevie based on one game is crazy. And if people start throwing stats at this, please, save it. Stats can be used to show bloody anything, and anyone with any real world sense knows it's never quite as simple as that. They have their purpose, sure, but come on.
Let's all sack the scouts out there and buy players based on stats. Genius.
I just wish he would smile and look happy more often, against Palace you would of thought he had missed that penalty judging by his reaction, that sort of stuff can seep into the other players, it can't be good when you look towards your captain and seeing him looking like a miserable sod most of the time even when hes scored and were winning.
Hes still a massive player for us but agree he shouldn't automatically be guaranteed to start if others deserve to play aswell.
Hes still a massive player for us but agree he shouldn't automatically be guaranteed to start if others deserve to play aswell.
Perhaps next season he should be rested in the league, but start every european game. Pace and mobility are kids tools and if that's all we show up with in europe we will get durrrrd. Gerrard's two or three passes a game is the difference between winning a trophy and just taking part.
I've said elsewhere that, with his intelligence and his technique, he can still be a crucial player for us and we should drain every last drop of his genius, but two things have to happen. One is that he needs a precise role. At the moment he is doing a bit of everything, just like he used to, but a bit less of everything, because he lacks the old stamina and power. And that wrecks the rest of the midfield. Players are playing around him, and he isn't doing enough, regularly enough. If there's greater precision to what he does and the rest do, as Italy have with Pirlo, then great. Otherwise it's a godawful mess. The second thing is his attitude: he has to play for the team, the team can't play for him. He can't keep wandering around until the fancy takes him to go on a run. Beckham wrecked Gerrard's early England career by acting like that. And just as one shot going in obscured about 88 minutes of Beckham's wayward punts and misplaced passes, so one great ball or a fine assist has recently obscured Gerrard's painfully pedestrian and incoherent performances as a bit of a defensive midfielder, a bit of a central midfielder and a bit of an attacking midfielder, and a bit of a spectator. Come back and fit into a dynamic midfield, great. Come back to do the 'Gerrard role', no thanks.
It is easy to think that, but we should not lose sight of the fact that Spurs were quite sh*t in their organisation and defensive play. Against a more experienced side with a less confused manager (ie AVB) the three young ones may have struggled.
I couldn't help but think during today's performance that it could be the worst news for Steven. Granted we didn't get his delivery on set pieces or the intangibles he brings to the side...influencing the ref...etc. but our midfield was the best it has been this season. Running, winning back the ball, influencing play, running, and more running. Allen and Lego Head were brilliant. Lucas looked so comfortable just in front of the four.
My oh my...very intredasting.
My oh my...very intredasting.
Gerrard's a great player and he still has a season or two left in him.
BUT I've noticed for some time that when Stevie is out of the side, the rest of the midfielders play better. He seems to have some kind of inhibiting effect on his team-mates. Even going back to when he played alongside Alonso, when Stevie was out, Alonso always seemed to have a good game.
BUT I've noticed for some time that when Stevie is out of the side, the rest of the midfielders play better. He seems to have some kind of inhibiting effect on his team-mates. Even going back to when he played alongside Alonso, when Stevie was out, Alonso always seemed to have a good game.
Why? So what if he suffers a dip in form over a fair period and Daniel is banging them in for fun? It happens. Or if he throws a tantrum as he did over the summer? Short memories. He was the devil incarnate not long ago.
I hope to god none of the above ever occur/recur, but if they do, he's not guaranteed a start. But on current form, hell yeah of course he is.
I hope to god none of the above ever occur/recur, but if they do, he's not guaranteed a start. But on current form, hell yeah of course he is.
If the midfield plays well over the next month, like they did yesterday, and we pick up good results. Should he/will he just walk straight back into the starting lineup? Should he? Rodgers doesn't seem have a problem with dropping players not doing their job, or keeping players in the team that have earned their chance.
I think the captaincy is a problem. If he wasn't captain, I think he'd make him work for it and earn his place back in, but because he's the captain, I think he'll just waltz back in regardless.
I think the captaincy is a problem. If he wasn't captain, I think he'd make him work for it and earn his place back in, but because he's the captain, I think he'll just waltz back in regardless.
Indeed. No one player should ever be guaranteed a place.
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