What a shower of cunts last years team were then for the way they treated Moyes. Actually a Manc fan, who is a friend of mine, said that tonight
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What a shower of cunts last years team were then for the way they treated Moyes. Actually a Manc fan, who is a friend of mine, said that tonight
Jones didnt play well. He is a poor keeper and let in 3 of the 4 chances they created.
The central midfield again decided to not track back so when the defenders made their regular blunders it was easy for United to score.
We created some clear cut chances but rolled the ball to their goalies feet instead of putting it to the back of the net.
Loosing 3-0 against a piss poor United team is a shame.
We have no idea on how we should keep a clean sheet. Bournemouths strikers must really look forward to the game.
Do I take it that although you have been away, you have been lurking?
He is mrjohn.
James Ducker Northern Football Correspondent
Published 7 minutes ago
Brendan Rodgers said that he does “not feel any additional pressure” despite Liverpool’s defeat at Old Trafford increasing the scrutiny on him.
Yesterday’s 3-0 loss completed a miserable week for the Liverpool manager, whose team were eliminated from the Champions League by Basle on Tuesday and trail Manchester United by ten points.
Liverpool have won just two of their past 10 matches in all competitions, but despite condemning his team’s wastefulness against United, Rodgers vowed to address the club’s malaise.
“We had huge changes in the summer and that has taken time for us to find our way,” he said. “I do not feel any additional pressure. The most important thing [against United] was we looked like scoring. Over the season we haven’t been creative enough.
“I didn’t think it was a 3-0 game. I thought we were the better team in the first half, but we gave away disappointing goals. I think it tells you everything that their goalkeeper [David de Gea] was man of the match. Our creativity was good, probably the best all season.
“We had enough chances to get something and it epitomised what our season has been. We have nowhere near enough goals in the team and that has put pressure on the team. I’ll keep searching for the solutions.”
Jamie Carragher, speaking on Sky Sports, followed other former Liverpool players, such as Steve Nicol and Mark Lawrenson, by criticising the performances and questioned how long Fenway Sports Group, the club’s owner, would persist with such results.
“We’ve seen the owners are ruthless — they have a massive game with [the Capital One Cup quarter-final against] Bournemouth now,” he said. “The pressure is ramped up as you are expected to get results as Liverpool manager.”
Raheem Sterling and Mario Balotelli were denied on several occasions by De Gea, but while Rodgers said that Sterling will need a rest, he admitted that Liverpool were dependent on the England forward at the moment.
“I thought the kid [Sterling] was outstanding,” he said. “I asked him to play central where he could penetrate and come in short. He is a wonderful young player. There is a point where he will get a breather, but at the moment he is our main catalyst.”
Rodgers said Simon Mignolet, who was dropped for Brad Jones after a poor run of form, will face an “indefinite period” out of the team. “Simon has been fine, I spoke to him and he accepted it,” Rodgers said. “I said to Simon it was for an indefinite period. It is something that can happen to keepers, taking them out of the firing line and give them time to reflect.”
Published 7 minutes ago
Brendan Rodgers said that he does “not feel any additional pressure” despite Liverpool’s defeat at Old Trafford increasing the scrutiny on him.
Yesterday’s 3-0 loss completed a miserable week for the Liverpool manager, whose team were eliminated from the Champions League by Basle on Tuesday and trail Manchester United by ten points.
Liverpool have won just two of their past 10 matches in all competitions, but despite condemning his team’s wastefulness against United, Rodgers vowed to address the club’s malaise.
“We had huge changes in the summer and that has taken time for us to find our way,” he said. “I do not feel any additional pressure. The most important thing [against United] was we looked like scoring. Over the season we haven’t been creative enough.
“I didn’t think it was a 3-0 game. I thought we were the better team in the first half, but we gave away disappointing goals. I think it tells you everything that their goalkeeper [David de Gea] was man of the match. Our creativity was good, probably the best all season.
“We had enough chances to get something and it epitomised what our season has been. We have nowhere near enough goals in the team and that has put pressure on the team. I’ll keep searching for the solutions.”
Jamie Carragher, speaking on Sky Sports, followed other former Liverpool players, such as Steve Nicol and Mark Lawrenson, by criticising the performances and questioned how long Fenway Sports Group, the club’s owner, would persist with such results.
“We’ve seen the owners are ruthless — they have a massive game with [the Capital One Cup quarter-final against] Bournemouth now,” he said. “The pressure is ramped up as you are expected to get results as Liverpool manager.”
Raheem Sterling and Mario Balotelli were denied on several occasions by De Gea, but while Rodgers said that Sterling will need a rest, he admitted that Liverpool were dependent on the England forward at the moment.
“I thought the kid [Sterling] was outstanding,” he said. “I asked him to play central where he could penetrate and come in short. He is a wonderful young player. There is a point where he will get a breather, but at the moment he is our main catalyst.”
Rodgers said Simon Mignolet, who was dropped for Brad Jones after a poor run of form, will face an “indefinite period” out of the team. “Simon has been fine, I spoke to him and he accepted it,” Rodgers said. “I said to Simon it was for an indefinite period. It is something that can happen to keepers, taking them out of the firing line and give them time to reflect.”
Whilst not disagreeing with anything he says, James Ducker sounds like a facebook manc whose only interest is in how far utd are ahead of us. Yes James we are 10 points behind utd but we are 18 points behind the leaders and seven behind the CL places and seven points above the relegation spot.
Carrying an injury, maybe? Been a but of chatter about it.
I think he's fine well - obviously, an injury free run will help.
Rodgers identified him as a target early - if he was playing In behind Suarez & Sturridge - is like that.
Has he actually played with Sturridge yet?
Hopefully it's the injury, but there was a few of us in the match thread baffled by this awful decision.
You've either got it (Owen Fowler) at that age or you ain't.
a non hysterical take on the game by Michael Cox:
Manchester United and Liverpool are in very different situations, but Louis van Gaal and Brendan Rodgers made similar tactical decisions for their first meeting. Both managers selected a three-man defence and sprung a surprise in attack: James Wilson and Raheem Sterling were favoured for their sheer pace in preference to more established players such as Radamel Falcao and Mario Balotelli.
Both managers wanted their side to attack quickly, which created an end-to-end, direct game – neither team had sustained spells of pressure. United’s possession was atrocious at times, particularly in the opening stages, but they realised the need to involve their attacking players regularly.
Liverpool constantly looked for Sterling making runs into the channels and attempted through-balls as soon as they won possession. Such was the emphasis on breaking quickly, one of the defining features was the large number of tactical fouls to halt counterattacks. There were seven bookings.
Sterling’s selection up front was controversial but in terms of positioning and movement he played his role excellently, making intelligent runs behind the Manchester United defence and providing an outlet for Philippe Coutinho and Adam Lallana’s passes. His unconvincing prod at the outstanding David de Gea shortly before Wayne Rooney’s opener was a game-changing moment. Sterling’s finishing must improve but it’s difficult to imagine Mario Balotelli or Rickie Lambert would have provided such a threat. Liverpool had a clear plan of attack, which often hasn’t been the case this season.
Liverpool’s attacking approach involved Raheem Sterling in behind, while Antonio Valencia attacked past Alberto Moreno, exposing Joe Allen’s defensive deficiencies for the opener Photograph: Graphic
The match was settled by the quality of finishing and the quality of goalkeeping. Between the boxes this was a scrappy, uninspiring mess of a match. There were two massive contrasts – the coolness of United’s shooting compared with the timid nature of Sterling’s attempts, and Brad Jones’s strange habit of diving early, compared with De Gea’s imposing, commanding stance in one-on-one situations.
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Aside from the penalty boxes, the only zone where United unquestionably had an advantage was down their right, where Antonio Valencia made powerful runs from wing-back, often after his direct opponent Alberto Moreno found himself out of the game, with Joe Allen forced to drop back and cover. The Welshman’s defending for the goal, and throughout, was terrible – he was another to be cautioned, for a blatant body-check on Valencia, which summarised his struggles in those confrontations.
Still, there remains plenty for United to improve. The back three – who were completely changed from the trio who started the previous league game against Southampton – were caught square and beaten too often by one simple pass, while the lack of a holding midfielder meant United were unable to shut down the game.
The tactical battle does not always translate neatly into a result and Liverpool simply lacked the killer instinct they depended on so heavily last season. For all the emphasis on pressing, buildup play and transitions in modern coaching, sometimes it’s simply the quality of finishing that proves crucial.
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If a picture paints a thousand words.
What about Suarez?
They were strikers from the off though. Sterling is / was a winger.
Besides, everyone was going on about Suarez being a crap finisher when he first joined. They he scored over 50 goals in the next two seasons.
That image of Mata standing offside for the 2nd goal.
Sure he's offside n all, but the bit that gets me are our 5 defenders standing completely still looking at each other. Even before Mata gets there, Van Persie wins the header in the centre of the box completely unchallenged. How? How does that continually happen? 5 defenders and yet their striker is still the first to react.
And then Mata reacts quickest again. It's so reflective of our reactive state of defending. Always second, always being outwitted, always reactive.
Sure he's offside n all, but the bit that gets me are our 5 defenders standing completely still looking at each other. Even before Mata gets there, Van Persie wins the header in the centre of the box completely unchallenged. How? How does that continually happen? 5 defenders and yet their striker is still the first to react.
And then Mata reacts quickest again. It's so reflective of our reactive state of defending. Always second, always being outwitted, always reactive.
Yup..I thought Fowler/Owen were exceptions to the rule Look at Drogba, C. Ronaldo. In fact one of the criticisms of C. Ronaldo which I remember was that he was a show pony with tricks with no end product.
I agree with almost all of that though I think it might be a little harsh on Moreno and a little generous on Coutinho.
Rodgers was not a 7 - regardless of Lallana. He's said for several weeks we need to be harder to beat - he puts Lucas in for several games, the guy performs well and we look far more difficult to break down. We come up against a team having won five in a row, we know they're loaded at the front end, we're going to their place and we don't start the most obvious link to our recently more solid performances at the back. That right there is just about worth an internal investigation.
I've already said elsewhere that IMO Rooney doesn't score the first if Lucas is playing. That first goal for them was massive cause up to that point they had absolutely nothing - we were dominating them. The first goal was a turning point but the real crux was our most solid defensive midfielder sitting on the bench.
We do understand that you make most of your posts to attract attention rather than add to a discussion but even you're not this obstinate. The fact that a huge amount of criticism being piled on one of your poster boys in Joe Allen has incited your comments is no real surprise.
I'm sure we'd all be more than happy to hear you argue that a top keeper and a fit striker who genuinely puts the ball in the net would not have been a massive impact on our season thus far.
I'm a little confused. Ryan used to defend BR and hail him as a great manager. Is this not the case anymore?
As for Allen, unfortunately well into his 3rd season with us, I'm yet to see something in him that makes him more than an average midfielder. He seems to have a very limited set of tools which can probably be summarized in: running and energy. I'm yet to see creativity, flair, goals and defending (although he treis he's too easily gets shaken off the ball and has to foul). It might be due to him being played out of position (?), in a wrong formation (?), with the wrong partners or god knows what. The bottom line is that so far he's been very disappointing.
As for what we're missing in the team, I agree that Mignolet has a lot of issues, but the single burning issue is the lack of quality strikers. With Suarez and Sturridge this current team would have been a top 3 team this season. Even with a couple of decent strikers we could have been top 4. But when our midfielders know that there's nobody up there who's a threat on goal, they start dribblind and passing between them and backwards, lose the ball and create pressue on our (not very good) backline.
As for Allen, unfortunately well into his 3rd season with us, I'm yet to see something in him that makes him more than an average midfielder. He seems to have a very limited set of tools which can probably be summarized in: running and energy. I'm yet to see creativity, flair, goals and defending (although he treis he's too easily gets shaken off the ball and has to foul). It might be due to him being played out of position (?), in a wrong formation (?), with the wrong partners or god knows what. The bottom line is that so far he's been very disappointing.
As for what we're missing in the team, I agree that Mignolet has a lot of issues, but the single burning issue is the lack of quality strikers. With Suarez and Sturridge this current team would have been a top 3 team this season. Even with a couple of decent strikers we could have been top 4. But when our midfielders know that there's nobody up there who's a threat on goal, they start dribblind and passing between them and backwards, lose the ball and create pressue on our (not very good) backline.
Ryan's not alone in liking Joe Allen. I do too and I don't think he's been any worse than most around him.
Jimmy's second para.above actually explains the problems Allen's been having - ditto Coutinho BTW. Both are players who need movement around and ahead of them to operate successfully, and that's been conspicuous by its absence this season.
Jimmy's second para.above actually explains the problems Allen's been having - ditto Coutinho BTW. Both are players who need movement around and ahead of them to operate successfully, and that's been conspicuous by its absence this season.
Yeah, we've hammered away and hammered away at the movement issue for months JJ. I said from the start of the season that I couldn't understand why BR had not chosen to try and replace at least one of the qualities Suarez demonstrated last season; goals, movement, pressing, guile.
Instead we had Balotelli who's idea of movement was that he receive the ball as a target man, all our attackers run past him to get into threatening positions so as to have a better view as Mario launches one from 40 yards. It was for this reason I thought Borini would be an option - his movement is constant. What we found was that his movement is pointless as it doesn't end in goals, assists or even, in general, possession.
As for helping Allen. I actually kind of like Allen; neat and tidy, works hard and keeps the ball moving. But - and I wait to be corrected here - I reckon his assists would be in single digits and his goals....I can't remember one.
The players who are struggling the most with the lack of movement are Gerrard, Coutinho and - to a lesser extent - Henderson. Allen keeps the ball moving very nicely but mostly in midfield. He's very rarely using the movement of our front three unless they come back to him to receive it.
Coutinho might be struggling with the movement in front of him, however it doesn't explain why he over hits passes consistently.
If he can't learn that the movement isn't coming, try and retain possession
Look at this game. Markovic gets the ball from left back (urgh), runs up field and expertly weights a pass to Mario (who WAS making the run)
The movement is there still, it's just not perpetual motion like Suarez gave us.
Hell , even having 2 up top would help as it would give more options. Last season he had Sturridge OR Suarez to aim at. This year, just a solitary striker
If he can't learn that the movement isn't coming, try and retain possession
Look at this game. Markovic gets the ball from left back (urgh), runs up field and expertly weights a pass to Mario (who WAS making the run)
The movement is there still, it's just not perpetual motion like Suarez gave us.
Hell , even having 2 up top would help as it would give more options. Last season he had Sturridge OR Suarez to aim at. This year, just a solitary striker
I think it was the opposite of rational.
It's a category of signing that we shouldn't let any manager make - the player he worked with before and is being quoted at twice his value.
But he's rarely using it because it isn't there to *be* used, though I agree the others are also victims of this to varying degrees. I'm afraid Fabs' highlighting of one example - an accurate one, true enough - actually underlines the point, because there are so few such examples to choose from.
I don't remember him using it that often last season either Jules. Again, I could be wrong but that's not what I remember.
To me Allen is someone who thinks well ahead of time what the options are when he's on the ball but he's not a particularly quick thinker. What I mean is that when he has to play what's unfolding in front of him I don't think he spots it as quickly as others.
His touch and control are excellent, his tenacity is first rate, his energy is tremendous. What he lacks, IMO, is being able to really break up the oppositions play or provide a true threat on goal.
To me Allen is someone who thinks well ahead of time what the options are when he's on the ball but he's not a particularly quick thinker. What I mean is that when he has to play what's unfolding in front of him I don't think he spots it as quickly as others.
His touch and control are excellent, his tenacity is first rate, his energy is tremendous. What he lacks, IMO, is being able to really break up the oppositions play or provide a true threat on goal.
I think your last paragraphs summs things accurately.
Since Allen is not very good in either breaking the opposition attacks or creating goal threats and score them himself, he can only be the 4 th player in a MF whose other members can do BOTH - a useful addition to a functioning midfield rather than its heart.
Since we don't have such players (bar Sterling and maybe Lallana), a player like Allen seems to be a luxury.
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