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You might be able to argue that regarding the midfield in isolation, but when you compare it to other areas of the squad - as you must, when resources are limited - then yes, it was a luxury signing. Our midfield options might have only been adequate, but our attacking options were dire.
I'm fairly certain that Rodgers was convinced he would have got more financial backing to strengthen the front line especially when he was certain that Carroll was leaving but he didn't so it's all if's and but's.
 
That the signing at the time looked stupid but worked in the long term.
Joe Allen is 22 so it will more than likely turn out good value in the long term ala Johnson.

Ah, but compared to what? What if over the last 3.5 years we had Arbeloa performing well at right back *and*, say, Stevan Jovetic bought for £15m banging them in up front?

Do you entertain the possibility that we might have been better off?

I do, a lot.
 
Ah, but compared to what? What if over the last 3.5 years we had Arbeloa performing well at right back *and*, say, Stevan Jovetic bought for £15m banging them in up front?

Do you entertain the possibility that we might have been better off?

I do, a lot.
Of course we would be better off but you could do the same with 99% of transfers.
 
No you can't. The differential of (£20m??) we paid for Johnson over Arbeloa in terms of fees and salary was IMO a bad, bad, deal, all things being equal. Those resources could *clearly* have been put to better use.

Therefore I think it's a bad argument to cite it in defence of the Allen signing, another deal whose resources could, IMO, *clearly* have been put to better use.
 
That's easy to say though.
The better use argument only works if you sign a good player with the same money.
Which is easier said than done.
 
Using that logic you'd never criticise any signing ever. Aquilani for £17m? Well, it's easy to say that was a bad signing, but you'd have to have been sure of spending the money on a good player to make that argument stand up. Easier said than done!
 
Arbeloa wanted to leave and return to Spain, so its a hopeless example.

What if Dossena wasnt shit or Aurelio wasnt made of glass, would we have had a decent left back in that periode then? Yes we would.

Allen wasnt a luxury signing. Its one for the future but also a player that impressed greatly last year and could go straight into the first team. Adding Sahin could be seen as a luxury signing.

We had Lucas out injured and Gerrard had up until this season been a bit part player for almost 2 years.
We needed a midfielder.

Allen is already very good but will only improve. Its a shame some are so fickle that they judge a young player after 4 months.
He'll be an integral part of our rise to the top, so you'll just have to get used to him.
 
Arbeloa wanted to leave and return to Spain, so its a hopeless example.

What if Dossena wasnt shit or Aurelio wasnt made of glass, would we have had a decent left back in that periode then? Yes we would.

Allen wasnt a luxury signing. Its one for the future but also a player that impressed greatly last year and could go straight into the first team. Adding Şahin could be seen as a luxury signing.

We had Lucas out injured and Gerrard had up until this season been a bit part player for almost 2 years.
We needed a midfielder.

Allen is already very good but will only improve. Its a shame some are so fickle that they judge a young player after 4 months.
He'll be an integral part of our rise to the top, so you'll just have to get used to him.

Did we also need a striker?

A winger?

Which was the greater need?

Which of the three could therefore be considered the most luxurious option?

Why am I bothering?
 
Didnt we have 1 winger and 1 striker lined up aswell though?
The intention was to get all 3 in.

Dont know why you bother 🙂
 
Didn't he know we were selling Carroll? Shouldn't there be some attention paid to the order of priority when making signings?

Didn't we have Lucas, Henderson, Suso, Spearing, Gerrard, Shelvey all capable of filling in in midfield??

Isn't it just fucking blindingly obvious which need was greater??
 
Did we also need a striker?

A winger?

Which was the greater need?

Which of the three could therefore be considered the most luxurious option?

Why am I bothering?
To be fair, I think (we all think) that Rodgers thought he had a striker pretty much nailed (Dempsey) until FSG shat on him.
 
Allen may well come good and be a superb signing but Peter is correct other areas should have been strengthened first.

As I have said before he should have bought a winger or top class striker as his main priority.
 
1. We bought Borini
2. We were going to replace Carroll with Dempsey/Sturridge

Of course it was a greater need to adress the striker situation.
But seeing as we fucked it up on the last day of the transfer window we looked like mugs.

Regarding in which order we signed players that could be down to the negotiations with the respective clubs.
Allen had a release clause which made that easier.
Fulham and Chelsea were demanding ridiculous fees for a long time.
 
Oh, and if he had gone to Spurs/Utd we'd be crying in our sleep in about 3 years when he's fucking ace over what could have been, as usual.
 
I don't particularly buy this line that Rodgers was somehow betrayed by FSG. I think he knew perfectly well that money was tight - he's on record as saying so, after all. Essentially he gambled on being able to sell Carroll. It was as much his fault as anyone's that he couldn't sign a striker, and the major factor was spending the money on Joe Allen.
 
He makes exceptionally valid points does the hague


but im still happy we bought allen. i like him
 
I don't particularly buy this line that Rodgers was somehow betrayed by FSG. I think he knew perfectly well that money was tight - he's on record as saying so, after all. Essentially he gambled on being able to sell Carroll. It was as much his fault as anyone's that he couldn't sign a striker, and the major factor was spending the money on Joe Allen.
Whether or not FSG fucked him over, we'll never know. But the point is he had Dempsey pretty much lined up. His intention was obviously to bring both players to Anfield. The order in which he did it shouldn't matter a shite. As Hansern said, the order pretty much depends on the other club(s).
 
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