Actually Aspas was a good player - both before joining us and after (in Spain) it's the middle bit that weirdly fell apart (tactics, league who knows).
How good is this team?
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Nah that was unlucky, the actual (free) signing was good and he was great initially. Injuries fucked us (and him).
A matter of perception. Beginning of the season and now at the end. A bit like Klopp's tenure.
Yet you cant stop coming back can you ? It’s like a dopamine addiction this place. Ive tried to log off a million times but then I see a post like this I have to comment. I hate myself for it sometimes.
I’ve said it before. This year and next 6CM will see everyone turning into a loon.
Mods please delete my account. Pleaseeeee.
I’ve said it before. This year and next 6CM will see everyone turning into a loon.
Mods please delete my account. Pleaseeeee.
We signed him for £27 million and gave him £200/k a week for someone who was 6ish years older than the normal demographic we’d be looking at. All round it was a luxury we didn’t need. We needed to be looking at replacing Milner and Hendo.
I’d like to think we could see we were better than Chelsea and scum. They had awful transfer strategies.
We were always going to be top 3 (I didn’t see Villa making top 4!). We also had the benefit of being in the europa league which meant we could rotate more compared to Arsenal and City.
The opportunity was there. We don’t take it.
Ah OK initial fee £20m. But still worth it for a world class player - we saw in quite a few matches how brilliant he could be. Unfortunately his best mate was Keita who taught him some new tricks.
Yep - the progress feels muddled, which is why this thread exists. We started better than anyone thought possible, we've had bad injuries with kids stepping up to first-team players and then imploded when the previously good players returned. The fact we look shit for 75 minutes and turn it on in the last 15 minutes so regularly makes it even more difficult to sum up this squad. I'd say finishing third to two very good and more established squads feels about right, but the journey to get here is all over the place.
Both were well versed in those tricks.
I know right… we won fuck all with them!!!!
In spite of them.
Playing about 10% of our games.
It should be obvious who were the winners and who were the passengers just tagging along, have a look at the players who really pushed us to success, you'll see the same names pop up when we beat Bayern, Barca, Spurs, City, Roma and the rest.
I come back just in case something interesting is posted, but when the forum is in this mood, I tend to scroll through every thread barely reading them
I don't. Of course that's a good point. But weigh that up against the cost of destabilizing a major title tilt. Which would you pick?
We really have had a mixed season. I remember the first time we went on top of table, it was games that were didn't deserve to win that we bagged 3 points pushed us up. We could get the points but the game wasn't there, and these conversations of not playing well have been there throughout despite us getting the points. It feels a loss now because in the middle of this chaos we started believing. Suddenly quadruple was in our sights but the weakness in the team was still there.
Of course Klopp making the announcement didn't help but that's not the real reason because we kept on winning after that. The weakness was bound to come out and did so against big clubs. ManC, ManU, Arsenal etc.
Atalanta played us man to man football and the other managers saw what they couldn't see all along.
Yeah really well said. What I like about SLOT on paper is that he does work with what we have. I have a good feeling about this appointment. A managerial name means nothing if they're totally changing the system.
And yes, it's all about expectations. We are all sky high now, so we are fecking disappointed. BUT, if take the August expectations, we'd think this was a good season, considering the midfield REBOOT
Plumbing? I assume you mean it's minor and necessary, as opposed to what plumbing is, which is simple, but extremely costly if unaddressed for a long time. By the second definition I'm in agreement. The way we concede goals and can't start a game in any measure of control is the norm this season and just doesn't reflect a team capable of winning a title.
There are quite a few significant players on a renewal this year. If we lied to them and then they were here on a new contract, entirely unmotivated and disillusioned then that's a pretty nice formula for a poisoned chalice. It's also just plainly unethical.
The wheels were off by the time I came back.
I'm not sure. I think my obligation would be to the club and the fans and winning the league. BUT, it's a tough one he ultimately helped planning for Arne. I just think it didn't help the title tilt. And I think players careers would have been just fine with a PL title under their belt.
I think it helped and it hurt but it was never ever going to happen barring some luck with injuries and worse luck for other teams.
Whatever you can say about klopp, he isn't lucky. He's had to fight for everything.
I would like history to remember him as one of our greatest Managers who won us three (3) titles, but twice the trophies never reached our cabinet, mugged by a cheating club.
If the 115 charges stick, the only justice the FA could do is strip them the titles and hand to #2 in those years.
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