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Yes Gerrard is only at fault for not being man enough to slap Allen back into his place. Earlier in the season he was getting through some ridiculous and pointless lung-bursting runs to track a no-mark midfielder. And then for the next 2 minutes he's fucked and out of breath, and you can fully understand why he doesn't want the ball. So he isn't paying enough attention to the game at this moment, then all of a sudden the spineless cunts in our team pass the ball to him and he's like what the fuck, oh shit what do I do now I better look around. A misplaced pass leads to a goal and people are saying he's past it and needs to be dropped.

Fuck Rodgers. Fuck Allen.
 
Today it was Gerrard who hunted Sunderland down, bent them over, and raped the fuck out of them for an hour. Allen was the one sneaked onto the field like a vulture and joined in for some easy pickings and to claim some glory for himself.
 
dantes said:
Today it was Gerrard who hunted Sunderland down, bent them over, and raped the fuck out of them for an hour. Allen was the one sneaked onto the field like a vulture and joined in for some easy pickings and to claim some glory for himself.
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Gerrard did exactly that.

But what you're saying about Allen is total bollocks.
 
Perhaps as that is a matter of opinion. But it stems from my fear that Allen has probably conned Rodgers into giving him a start after his little cameo. And it is in our next game we badly need Gerrard at his best, and not to revert back to misplaced passes and invite an almighty ass-whooping.
 
mark1975 said:
Top class? That's more than stretching it. As Gene said, it was nice to see him given the encouragement tonight to go on without the shackles and against tired legs to try and grab a goal and a must needed confidence boost. Fair play to Rodgers for managing players well like that, taking them out of the firing line and then trying to pick and choose carefully when to introduce them again. But let's not get carried away, like Hendo, he's young, lacking in any real outstanding quality as a footballer but with a bit of indulgence and perseverance he may well develop into a cracking team player and squad member that will learn the basics of our game and become the kind of United-esque lad who will fit into the side and do a no-nonsense job keeping things simple and ticking over. Let's not pretend he's some prodigious talent shackled by being played slightly deeper than he's used to, because he isn't. He's very much in the mould of Hendo and Lucas, tidy player who'll contribute and has a decent enough chance of developing into a good performer.

That's about it on current evidence.
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which begs the question , did we really need him ? For 15m he should be more than a decent squad option in the long term ,
 
He was great yesterday, I know it was a dejected Sunderland side, but he came on and play some great passes, played a great pass to Suarez which nearly gave him an assist, had a certain goal blocked last ditch and had a goal disallowed, what more can you expect from 30 minutes, give the guy a break, he's not Suarez. Personally I liked the look of him playing behind the striker.
 
Mark has nailed it in earlier post.

He did well when he came on yesterday and was involved.

But id like to see a bit more than half an hour against a tiring Sunderland before I get carried away. We've just put up with 3 months of shite from him.

Lets see where he goes from here. As I said earlier in thread, happy to be proven wrong.
 
Joe Allen is only 22 and at his first super club. Give the lad time to settle and learn. He'll do well for us.
 
mark1975 said:
Top class? That's more than stretching it. As Gene said, it was nice to see him given the encouragement tonight to go on without the shackles and against tired legs to try and grab a goal and a must needed confidence boost. Fair play to Rodgers for managing players well like that, taking them out of the firing line and then trying to pick and choose carefully when to introduce them again. But let's not get carried away, like Hendo, he's young, lacking in any real outstanding quality as a footballer but with a bit of indulgence and perseverance he may well develop into a cracking team player and squad member that will learn the basics of our game and become the kind of United-esque lad who will fit into the side and do a no-nonsense job keeping things simple and ticking over. Let's not pretend he's some prodigious talent shackled by being played slightly deeper than he's used to, because he isn't. He's very much in the mould of Hendo and Lucas, tidy player who'll contribute and has a decent enough chance of developing into a good performer.

That's about it on current evidence.
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I reckon thats being a bit harsh. He was different class in the first couple of months of the season.

He reminds me of Scholes how he sees the game, but obviously doesn't have the same shooting or scoring ability. Maybe that will come but I'm not holding my breath. However, I'd deffo put him ahead of Henderson and (when we are playing in the opponents half) Lucas
 
Well I guess he proved last night that he is not the one who should dictate the pace of the game, and rather let himself flow in with it.

I think it will be a close call between him and Hendo on Old Toilet. Maybe we should reintruduce the Sehlveynator for that particular game. Imagine the hunger he and Luis will have to destroy the fuckheds.
 
RolandG said:
Joe Allen is only 22 and at his first super club. Give the lad time to settle and learn. He'll do well for us.
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Nah that would only make sense.
This thread will be bumped the next time we lose a game.
The nae sayers were saying it was a cameo against a tired shitty Sunderland side while completely dismissing the fact that Allen for the first time was given a chance in his favored advanced midfield role(which Ryan pointed out as his favored position since day one).
Didn't see to many sideways passing last night either but I did see him move the ball forward at speed whilst moving into clever pockets.
But might as well dismiss it as he's Joe Sideways eh?
 
I'm pretty sure a higher position is much more suited for Allen, and last night was 'some' evidence of that. He doesn't have the range to be a really effective passer from deep, but higher up, his excellent touch and intelligence is a good attribute to have. If he plays there regularly, he's going to be excellent IMO. At Swansea, he was in fact quite effective at carrying the ball as well, which is something he hasn't gotten the chance to show here yet.
 
well if the advanced midfield role is his favourite position and where he played for swansea then it will be interesting to see what he offers cause it won't be goals, he got 6 in three seasons for them .
 
I think Allen is a talented player with a nice middle class accent, but my one misgiving at the time was whether he was really *that* much better than Lucas and Henderson to be spending £15m on when we had one decent striker and zero decent wingers.

He isn't, so it can hardly be considered a sound investment.
 
peterhague said:
I think Allen is a talented player with a nice middle class accent, but my one misgiving at the time was whether he was really *that* much better than Lucas and Henderson to be spending £15m on when we had one decent striker and zero decent wingers.

He isn't, so it can hardly be considered a sound investment.
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At the time was Johnson a 15 million better player than Arbeloa?
He might be now but at the time it seemed a stupid deal.
 
fair enough , goals aren't everything but modric is obviously much stronger at dictating play than allen .

and i don't think modric was half as advanced as some people here seem to believe allen was . I reckon most didn't even see him play that often and have just convinced themselves of this . fuck i mean Rodgers was his manager and this was the first time in over 25 games that he pushed him into this position for us.
 
Leo said:
Luka Modric scored 13 goals in 4 years for Spurs in almost the same position.
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That doesn't make it ok though, Modric created alot more by his movement and his ability than Allen looks likely to.

Peter just nailed it anyway, it was a bit of a luxury signing really, the money could have been better invested elsewhere at the time.
 
mark1975 said:
That doesn't make it ok though, Modric created alot more by his movement and his ability than Allen looks likely to.

Peter just nailed it anyway, it was a bit of a luxury signing really, the money could have been better invested elsewhere at the time.
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Was it really a luxury though.
He basically had Spearing,an injury prone Gerrard,Lucas off the back of a serious knee injury and a player in Henderson who looked out of his depth at the time.
 
Leo said:
Was it really a luxury though.
He basically had Spearing,an injury prone Gerrard,Lucas off the back of a serious knee injury and a player in Henderson who looked out of his depth at the time.
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You might be able to argue that regarding the midfield in isolation, but when you compare it to other areas of the squad - as you must, when resources are limited - then yes, it was a luxury signing. Our midfield options might have only been adequate, but our attacking options were dire.
 
peterhague said:
I think Allen is a talented player with a nice middle class accent, but my one misgiving at the time was whether he was really *that* much better than Lucas and Henderson to be spending £15m on when we had one decent striker and zero decent wingers.

He isn't, so it can hardly be considered a sound investment.
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lol
 
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