Don't blame him either. If I knew I could only be in an industry for 10 odd years, I'd try and maximize my fortune too.
Plus he was a bit of a meh signing for me anyway.
Plus he was a bit of a meh signing for me anyway.
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For 9m & 45k a week I'd say he was about the right level for the wage tbh.
As Woland stated earlier, he, & a few other players no doubt this summer, are victims of previous fuck ups with fees & salaries.
That said, a bit of wage structure like utd use so well going forwards would be good for the longer term. Apparently Welbeck is on 15k a wk, rooney 200k. Your contracted salary is dictated by your proven level before joining or in the previous seasons if coming through. It's subjective of course, but assures you don't pay a no mark 70k a week but could pay a cl winner 150k should you wish to & have the funds.
As Woland stated earlier, he, & a few other players no doubt this summer, are victims of previous fuck ups with fees & salaries.
That said, a bit of wage structure like utd use so well going forwards would be good for the longer term. Apparently Welbeck is on 15k a wk, rooney 200k. Your contracted salary is dictated by your proven level before joining or in the previous seasons if coming through. It's subjective of course, but assures you don't pay a no mark 70k a week but could pay a cl winner 150k should you wish to & have the funds.
What a twisted way to look at it.
Repost from another thread:
Dilemma: We have many mediocre overpaid players and we cannot get new better younger players in for less unless we match wages.
Solution: Start from zero to rebuild by getting rid of all players earning more than 20k pw (except Gerrard, Suarez). Fire sale!
Result: We may win something in a decade.
Question: Are we happy with that?
Dilemma: We have many mediocre overpaid players and we cannot get new better younger players in for less unless we match wages.
Solution: Start from zero to rebuild by getting rid of all players earning more than 20k pw (except Gerrard, Suarez). Fire sale!
Result: We may win something in a decade.
Question: Are we happy with that?
Well a) how much did he ask for? Do you know? Or are you believing the speculation? b) It's not being ruled by past errors, it's learning lessons from previous mistakes and applying that lesson c) Rodgers thinks he should be on a certain wage and not willing to accept anything else, something wrong with allowing a manager to make that decision?
Or that he doesn't have the mentality to be a small fish in a big pond and rather stay as a big fish in a small pond. After all what big clubs has he played for?
Spurs is a big side. The biggest he will have played for.
I don't think that'll be the reason. Otherwise he could have simply signed for Swansea.
Your comments are all based on you knowing what Rogders is thinking. Fact is none of know what went on.
All of the above.
I don't know but fuck him!
edit: May win something AFTER a decade.... happy?
We kinda do that already Jon, so I don't think it's the right way to go about it. I hate the idea of "proven" - footballers are way too variable to think in that manner.
I think you have to try to project what you're going to get from a player, it's far from an exact science but it helps identify obvious risks. Basically consider the player realistically, look at past players with similar profiles - look at what they did in the same age as your own player will be during the proposed contract. Consider all the factors that are similar between the player and the others with similar profiles and what might make him differ from them. Consider generally known information and known risks with the player.
A recent example - Torres proved he was a 20 league goals a season striker with us. When it came to whether or not to sell him, those in the "he's a proven goalscorer" camp obviously wanted to keep him. Anyone who considered him in the manner above thought .... well what players would profile similar:
Broke on the scene at 17, scored goals at a high level from early on, relies on great pace / physical gifts. Has played a lot of games already despite being in mis mid twenties. And Fowler and Owen came to mind - both faded badly in the second half of their twenties and so has Torres.
Obviously it's pretty difficult to do with Gylfi - we've got less years of information to accurately assess him as a player and it's more difficult to come up with players with similar profiles. But what we do know is he's shown he can play in the Premiership, he's done that already in his early twenties. His peak is still ahead of him. I don't know all that much about him, but there doesn't appear to be any major risks with him - he's not a lunatic/pisshead/ jail risk. If the budget stretches that far I'd be willing to give him 60k a week for 5 years. In year 3 then we can take stock and see what he's become and determine whether he's worth an extension or not.
We're on our 4th manager in 2 years. Clubs always end up with a pile of trash in the dressing room when managers come and go. Good ones use it as an excuse to get off and shit ones stay, managers who are at the club a short period of time are sacked because they made the wrong decisions in the transfer market... that's why our squad is bollocks. Under Rafa you could look at our starting 11 and say it was as good as anything else it could face in the world. The problem with it was it was like Jenga - remove one piece and the whole thing comes tumbling down. We had a brilliant first team and no squad to back it up. That's why we could twat the mancs and madrid but get beat in the middle by Boro when we rested a few.
Since then we've lost loads of them, including Torres, Alonso, Masch, and Arbeloa
Before they left, in my lifetime there was only Keegan and McManaman who'd ever left Liverpool and gone and achieved something anywhere else. Who'd had careers that weren't worse than what they would have had if they'd stayed. But we've lost all these players who can pick which team they want to play for, regularly get into major finals, Torres and Masch have won the CL since, three have won a world cup, three have won La Liga - and on top of this we lost other players who I'd pick like Benayoun and Riera - and replaced them with utter shit that would struggle to get a game at Everton. Somehow - the wage bill has gone up. It's as if someone was asked to make a massive tits of the club, they couldn't have done a better job.
And then we get a player that the manager wants and who will improve this clusterfucking mess, and we lose out because we're controlled by reptiles who's sole interest in the club is raising the amount and cost of corporate facilities.
Forgive me if I don't think that this is a sign of great new fiscal responsibility. It's a sign that we're turning into Everton.
Since then we've lost loads of them, including Torres, Alonso, Masch, and Arbeloa
Before they left, in my lifetime there was only Keegan and McManaman who'd ever left Liverpool and gone and achieved something anywhere else. Who'd had careers that weren't worse than what they would have had if they'd stayed. But we've lost all these players who can pick which team they want to play for, regularly get into major finals, Torres and Masch have won the CL since, three have won a world cup, three have won La Liga - and on top of this we lost other players who I'd pick like Benayoun and Riera - and replaced them with utter shit that would struggle to get a game at Everton. Somehow - the wage bill has gone up. It's as if someone was asked to make a massive tits of the club, they couldn't have done a better job.
And then we get a player that the manager wants and who will improve this clusterfucking mess, and we lose out because we're controlled by reptiles who's sole interest in the club is raising the amount and cost of corporate facilities.
Forgive me if I don't think that this is a sign of great new fiscal responsibility. It's a sign that we're turning into Everton.
Whats that? Get some form of match fixing vibe going in order to bring the players closer together?
Just a word of warning about RAWK: according to my anti-virus software they've got a trojan lurking there at the moment.
Not really, no.
Not really no ? So you believe what you read in forums or in the press ? Because officially he hasn't even made a decision, yet you seem to know the bottom line.
I think you're reading too much in to it.
Funny that, I think that was Froggy's point too.
Nah, I was just asking questions, he read too much into it.
Celtic are also monitoring the situation of Norwegian midfielder Markus Henriksen, who is high on their summer shopping list.
The 19-year-old is available for £2.5m from Rosenborg but the SPL champions have yet to make a move as Lennon surveys his options.
Henriksen, however, spent most of yesterday locked in talks with Rosenborg sporting director Erik Hoftun to discuss a fresh offer for his services. So the Hoops could miss out, with Germans Hamburg also firmly in the chase.
Celtic's scouts aren't that far behind Newcastle's in plucking out very good players for a reasonable price: Kayal - Undisclosed (believed to be around 700k), Izaguirre - 600k, Wanyama - £900k, Hooper - £2.4m, Ki - £2.1m, Ledley - Free, Forster - Loan, Adam Matthews - Free.
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