Yup. I don't understand the selection yesterday or the lack of early subs. Odd.
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Yup. I don't understand the selection yesterday or the lack of early subs. Odd.
I'm going to give Slot the benefit of the doubt he's earned it. But if the squad falls away, like it did last year, then they'll be some legitimate criticism he will have to deal with. I suspect he's ensuring we are mathematically safe, which means we avoid two games of intense footie, and should rotate heavier in the next rounds of the CL.
Gravenberch is my only real area of concern. His refusal to use Endo more is maddening and high risk, given what's at stake.
Gravenberch is my only real area of concern. His refusal to use Endo more is maddening and high risk, given what's at stake.
He's been doing it all season long. There's either some thought behind it or Slot is displaying his insecurities.
By that I mean that he doesn't trust most of the bench players. It's pretty evident that there's a core group he trusts and this core group are the ones that have played every game this season with slight rotation.
According to Transfermarkt, we've played 22 games this season and here are the minutes:
View: https://imgur.com/a/n1EpSE2
Based on this, we can clearly see that 12 players have made 18 or more appearances so far. Would have been more for the likes of Alisson, Konate and Trent and less for the likes of Bradley and Kelleher if it wasn't for injuries.
If you look at the minutes played Salah, Gravy and Van Dijk stand out.
What I've gathered from this list is that there would barely have been any rotation if it weren't for injuries. Slot has a group of something like 11+3 who gets starts and significant minutes on the pitch. The rest are just not being used unless it's a league cup game.
For instance, look at Quansah. Been in the squad 22 times, made 6 appearances.
Gomez stats are only now boosted by Konate being injured, but remove the the 3 latest starts (90+90+67) from the 511 minutes he's played, divide by 90 minutes and he's basically played 3 games.
Endo, 10 apps 168 minutes. 16.8 minutes per game. Now remove the league cup games from that equation... (hint: he didn't even play 90 mins in those games)
the ink was barely dry on slots contact when he tried to replace endo so i’m assuming that position is a big deal to him. from that pov i can forgive the overuse of gravy providing we rest him in the meaningless games and continue to pursue another adult to complete the midfield set.
1 more mid, even if it’s not a dm, will help us keep the boys fresh. we’d get away with the odd game playing macallister at dm.
1 more mid, even if it’s not a dm, will help us keep the boys fresh. we’d get away with the odd game playing macallister at dm.
Teams have games in hand, we’ll have a 3 pt lead tomorrow.
Depends if barca dortmund is a draw, as they're the only teams who could make it a 3 point gap
I don't believe that people criticizing Darwin and who make these types of clips are true Liverpool supporters.
They are the very people that when they realize that someone is struggling they smell blood and, as they do on X, they pile on.
As far as I’m concerned if the manager picks him then he’ll be supported.
As for Slot and his team I think they have earned some trust in managing the squad. Fatigue and errors take place in all clubs and I doubt there are many who wouldn't swap their position for ours.
They are the very people that when they realize that someone is struggling they smell blood and, as they do on X, they pile on.
As far as I’m concerned if the manager picks him then he’ll be supported.
As for Slot and his team I think they have earned some trust in managing the squad. Fatigue and errors take place in all clubs and I doubt there are many who wouldn't swap their position for ours.
Well we better fecking buy a midfielder in January then cause the situation right now is very precarious
i dunno the perception of rotation kind of all hangs on a couple of players who the manager isn’t convinced about. quansah made a big mistake early on didn’t he? endo wasn’t fancied from the start, elliott pre injury was probably the most curious one but we’ve seen harvey be overlooked before.
the injuries have been awkward amongst the ‘squad’ players too, preventing and rhythm and trust.
yea definitely, macallister, szob and gravy will be run into the ground no doubt unless someone arrives
Yes but at least one CB should be involved in the rotation, right?
Klopp had Van Dijk, Konate and Matip.
Slot has put a lot of minutes on our CB's and now one is injured, when he probably should have been subbed.
Regarding Elliott, I know there's a lot of positivity around him in this forum because honestly he's a likeable kid but I'm not sure Slot likes him as much...
Seeing him come on "early-ish" yesterday was encouraging but look at that list I posted. The minutes Vs apps...doesn't look good.
I was surprised we pressed so much high up last night.
Sitting back and countering would have been grand i my eyes. But yeah, I am just a mere mortal.
Thing is, we have seen managers underestimate the intensity, physicality and demands of the league before, even Pep admitted this in his first years. Then he started rotating more.
Those sport scientists must be stealing a living, as we could see Grav running like in water against Newcastle.
Sitting back and countering would have been grand i my eyes. But yeah, I am just a mere mortal.
Thing is, we have seen managers underestimate the intensity, physicality and demands of the league before, even Pep admitted this in his first years. Then he started rotating more.
Those sport scientists must be stealing a living, as we could see Grav running like in water against Newcastle.
Yes, they are that closely monitored. Our fitness team is one of the best, and the minutes given to the players are what is deemed acceptable within the parameters they are working.
Newcastle was after playing both Real Madrid and Manchester City the same week. I dont think that can be used as a reference.
But all this is quite simple. Arne doesn't trust Endo to play as a 6 and doesn't think he's suited to the way we play.
We 100% need a new midfielder so that its possible to rotate after Christmas and for the rest of the season.
FFS. 18 points hasn't yet sealed it, what kind of pisstake is this?
To hell with this format, never liked it anyway.
I just think Slot has a different approach to rotation - rather than rest Grav every 5 or 6 matches, he is planning on resting him from January onwards, when Zubi takes over the reins; next season they will do 19 games on 19 games off again
If the fucker was backed in the summer like of course any new manager would want, then maybe he wouldn't feel obliged to use the same crop of 13-14 players every bleeding game. I know no one gives the slightest shit about them but the cunts above him have things to answer for aswell.
Also I do agree he needs to use players like Endo and Nyoni more, they're fucking boss so fucking play him. Release the Endonimoha. For all the talk of rotation, it seems the only grift is with Endo's lack of game time.....that in itself shows how paper thin our squad is and I wonder who would be responsible for that. The matter of the fact is we went into the season with a 22 man squad with players we knew weren't for Arne and with others we knew would suffer injuries.
Also I do agree he needs to use players like Endo and Nyoni more, they're fucking boss so fucking play him. Release the Endonimoha. For all the talk of rotation, it seems the only grift is with Endo's lack of game time.....that in itself shows how paper thin our squad is and I wonder who would be responsible for that. The matter of the fact is we went into the season with a 22 man squad with players we knew weren't for Arne and with others we knew would suffer injuries.
To be fair to elliott, he has been crippled for 2 months. If he stays fit his minutes will go up quickly
Newcastle should be the perfect reference because of those two games. Many were saying he needed a rest and that was proven by watching the game. Us bums watching at home could predict it so those fitness wankers can do one.
If Arne isn’t one to trust a player in his squad then he’s risking losing titles in May. That won’t be good enough.
We’ve seen the previous manager do this and he is making the exact same mistake.
And if you rest Gravenberch against Newcastle and lose the game by playing Endo, what then? You praise Arne for the rotation and accept the loss?
I'd rather trust the people in charge, the fitness team with an education and access to players 24 hours a day then anything else when it comes to player welfare and fitness. Arne and his team had excellent results in regards to specifically this at Feyenoord.
That bolded bit doesn't make sense. He has a preference to what his midfielders need to do and what ability they have, and Endo doesn't suit that 6 type. Arne didn't sign Endo, and he tried to sign an upgrade this summer.
I love Endo, but for now he's an defensive impact player. Nothing else.
It’s because we’ve seen what happens. We have lived through it. Put too many minutes in players legs at the start of the season leads to empty legs at the same.
If we get to May with nothing to play for because he didn’t trust a player who we’ve all seen play well that puts any blame on Slot.
OK that's reasonable. What isn't, is when we're up by 2 goals with 10 mins to go and Slot decides to not use any of his subs until the 90th minute.
Sure, I can see that. I also think we should have subbed on Endo for Darwin the minute Salah's 3-2 goal goes in against Newcastle.
I really hope he does.
Exactly Feyenoord. Not the PL. Frankly that's a ridiculous comparison.
Yes, as we all know you cant use your learnings and sports science methods in other countries. Probably because its written in Dutch.
Jesus that's a brain dead response. How about you just think about it for a while. You know, comparing the two different leagues? Instead of just saying they are experts! See what they did in the Erdivisie!
