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Andy Carroll In Danger Yo !
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The answer to an answer ? Good work Modo, keep it up !
I noticed that about a nanosecond after you decide to quote my failure.
Great job. I'm keeping you lot on your toes.
I got your point mate. I'm an Opta bellend.
*sobs*
Seriously though, we're linked with a lot of young skillfull players these days, quite exciting actually if we get a few of them.
Hi everyone - don't know if this has been posted this link - but I tell you what its really depressing reading if you go-ahead and read it. It's basically saying that once a player leaves us - life can only get better:
http://www.givemefootball.com/premier-league/liverpool-leavers-finding-more-success
Unfortunately the facts are true.
http://www.givemefootball.com/premier-league/liverpool-leavers-finding-more-success
Unfortunately the facts are true.
Is this where I'm supposed to call you a name?
Or should I just leave it?
IT WASN'T 6 MONTHS!!
But he didn't score for 6 months Doctor Mac...and Adam is poo and fat...
Thanks to KJ, I'm gonna have good nights sleep.
Andy Carroll has told Liverpool he wants to stay at Anfield rather than be sent out on loan or sold off in a cut-price deal.
Carroll is not interested in a return to Newcastle or a move south to London with either West Ham or Fulham. "Andy has told them that he does not want to move," an ESPN source said.
But Liverpool appear to have unofficially let it be known that they would accept £20 million for the England international.
However, the Reds might have to take an even bigger hit on the price before interested clubs such as Newcastle are willing to pay a transfer fee, plus the player's £80,000-a-week wages.
Liverpool bought Carroll for £35 million but the player does not appear to fit into new manager Brendan Rodgers' tactical strategy. There have been hints that Rodgers would not be adverse to loaning out the centre forward, but Liverpool would rather recoup part of the fee and use it to buy new players.
However, for now the club faces an obstacle in Carroll himself, who has let it be known that he wants to stay at Anfield and prove to Rodgers he can fit in.
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/160803.html?CMP=OTC-RSS#yaSiJ18sHh37UYwJ.99
Carroll is not interested in a return to Newcastle or a move south to London with either West Ham or Fulham. "Andy has told them that he does not want to move," an ESPN source said.
But Liverpool appear to have unofficially let it be known that they would accept £20 million for the England international.
However, the Reds might have to take an even bigger hit on the price before interested clubs such as Newcastle are willing to pay a transfer fee, plus the player's £80,000-a-week wages.
Liverpool bought Carroll for £35 million but the player does not appear to fit into new manager Brendan Rodgers' tactical strategy. There have been hints that Rodgers would not be adverse to loaning out the centre forward, but Liverpool would rather recoup part of the fee and use it to buy new players.
However, for now the club faces an obstacle in Carroll himself, who has let it be known that he wants to stay at Anfield and prove to Rodgers he can fit in.
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/160803.html?CMP=OTC-RSS#yaSiJ18sHh37UYwJ.99
Andy Carroll's divorce from Liverpool seems wasteful but inevitable
Andy Carroll was supposed to be relaxing at a plush Brazilian resort and yet, even as he soaks up The Lying Rag and attempts to let those flowing locks down, he must now feel frazzled again. It is only a month since the forward was leaping to meet Steven Gerrard's delivery and thunder a glorious header beyond Andreas Isaksson, an England goal crafted in Liverpool to rouse a vocal minority within Kiev's Olympic Stadium. Back then it appeared a watershed, the moment a player proved he belonged. Now it feels more like a false dawn.
Carroll will wonder at this depressing reversion to type. He had travelled to Euro 2012 propelled by a late-season flurry of form with Kenny Dalglish's Liverpool and with his mood presumably improved further when Brendan Rodgers' appointment back on Merseyside suggested the club was embracing reinvigoration. And yet, even before he has benefited from a training session under the new regime, the 23-year-old is now painfully aware that his days at Anfield are numbered.
A striker who would not appear a natural fit in the style and system Rodgers intends to implement has effectively been rendered available for transfer. There were times last term when he must have felt superfluous, his rhythm lost in an inability to string together a prolonged run of Premier League starts. Even before the new term is underway, life on the periphery merely feels maintained.
The reality as to whether he stays or goes before the new season has descended already into a game or brinkmanship between Liverpool's hierarchy and a string of suitors led by his former employers, Newcastle United. Those at Anfield will only countenance a sale worth £20m. Newcastle, Aston Villa and West Ham would prefer a loan move, possibly with a view to a long-term deal, though their valuations will not match Liverpool's for a player who was bought on impulse and has since mustered 11 goals in 56 games in his 18 months at the club.
This has the makings of one of those all too familiar sagas – they seem more usually to feature Arsenal – that resolves itself only when panic sets in and the transfer deadline is upon us at the end of August. Unless, of course, Carroll ends up being granted an opportunity to impress upon linking up with Liverpool's squad in the United States next week and goes on to persuade the management that he should have a future at the club.
Instinctively compromise feels unlikely. There has already been at least one telephone call between Rodgers and Carroll, during which the player was apparently told "exactly where he stands". On the face of it theirs does feel like an awkward relationship. Much is made of the precise passing routines and possession play demanded by Rodgers at Swansea, which will form the basis of Liverpool's approach next season, and that technique-based system would hardly appear suited to tapping into Carroll's strengths as a line-leader and old school English centre-forward.
Just as integral to the adopted pattern of play will be the pressing required to regain the ball when it is surrendered. While he is imposing in the air and possesses a hammer of a shot, the 6ft 3in forward is not the most mobile on the turf. Rather he has other assets – England have benefited at times from his hold-up play when they have gone more direct, and his impact as a battering presence for his club in scraps against Everton, Blackburn Rovers and Chelsea last season was obvious – but, if the frontline cannot harry and hassle, then gaps will appear behind and the collective suddenly feels lightweight.
Rodgers had spoken of loaning the forward out, suggesting games elsewhere for players on the fringes "can benefit the club in the long term", though it seems unlikely that Carroll would ever return better placed to fit into the manager's favoured approach. The only surprise in his apparent willingness to discard the striker is the lack of an obvious Plan B.
Liverpool are anxious for their new head coach to thrive and concede he will need time to make a proper impact but they will also demand positive results through the inevitable period of adjustment to come. If they are chasing matches while Rodgers is still implementing his preferred style, would the option of casting Carroll into the fray as a battering-ram impact player not be beneficial? The manager seems unconcerned by the issue but others might suggest a player who had just started to show his true capabilities last spring might remain an asset worth utilising.
Carroll, it seems, is resigned to leaving. Where once he was bullish and bolstered by his effective cameos with the national team, now he would apparently favour the thrashing out of a move back home to Tyneside. He understandably needs to feel wanted and there is an irony that, at the time of writing, he would seem far more likely to start England's friendly against Italy in Berne on 15 August than Liverpool's opening Premier League fixture at West Bromwich Albion three days later.
That feels unsatisfactory and, if he has not played consistently and remains a Liverpool player as the transfer deadline passes, his involvement with Roy Hodgson's team in the World Cup qualifiers against Moldova and Ukraine in September would surely be forfeit. Similarly life on the fringes at Anfield will merely prolong the circus, the questions forever revolving around whether he is to be included from the start against Arsenal, Sunderland or Norwich, or even in an unappealing Capital One Cup tie or Europa League fixture. That will become tiresome, as much for the questioners as the club and their player.
A compromise may have to be reached eventually to sanction another fresh start. Upon signing Carroll in January 2010, John W Henry had shrugged off fears over the size of the £35m fee by stressing that the key had always been Liverpool's ability to prise £15m more from Chelsea to secure Fernando Torres. "Those prices could have been £35m [from Chelsea for Torres] and £20m [to Newcastle for Carroll], 40 and 25 or 50 and 35," he said. "It was ultimately up to Newcastle how much this was all going to cost. They [Newcastle] made a hell of a deal. We felt the same way." At some stage Liverpool will have to accept that blinding deal has now been exposed as a loss. Disappointing as it may be for Carroll to accept, particularly with memories of Kiev still smouldering, a parting of the ways might be best for all.
Andy Carroll was supposed to be relaxing at a plush Brazilian resort and yet, even as he soaks up The Lying Rag and attempts to let those flowing locks down, he must now feel frazzled again. It is only a month since the forward was leaping to meet Steven Gerrard's delivery and thunder a glorious header beyond Andreas Isaksson, an England goal crafted in Liverpool to rouse a vocal minority within Kiev's Olympic Stadium. Back then it appeared a watershed, the moment a player proved he belonged. Now it feels more like a false dawn.
Carroll will wonder at this depressing reversion to type. He had travelled to Euro 2012 propelled by a late-season flurry of form with Kenny Dalglish's Liverpool and with his mood presumably improved further when Brendan Rodgers' appointment back on Merseyside suggested the club was embracing reinvigoration. And yet, even before he has benefited from a training session under the new regime, the 23-year-old is now painfully aware that his days at Anfield are numbered.
A striker who would not appear a natural fit in the style and system Rodgers intends to implement has effectively been rendered available for transfer. There were times last term when he must have felt superfluous, his rhythm lost in an inability to string together a prolonged run of Premier League starts. Even before the new term is underway, life on the periphery merely feels maintained.
The reality as to whether he stays or goes before the new season has descended already into a game or brinkmanship between Liverpool's hierarchy and a string of suitors led by his former employers, Newcastle United. Those at Anfield will only countenance a sale worth £20m. Newcastle, Aston Villa and West Ham would prefer a loan move, possibly with a view to a long-term deal, though their valuations will not match Liverpool's for a player who was bought on impulse and has since mustered 11 goals in 56 games in his 18 months at the club.
This has the makings of one of those all too familiar sagas – they seem more usually to feature Arsenal – that resolves itself only when panic sets in and the transfer deadline is upon us at the end of August. Unless, of course, Carroll ends up being granted an opportunity to impress upon linking up with Liverpool's squad in the United States next week and goes on to persuade the management that he should have a future at the club.
Instinctively compromise feels unlikely. There has already been at least one telephone call between Rodgers and Carroll, during which the player was apparently told "exactly where he stands". On the face of it theirs does feel like an awkward relationship. Much is made of the precise passing routines and possession play demanded by Rodgers at Swansea, which will form the basis of Liverpool's approach next season, and that technique-based system would hardly appear suited to tapping into Carroll's strengths as a line-leader and old school English centre-forward.
Just as integral to the adopted pattern of play will be the pressing required to regain the ball when it is surrendered. While he is imposing in the air and possesses a hammer of a shot, the 6ft 3in forward is not the most mobile on the turf. Rather he has other assets – England have benefited at times from his hold-up play when they have gone more direct, and his impact as a battering presence for his club in scraps against Everton, Blackburn Rovers and Chelsea last season was obvious – but, if the frontline cannot harry and hassle, then gaps will appear behind and the collective suddenly feels lightweight.
Rodgers had spoken of loaning the forward out, suggesting games elsewhere for players on the fringes "can benefit the club in the long term", though it seems unlikely that Carroll would ever return better placed to fit into the manager's favoured approach. The only surprise in his apparent willingness to discard the striker is the lack of an obvious Plan B.
Liverpool are anxious for their new head coach to thrive and concede he will need time to make a proper impact but they will also demand positive results through the inevitable period of adjustment to come. If they are chasing matches while Rodgers is still implementing his preferred style, would the option of casting Carroll into the fray as a battering-ram impact player not be beneficial? The manager seems unconcerned by the issue but others might suggest a player who had just started to show his true capabilities last spring might remain an asset worth utilising.
Carroll, it seems, is resigned to leaving. Where once he was bullish and bolstered by his effective cameos with the national team, now he would apparently favour the thrashing out of a move back home to Tyneside. He understandably needs to feel wanted and there is an irony that, at the time of writing, he would seem far more likely to start England's friendly against Italy in Berne on 15 August than Liverpool's opening Premier League fixture at West Bromwich Albion three days later.
That feels unsatisfactory and, if he has not played consistently and remains a Liverpool player as the transfer deadline passes, his involvement with Roy Hodgson's team in the World Cup qualifiers against Moldova and Ukraine in September would surely be forfeit. Similarly life on the fringes at Anfield will merely prolong the circus, the questions forever revolving around whether he is to be included from the start against Arsenal, Sunderland or Norwich, or even in an unappealing Capital One Cup tie or Europa League fixture. That will become tiresome, as much for the questioners as the club and their player.
A compromise may have to be reached eventually to sanction another fresh start. Upon signing Carroll in January 2010, John W Henry had shrugged off fears over the size of the £35m fee by stressing that the key had always been Liverpool's ability to prise £15m more from Chelsea to secure Fernando Torres. "Those prices could have been £35m [from Chelsea for Torres] and £20m [to Newcastle for Carroll], 40 and 25 or 50 and 35," he said. "It was ultimately up to Newcastle how much this was all going to cost. They [Newcastle] made a hell of a deal. We felt the same way." At some stage Liverpool will have to accept that blinding deal has now been exposed as a loss. Disappointing as it may be for Carroll to accept, particularly with memories of Kiev still smouldering, a parting of the ways might be best for all.
meh, you're assuming he hasn't joined up cause he doesnt give a fuck, he was never scheduled to join up with the team yet, its all speculation right now, nobody knows what the fucks going on
I'm sick of reading about this glorious end of season form, the extent of which was he scored a couple of goals and actually looked like he gave a fuck. After 15 months of being shit and not putting any effort in whatsoever.
Well 'scuse me, whoop de fucking do. What a great 35M pound professional he is then.
Well 'scuse me, whoop de fucking do. What a great 35M pound professional he is then.
I guess we will have to give him the chance.
If we are looking to sell him in order to afford a replacement then it would be logical to assume that we won't be getting a replacement if he decides to stay put. And simply dropping him would be silly, as not only would his value go down the more he is stuck on the bench but Rodgers would come under pressure if we struggled to score goals and had an expensive striker not playing
Although the handling of this has been pretty clumsy it hasn't worked out THAT badly for Rodgers if Carroll does stay. Either he has a clearly talented striker there desperate to prove a point and succeeding or he has a striker who is still unable to produce the goods, but who he didn't sign or didn't really want, who he can then offload without much cause for complaint either in January or next summer. So the manager is either proved right or proved wrong, but if he is proved wrong he can at least console himself with the fact that he has a striker who is working hard and scoring goals!
In fairness man, the silence is deafening in terms of Carroll's future at Liverpool. If it was just speculation, the Club would have been denied it over the weekend. He's defo up for sale.
Still think it's very harsh on Andy, but each to their own. Lets see how it all pans out.
Right.... so..... if you're a world class player, at the peak of your game, then leaving Liverpool and moving to one of the top teams in Europe might not be bad for your career.
Wow - truly insightful stuff.
If only the author had balanced that with the multitude if shite we've signed and moved on & charted their careers, eh?
We buy back Torres for 50 million.
ok ok Doc - 4.5 months?
Try 3 + 10 days.
You can troll with the best of them Wiz when you put your mind to it.
You can troll with the best of them Wiz when you put your mind to it.
I'm not trolling - 2 goals since the end of Dec ... So I was off by two goals ... big whoop. But as I said earlier, he's wonderful, you win and let's sign him. You win! He's great.
Date Team Opponent Competition Result Appearance G A SH SG FC FS YC RC
13/05 2012 Newcastle A- Everton Prem L 3-1 Started 0 0 3 1 2 2 0 0
06/05 2012 Newcastle H- Man City Prem L 0-2 Started 0 0 6 1 1 0 0 0
02/05 2012 Newcastle A- Chelsea Prem W 0-2 Off 74 min 0 0 4 2 0 2 0 0
28/04 2012 Newcastle A- Wigan Prem L 4-0 Started 0 0 1 0 2 2 0 0
21/04 2012 Newcastle H- Stoke Prem W 3-0 Started 0 0 8 3 0 3 0 0
09/04 2012 Newcastle H- Bolton Prem W 2-0 Off 63 min 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0
06/04 2012 Newcastle A- Swansea Prem W 0-2 Off 58 min 0 0 1 0 3 0 0 0
01/04 2012 Newcastle H- Liverpool Prem W 2-0 Started 0 1 2 0 0 2 0 0
25/03 2012 Newcastle A- West Brom Prem W 1-3 Started 0 0 2 2 0 5 0 0
18/03 2012 Newcastle H- Norwich Prem W 1-0 Started 0 0 4 1 2 1 0 0
12/03 2012 Newcastle A- Arsenal Prem L 2-1 Started 0 0 1 0 1 2 0 0
04/03 2012 Newcastle H- Sunderland Prem D 1-1 Started 0 0 5 1 1 1 1 0
25/02 2012 Newcastle H- Wolves Prem D 2-2 Started 0 0 3 1 0 1 0 0
11/02 2012 Newcastle A- Tottenham Prem L 5-0 Started 0 0 5 2 2 3 0 0
05/02 2012 Newcastle H- Aston Villa Prem W 2-1 Off 90 min 1 0 4 1 1 2 0 0
04/01 2012 Newcastle H- Man Utd Prem W 3-0 Off 89 min 1 0 3 2 1 2 0 0
30/12 2011 Newcastle A- Liverpool Prem L 3-1 Started 0 0 1 1 1 2 0 0
Which of these is true:
a)It's a trick by sir Alex to unsettle our number 9 after a decent showing at the euros.
b)Brendan's system doesnt suit the style Andy plays and so we want to get rid.
c)It's a way we are using to get him motivated and hungry to prove he is worth what we paid to get him.
d) C above was the intention but it has backfired and has caused the player to want out .
a)It's a trick by sir Alex to unsettle our number 9 after a decent showing at the euros.
b)Brendan's system doesnt suit the style Andy plays and so we want to get rid.
c)It's a way we are using to get him motivated and hungry to prove he is worth what we paid to get him.
d) C above was the intention but it has backfired and has caused the player to want out .
I'd have worries about buying him, because of his injury and the fact he looks like one of those players who has two or three good seasons and then disappears into obscurity. That said, between December and May, you're conveniently (again) overlooking that he was injured and had a spell at the African Nations (which in itself has been known to affect players fatigue). He went three months without scoring, granted, but he was shunted to a less familiar role to accommodate Cisse, he also played a part in their great spell of wins in April (which as a wide player should be judged on contribution as much as goals). You've consistently ignored the fact that he, for the 18 months previous, was fantastic and he was banging them in. Shall we judge Torres' drought as a measure of his ability? I don't know why you're acting to arsey about this, over the course of two seasons he scored 23 in 49 appearances, despite his abject 'disastrous', complete measure of his overall ability that the last three months of last season were. Let's just erase the previous 18 months where, if you take out that terrible finale, he scored 21 in 34 appearances.
He's a good player, he's got a dodgy knee, he struggled to score when played in a wide role and on the back of an International tournament. Don't consider any of this though and forget about his previous form.
Youre being a dick Wiz.
Intentionally.
TROLLING.
Between 4/01 and 5/02 he wasnt even in the country.
So between the 5/02 and 13/5 (during which time he was moved from lone striker to wide left in a 3 behind the striker) he didnt score.
Why are you acting the leek?
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