Andy Carroll In Danger Yo !

[Silver Sean]

We have become quite expert in getting royally fucked over transfers over the past few years haven't we? Keane, Carroll, Downing, for example. Amazing how we have become so inept. Getting shit money for good players who are leaving, and paying over the odds for those coming in. It seems that every club in Europe knows this and acts accordingly.

 

[Silver Sean]

Oh, and for what it's worth I'd keep him. But after the inept handling of this by the new manager he's a gonner for sure.

 

[Modo]

No. The price paid then has nothing to do with it.

Carroll is playing well and is a full international, scoring goals in finals and major tournaments. He's worth 20m quid, whether we'd paid nothing or 50m, he's worth 20m right now.

Unless you say you want to sell him, at which point his price deflates dramatically.

yup £20 Million has been my valuation all along.

 

[peterhague]

No. The price paid then has nothing to do with it.

Carroll is playing well and is a full international, scoring goals in finals and major tournaments. He's worth 20m quid, whether we'd paid nothing or 50m, he's worth 20m right now.

Unless you say you want to sell him, at which point his price deflates dramatically.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but I do wonder how this situation truly compares to other sales. Isn't it fairly normal for clubs wanting rid of a player to make it known through agents and otherwise in private? So buying clubs still have the same information we've given out about Carroll, but just from different sources. Are they in any less powerful a position from having the information provided like that than Newcastle et al are with Carroll?

I'm not sure how it's really any different purely in terms of negotiations, but I'm open to persuasion. Obv there's still the issue of unnecessarily alienating the player, but that's another matter.

 

[Wizardry]

If it's 16 mill + Ba, do you take it?

Before they have time to pronounce the last syllable of Demba's surname.

 

[Woland]

I'm not saying you're wrong, but I do wonder how this situation truly compares to other sales. Isn't it fairly normal for clubs wanting rid of a player to make it known through agents and otherwise in private? So buying clubs still have the same information we've given out about Carroll, but just from different sources. Are they in any less powerful a position from having the information provided like that than Newcastle et al are with Carroll?

I'm not sure how it's really any different purely in terms of negotiations, but I'm open to persuasion. Obv there's still the issue of unnecessarily alienating the player, but that's another matter.

If you have a quiet word with an agent with contacts at Newcastle and say you think that offers in the region of 20m would be looked at very seriously then you'll get some feedback and be able to figure out what to do next. If it came out that this was supposed to be said you can deny it and keep the player on side and on good terms and if it doesn't work out everything is fine. Going public with some shitty half arsed maybe loan out scenario makes it easy for any other club, especially Newcastle in this case, to unsettle the player and start dealing on their terms, in public.

 

[Wizardry]

I'm not saying you're wrong, but I do wonder how this situation truly compares to other sales. Isn't it fairly normal for clubs wanting rid of a player to make it known through agents and otherwise in private? So buying clubs still have the same information we've given out about Carroll, but just from different sources. Are they in any less powerful a position from having the information provided like that than Newcastle et al are with Carroll?

I'm not sure how it's really any different purely in terms of negotiations, but I'm open to persuasion. Obv there's still the issue of unnecessarily alienating the player, but that's another matter.

Surely the issue is with the reasons given.

If the manager comes out and makes clear that a certain player isn't going to fit his style of play then game over. Now it's a case that the player isn't going to fit so the club are going to find it easy to say yes to any deal.

Conversely you let the agent make noise about the player; the club can then choose whatever position they want in the deal - we're absolutely not interested, we'll listen to offers, we're happy to sell if the price is good etc.

 

[Hansern]

I'm guessing we sounded out possible interested parties before that press conference.

 

[Woland]

I'm guessing we sounded out possible interested parties before that press conference.

If you had, why would you say that?

 

[peterhague]

If you have a quiet word with an agent with contacts at Newcastle and say you think that offers in the region of 20m would be looked at very seriously then you'll get some feedback and be able to figure out what to do next. If it came out that this was supposed to be said you can deny it and keep the player on side and on good terms and if it doesn't work out everything is fine. Going public with some shitty half arsed maybe loan out scenario makes it easy for any other club, especially Newcastle in this case, to unsettle the player and start dealing on their terms, in public.

Hmm. Not sure tbh. Be interested to see what other people think of this...

 

[Hansern]

He didnt really say much though did he? His mistake was letting the media get to speculate about Andys future, that may cost us a few million.
Should have just confirmed he was staying.

 

[Red Astaire]

I can't believe that the handling of this whole affair has been premeditated in any way. It doesn't make any sense. All it's done is create uncertainty and some sort of rabid feeding frenzy. The only way I can make any sense of it is maybe it was an attempt to motivate Carroll. If that's the case it's backfired massively. Either way you look it - it's been handled very poorly by BR. A ball has not been kicked yet and already I have reason to be critical him.

 

[gkmacca]

And it doesn't sound that clever to stress how the attitude of players is so important and then shut one out who desperately wants to play. It's his job and he can do what he wants but I don't think it's wise, let alone necessary, to treat a senior player this way.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Is this a Jewish/Muslim ting?

It just dawned on me what you meant here. I honestly hope you're taking the piss -

 

[doctor_mac]

Youre being a dick Wiz.
Intentionally.
TROLLING.
Between 4/01 and 5/02 he wasnt even in the country.
So between the 5/02 and 13/5 (during which time he was moved from lone striker to wide left in a 3 behind the striker) he didnt score.
Why are you acting the leek?

I'm worried about LTW. He hasn't been such an angry troll since the depths of his Kuyt hating period.

 

[Insignificance]

This whole saga is fucking hillarious. We have a Domestic full international on our hands, and we want to trade him away for a injury prone one-hit-wonder from Senegal? What the fuck is Kenny Rodgers thinking with?

 

[doctor_mac]

Isn't Ba the same guy who's knee is held together by blu tac?

And yet who played every single game he was available for last season for Newcastle. Sicknote, he ain't.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

I'm worried about LTW. He hasn't been such an angry troll since the depths of his Kuyt hating period.

Uuuuh I don't think I've ever 'hated' a player - not even Diouf ... and as I've said numerous times, the only time I ever really got angry on this site was with xabi_xabi (aka red_water). Have a wonderful day.

 

[doctor_mac]

This whole saga is fucking hillarious. We have a Domestic full international on our hands, and we want to trade him away for a injury prone one-hit-wonder from Senegal? What the fuck is Kenny Rodgers thinking with?

Injury prone? Played EVERY game for Toon last year other than African Nations games.

One hit wonder? 93 goals in 190 career games.

 

[Hansern]

I like Ba, but someone posted his goals pr game from West Ham and Newcastle and he scored most of his goals in patches - much like Dzeko and Berbatov.

Still, I would be positive to include him in the Carroll deal as it would mean we can spend more on a right forward and midfielder.

 

[doctor_mac]

Uuuuh I don't think I've ever 'hated' a player - not even Diouf ... and as I've said numerous times, the only time I ever really got angry on this site was with xabi_xabi (aka red_water). Have a wonderful day.

Well your argument is pretty grim then mate, to the extent it comes across as deliberate pig-headed trolling.

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

Injury prone? Played EVERY game for Toon last year other than African Nations games.

By that rationale Agger isn't injury prone.

He's a risky singing, but at the right price he'd be worth the risk. I would be wary of how productive he'd be if he's not the focal point of your attack, which he wouldn't be if he joined.

I would take him though, but not for anything more than 8m or so.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Well your argument is pretty grim then mate, to the extent it comes across as deliberate pig-headed trolling.

Well, at first I thought I was right. Then I was wrong. Then in the desperate attempt to still prove I am right 99.75% of the time, I continued to argue my point, and then when I realized that I was really really wrong, I stopped as I realized I didn't really care that much ... so I backed down. It happens to the best of us, even the people who take the high ground with me or attempt to attribute my post to some non-existent islamophobia.

 

[Jürgen4PM]

A bit about his knee problem:

It turns out that Ba has a knee problem, which he received playing for Belgian club ‘Mouscron.’ (No I have never heard of them either – and you never will again, because they suspended operations in 2009 after being declared bankrupt!) It was a pretty nasty injury which left a serious fracture in Demba’s tibia and fibula (the front and back bone of the leg), resulting in him being out for 8 months.

As if he wasn’t unlucky enough to be on the injury list – the surgeon only went and did a botch job! Yup! This resulted in Ba struggling with knee pain due to muscle damaged on the operating table. it is believed the problem stems from a nail inserted in his tibia that touched a sensitive part of the knee when it was removed.

Subsequent surgery cleaned up the joint, but it has been enough to prompt most clubs to treat him with caution.

 

[Red Astaire]

Injury prone? Played EVERY game for Toon last year other than African Nations games.

One hit wonder? 93 goals in 190 career games.

Yep I checked his Wiki page and saw his goal return. I was surprised to say the least. As most on here know - my lack off knowledge regarding non LFC players is probably the worst on 6CM (apart from Modo of course😉)

 

[doctor_mac]

By that rationale Agger isn't injury prone.

He's a risky singing, but at the right price he'd be worth the risk. I would be wary of how productive he'd be if he's not the focal point of your attack, which he wouldn't be if he joined.

I would take him though, but not for anything more than 8m or so.

Not really- look at his last 5 seasons. Only in one season (2009-10) has he failed to play the vast majority of league games (he played 18 that year). Every other season he has played between 29 and 34. That differs from Agger's record significantly.

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

Not really- look at his last 5 seasons. Only in one season (2009-10) has he failed to play the vast majority of league games (he played 18 that year). Every other season he has played between 29 and 34. That differs from Agger's record significantly.

As Rafa just posted, there is a reason that clubs have been cautious about him. He may have played quite a lot, but there is more of a risk that he'll have a short career than others. Hence he is more of a risk than others, so we shouldn't be spending too much on him, or banking on him.

 

[doctor_mac]

I like Ba, but someone posted his goals pr game from West Ham and Newcastle and he scored most of his goals in patches - much like Dzeko and Berbatov.

Still, I would be positive to include him in the Carroll deal as it would mean we can spend more on a right forward and midfielder.

Don't most forwards score their goals in patches? Rooney is famous for it too. Torres was unusual in his glory days in that he scored with wonderful regularity.

 

[Jürgen4PM]

He's failed medicals at Stoke and VFB Stuttgart

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

If I remember right, the last time you argued so much for a player was Adam.

He'd be an ok signing, and could be a good signing. Nothing really to get so worked up over.