Andy Carroll In Danger Yo !
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excellent post Mark and Oncey. Cheers!
be well
I learned something new today - Mods can ignore regular users but not mods! It's elitism at its best.
The only reasons not to seriously consider Ba would be the price tag, or his fitness. Anyone with a modicum of sense can see how much he was compromised by being shunted out wide. He was the focal point of most of their attacks prior to that, and when Cisse arrived, he basically took Ba's role in the team. I think it's a credit to Ba that he adapted to the new role and continued to do his best for the team. He would have had every right to feel a little aggrieved at being sacrificed after his form up until then. A lot of strikers in his situation would no doubt have thrown their toys out of the pram.
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/9821616.Reds_interest_in_Ba_could_lead_to_Carroll_deal/
Reds interest in Ba could lead to Carroll deal
8:00am Wednesday 18th July 2012 in Sport By Paul Fraser, Chief Football Writer
SENEGALESE striker Demba Ba could be the key bargaining tool in Newcastle United's attempts to take England's Andy Carroll back to Tyneside.
Liverpool's new boss Brendan Rodgers is attempting to transform the face of the squad he has inherited and as well as offloading Carroll he is keen to give his attack a fresh look.
After landing Fabio Borini from Roma, Rodgers is hoping to bring in Theo Walcott from Arsenal. Sources close to the Anfield club suggest Joe Cole, following the end of his Lille loan, will also have a chance to revive his Merseyside career.
And with Luis Suarez lined up to spearhead Liverpool's attack, Rodgers is ready to offload target-man Carroll at the right price and the aim is to replace him with a more versatile forward.
Ba is one of those under consideration. He was even before it became clear that Newcastle had made an official offer to take Carroll on a season-long loan with a view to a permanent deal at the end of next season.
The 27-year-old, who started and scored the winner in Monday night's friendly with Monaco in Germany, has been the subject of speculation all summer because of a £7m clause in his contract.
That clause is, reportedly, due to expire at the end of the month and Newcastle manager Alan Pardew has stated that he would prefer to keep the former West Ham man next season.
However, it has emerged that Ba will be mentioned by Liverpool in any further discussions which take place about the possible departure of Carroll.
Ba's preference is to play as the figurehead in attack and as well as providing that option he also offers the versatility which Rodgers is seeking from the forwards he has in his squad.
Liverpool are asking £20m for Carroll, but their interest in Ba would help to lower that fee significantly - down to somewhere close to what Newcastle would like to pay for the man they sold for £35m 18 months ago.
Pardew has been looking to bring in a new striker this summer after sanctioning the departures of Leon Best and Peter Lovenkrands.
Newcastle had been in discussions with Twente for their Dutch talent Luuk de Jong, but admitted defeat when the Eredivisie outfit demanded more cash.
And yesterday Borussia Monchengladbach - whose interest and preferred destination of the player was reported in The Northern Echo last month - completed the signing of de Jong. He signed a five-year deal, with the Germans paying £10m-plus a further £2m in add-ons.
After pulling out of the race to sign de Jong, Pardew turned his attention to Carroll. And he said: "That whole process is a little bit more involved with the chairman and the board at Liverpool.
"We have got a great team here, a great squad, and if Andy Carroll comes it will only add to us. It's simple, really.
"Sometimes transfers are done at corporate level. I'm slightly detached from that. It will be what it will be.
"It's been said that he's available and if we are involved, then we will be involved because of the figures, not anything else, because we know he's good enough."
Newcastle's transfer activity does not stop there. They are also closing in on a deal for full-back Mathieu Debuchy.
The France international, also wanted by Inter Milan, has informed Lille he wants to join Newcastle in a £7m deal to team up with Yohan Cabaye.
Debuchy said: "Despite my commitment to Lille - the club is in my heart - I am 100 per cent committed to leaving. I want to leave LOSC. The coach wants to keep me but I will not change my opinion."
And Lille boss Rudi Garcia said: "He has expressed his wish to leave. I understand that. Now we are searching for a possible replacement."
Newcastle have been hoping to sell Danny Simpson, who has 12 months left on his contract, before completing the signature of Debuchy.
But one of the clubs interested in landing Simpson are also looking around. They are known to have been in touch with Nottingham Forest over the possible purchase of Chris Gunter.
Reds interest in Ba could lead to Carroll deal
8:00am Wednesday 18th July 2012 in Sport By Paul Fraser, Chief Football Writer
SENEGALESE striker Demba Ba could be the key bargaining tool in Newcastle United's attempts to take England's Andy Carroll back to Tyneside.
Liverpool's new boss Brendan Rodgers is attempting to transform the face of the squad he has inherited and as well as offloading Carroll he is keen to give his attack a fresh look.
After landing Fabio Borini from Roma, Rodgers is hoping to bring in Theo Walcott from Arsenal. Sources close to the Anfield club suggest Joe Cole, following the end of his Lille loan, will also have a chance to revive his Merseyside career.
And with Luis Suarez lined up to spearhead Liverpool's attack, Rodgers is ready to offload target-man Carroll at the right price and the aim is to replace him with a more versatile forward.
Ba is one of those under consideration. He was even before it became clear that Newcastle had made an official offer to take Carroll on a season-long loan with a view to a permanent deal at the end of next season.
The 27-year-old, who started and scored the winner in Monday night's friendly with Monaco in Germany, has been the subject of speculation all summer because of a £7m clause in his contract.
That clause is, reportedly, due to expire at the end of the month and Newcastle manager Alan Pardew has stated that he would prefer to keep the former West Ham man next season.
However, it has emerged that Ba will be mentioned by Liverpool in any further discussions which take place about the possible departure of Carroll.
Ba's preference is to play as the figurehead in attack and as well as providing that option he also offers the versatility which Rodgers is seeking from the forwards he has in his squad.
Liverpool are asking £20m for Carroll, but their interest in Ba would help to lower that fee significantly - down to somewhere close to what Newcastle would like to pay for the man they sold for £35m 18 months ago.
Pardew has been looking to bring in a new striker this summer after sanctioning the departures of Leon Best and Peter Lovenkrands.
Newcastle had been in discussions with Twente for their Dutch talent Luuk de Jong, but admitted defeat when the Eredivisie outfit demanded more cash.
And yesterday Borussia Monchengladbach - whose interest and preferred destination of the player was reported in The Northern Echo last month - completed the signing of de Jong. He signed a five-year deal, with the Germans paying £10m-plus a further £2m in add-ons.
After pulling out of the race to sign de Jong, Pardew turned his attention to Carroll. And he said: "That whole process is a little bit more involved with the chairman and the board at Liverpool.
"We have got a great team here, a great squad, and if Andy Carroll comes it will only add to us. It's simple, really.
"Sometimes transfers are done at corporate level. I'm slightly detached from that. It will be what it will be.
"It's been said that he's available and if we are involved, then we will be involved because of the figures, not anything else, because we know he's good enough."
Newcastle's transfer activity does not stop there. They are also closing in on a deal for full-back Mathieu Debuchy.
The France international, also wanted by Inter Milan, has informed Lille he wants to join Newcastle in a £7m deal to team up with Yohan Cabaye.
Debuchy said: "Despite my commitment to Lille - the club is in my heart - I am 100 per cent committed to leaving. I want to leave LOSC. The coach wants to keep me but I will not change my opinion."
And Lille boss Rudi Garcia said: "He has expressed his wish to leave. I understand that. Now we are searching for a possible replacement."
Newcastle have been hoping to sell Danny Simpson, who has 12 months left on his contract, before completing the signature of Debuchy.
But one of the clubs interested in landing Simpson are also looking around. They are known to have been in touch with Nottingham Forest over the possible purchase of Chris Gunter.
Good, that means he's staying so.
If it's 16 mill + Ba, do you take it?
Take it? I think then you wake up.
Yes, of course. I doubt that will be the deal on the table though.
We can tell them it's that or nothing, and see what their response is. In fact I hope we do.
Ok, lets.
If people can put aside their allegiances for a moment and just read this post they'll recognize how accurate it is.
Questioning Rodger's performance in negotiating a sale of Carroll doesn't equate to underming him as the manager. He could continue to be a sensational manager and I genuinely think he will be but that press conference wasn't smart; whether it somehow works out well or not will not change this fact.
Isn't Ba the same guy who's knee is held together by blu tac?
Both very good points - The last time a negotiating 'expert' took control of transfers though we ended up paying 35Million for Carroll. I feel sick when I think about that now.
No more so now than it was when he joined the Toon, and look how *that's* gone.
No one will convince me that Comolli didn't walk away from Liverpool without brown paper bags and swiss accounts stuffed with kickbacks from agents. The point is that it should be relatively easy to recruit someone who can batter prices up or down. As I say, you either can or can't do it - and listening to Rodgers press conference it's pretty obvious he's in the can't gang. Maybe it was easy at Swansea where everyone knows you have no money and the margin for error doesn't mean much, but you need to keep one hand on your balls when you're dealing with sharks.
Bit early in the morning for head-scratchers like that, mate.
Sage advice Master Woland.
Cause I think the underlying fear many here have is that we haven't yet got any value for the money we spent. So instead we should keep him for another year in the hope that he'll improve and increase his value.
If we bought Carroll for £10 Million and they offered us let's say £6 million would it make a difference?
No. The price paid then has nothing to do with it.
Carroll is playing well and is a full international, scoring goals in finals and major tournaments. He's worth 20m quid, whether we'd paid nothing or 50m, he's worth 20m right now.
Unless you say you want to sell him, at which point his price deflates dramatically.
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