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Andy Carroll In Danger Yo !
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it's very very common for racists to have no idea they're racist as well. the first step is admitting it to themselves.
yes skully, 'truth hurts' ... fabs - ban me please.
You heard the man.....BAN HIIIIIIIIIIIM !!!
if you had any balls or integrity you'd ban yourself.
Didn't he score over 2 seasons in a row before he signed for us?
I know once was in championship but still goals.
Hope he stands his ground and goes out on loan if LFC are so determined to force him out, has a good season with NFC and then comes back whether it's under Rodgers or under a new manager in a seasons time or in Jan ( if loaned with a recall option ).
I'm obviously exaggerating, but I don't see him as getting anything more than 15 ever in a season, he just doesn't strike me as that type of player, he's more a centre forward. Maybe with the service, but that's wholly dependent on it being tailored around him, which won't happen at many clubs. He has to bust a gut himself to get goals, it can't all be about how good the crossing is from outwide. Besides that, we delivered him some good balls last season and he fucked up more than he converted.
Sounds like a dig?
Heh, not sure if it's a dig at Kenny or Carroll.
It does sound like, maybe he's just too honest for his own good, but he's right, there shouldn't really be an issue over systems and shit when talking about players that cost that much money. Sadly there is a smidgeon of validity to the concerns, about whether he'd 'fit'.
As much I've criticized Kenny for his transfers, us paying £35 Million for him doesn't have anything to do with Kenny. That's on Comolli.
So if it's a dig, it's definitely aimed at either Carroll for not being good enough or Comolli for paying them a stupid amount for him.
So if it's a dig, it's definitely aimed at either Carroll for not being good enough or Comolli for paying them a stupid amount for him.
I didn't really see it as a dig about us paying the money, it's more a point about him living upto the price tag. Take whichever view you want from that, either he's putting it to him to prove he can fit the system, or again, he's telling him that he's overpriced and not wanted.
It's certainly ambiguous, again. Like I said a few days back, contrast it to what he said about Suarez, Skrtel and Agger. They were given 'hands off' plaudits, this is more like an open invitation for the press to have a field day and interest and speculation to be gathered.
it is great being called a racist! I mean, who can I thank for this? Doc? Themn? Oncey?
Do you have balls? or integrity?
We disagree about Aquilani - I think he's fragile, you think he's broken.
and Kuyt, and..... actually, scrap that first post, I'm taking my kiss back.
i dont care who you get as long as i can have a go at the greeks, they invented gayness!
So the only real quote to come out of this, and it had drawn little reaction.
Maybe because it makes sense and contradicts most of the stuff that has been spouted in the press and elsewhere over the last couple of weeks.
regards
Maybe because it makes sense and contradicts most of the stuff that has been spouted in the press and elsewhere over the last couple of weeks.
regards
Why are you taking this seriously?
Youre such an odd dude.
I'm not reading 900+ posts so I'll just quote Graham Taylor?
"what sort of thing is happening here?"
A loan to Newcastle? Fuck off.
Has Rodgers specifically said Carroll's not in his plans? I heard him say he'd talk to him or something and then everyone seemed to have decided he wants his gone?
"what sort of thing is happening here?"
A loan to Newcastle? Fuck off.
Has Rodgers specifically said Carroll's not in his plans? I heard him say he'd talk to him or something and then everyone seemed to have decided he wants his gone?
Wednesday, 18 July 2012
Andy Carroll: What should we do with a drunken Geordie?
Andy Carroll is a man who polarises footballing opinion.
Some Liverpool fans think, given time, he will become a monstrous striker. The sort of player who gives goalkeepers sleepless nights and has centre-backs scrambling for their immodium. He may become a player who can toy with defences, hold them in the palm of his hand and then destroy them. A player who can dominate the air, whose link up play is decent and a left-foot like a panjandrum.
Those who defend him point to the last couple of months of last season, his time at Newcastle (particularly a performance where he marmalised Arsenal and even had arch-aesthete Wenger purring) and that stunning header against Sweden.
Others think he is a great pudding of a player. A player with the touch of a landmine and the turning circle of an oil tanker. They point to other performances for Liverpool when he has looked leaden, slow and disjointed. They point to the fact that he looked out of place in a fairly dismal Liverpool team. If he looked out of place last season in an oftentimes toothless Liverpool, they say, imagine how we will look with Rodgers in charge. Asking Carroll to finish the chances Rodgers' team will create will be like asking Jackson Pollock to finish a Georges Seurat.
What happens next polarises Liverpool fans too.
Some think a man who cost £35m should be given more time. Others like the fact that Rodgers, a new man at the helm, has the brass-neck and big-balls to offload a big-name player. It might smack of arrogance on the Ulsterman's part but then Liverpool fans like that. Some see a zealot, others see a man who is confident in his ideas. Some see a man who is on a doomed to failure, others see a man walking through a storm.
Loan madness
What most agree on, however, is the idea of sending him on loan for a season (especially one rigged in such a way that Liverpool subsidise his salary). Either use him or lose him but don't send him to footballing purgatory. Aquilani shows us that way lies madness - forever tantalising the support that he will either return and reign glorious or will, at least, bring in a juicy fee.
The only possible upside for Liverpool sending him on loan is one littered with downsides. If he has a stellar season his likely transfer fee will rise. Each goal he scores though will be a dagger to the heart of the Liverpool support a little dig at the Rodgers project. If - and it is an if - Rodgers' team wobbles, and Carroll is banging in the goals, Brendan will look mighty silly double so if we are still paying Carroll's wages.
If Carroll does do well, regardless of how well Liverpool do under Rodgers, it is likely the manager will be eating hunks of humble pie and may have to find a space for him.
If Carroll, however, continues to bumble along - sometimes excellent, sometimes woeful - his transfer fee will drop and Liverpool will, once again, kick themselves. They will see a year of subsidising a player's wages whilst losing value all the time.
If Carroll has a terrible season the problems of bumbling along are magnified although Rodgers looks like a seer for loaning him out.
Swansealona and Plan B
Rodgers is well-known for his ''Swansealona'' approach to the game. There is a feeling that an old-style English forward can't fit in a game based on possession, intricacy and manipulation of space. Rodgers did play with Danny Graham as a forward at Swansea but Graham is a more mobile player than Carroll and, moreover, Rodgers didn't have either (a) the money to buy a player like Borini (b) have a player of the quality of Suarez to build a team around.
As it happens, I think Carroll is under-rated with the ball. There were a few times last season when he had his head up and a moment on the ball and he played sweeping passes around the pitch. That doesn't necessarily mean he can fit into a free-flowing team.
A bigger challenge for him to fit into a Rodgers team is his part in an overall pressing game that Rodgers will implement. Liverpool's other strikers (Borini, Suarez and Bellamy) are all mobile, quick and hyperactive. They will play a crucial part in that pressing game and will help ease the burden on the midfielders. Carroll, for all his strengths, isn't noted for his work-rate or for his pressing. In Rodgers' Liverpool the system is all. Carroll may have to be sacrificed for the good of the system.
There is an argument that Carroll should be Liverpool's Plan B. The theory goes Liverpool can play the fancy stuff, the tiki-taka stuff, all it wants but - presumably on cold wet nights in Stoke - we might need to lump it to a big man. Others may say he will become an impact sub who with Liverpool drawing 0-0 after 70 minutes, having passed a team into submission, to throw on the matador to knife the bull.
This is all well and good and a £35 million, England international Plan B is one that may be immediately appealing. However, it wouldn't be good for Carroll and it probably wouldn't be good for Liverpool or England. It takes a special sort of manager to convince an international player that the bench is the best place for him.
So Carroll polarises us. However, it is difficult not to feel sorry for him. It isn't his fault that Liverpool struggled last season. It isn't his fault that Dalglish didn't seem to give him a run of games knackering his confidence. It isn't his fault that Liverpool paid £35m for him which is an amount that is written in every article (including this one). Poor old Carroll.
Yet don't feel too sorry for him. He may have the last word. Players have a history of wreaking revenge on their former clubs. If you want to see what odds there are on Carroll outscoring Suarez go to justbookies.com for free bets and visit betting.me for sports tips.
http://leftbackinthechangingroom.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/andy-carroll-what-should-we-do-with.html
Andy Carroll: What should we do with a drunken Geordie?
Andy Carroll is a man who polarises footballing opinion.
Some Liverpool fans think, given time, he will become a monstrous striker. The sort of player who gives goalkeepers sleepless nights and has centre-backs scrambling for their immodium. He may become a player who can toy with defences, hold them in the palm of his hand and then destroy them. A player who can dominate the air, whose link up play is decent and a left-foot like a panjandrum.
Those who defend him point to the last couple of months of last season, his time at Newcastle (particularly a performance where he marmalised Arsenal and even had arch-aesthete Wenger purring) and that stunning header against Sweden.
Others think he is a great pudding of a player. A player with the touch of a landmine and the turning circle of an oil tanker. They point to other performances for Liverpool when he has looked leaden, slow and disjointed. They point to the fact that he looked out of place in a fairly dismal Liverpool team. If he looked out of place last season in an oftentimes toothless Liverpool, they say, imagine how we will look with Rodgers in charge. Asking Carroll to finish the chances Rodgers' team will create will be like asking Jackson Pollock to finish a Georges Seurat.
What happens next polarises Liverpool fans too.
Some think a man who cost £35m should be given more time. Others like the fact that Rodgers, a new man at the helm, has the brass-neck and big-balls to offload a big-name player. It might smack of arrogance on the Ulsterman's part but then Liverpool fans like that. Some see a zealot, others see a man who is confident in his ideas. Some see a man who is on a doomed to failure, others see a man walking through a storm.
Loan madness
What most agree on, however, is the idea of sending him on loan for a season (especially one rigged in such a way that Liverpool subsidise his salary). Either use him or lose him but don't send him to footballing purgatory. Aquilani shows us that way lies madness - forever tantalising the support that he will either return and reign glorious or will, at least, bring in a juicy fee.
The only possible upside for Liverpool sending him on loan is one littered with downsides. If he has a stellar season his likely transfer fee will rise. Each goal he scores though will be a dagger to the heart of the Liverpool support a little dig at the Rodgers project. If - and it is an if - Rodgers' team wobbles, and Carroll is banging in the goals, Brendan will look mighty silly double so if we are still paying Carroll's wages.
If Carroll does do well, regardless of how well Liverpool do under Rodgers, it is likely the manager will be eating hunks of humble pie and may have to find a space for him.
If Carroll, however, continues to bumble along - sometimes excellent, sometimes woeful - his transfer fee will drop and Liverpool will, once again, kick themselves. They will see a year of subsidising a player's wages whilst losing value all the time.
If Carroll has a terrible season the problems of bumbling along are magnified although Rodgers looks like a seer for loaning him out.
Swansealona and Plan B
Rodgers is well-known for his ''Swansealona'' approach to the game. There is a feeling that an old-style English forward can't fit in a game based on possession, intricacy and manipulation of space. Rodgers did play with Danny Graham as a forward at Swansea but Graham is a more mobile player than Carroll and, moreover, Rodgers didn't have either (a) the money to buy a player like Borini (b) have a player of the quality of Suarez to build a team around.
As it happens, I think Carroll is under-rated with the ball. There were a few times last season when he had his head up and a moment on the ball and he played sweeping passes around the pitch. That doesn't necessarily mean he can fit into a free-flowing team.
A bigger challenge for him to fit into a Rodgers team is his part in an overall pressing game that Rodgers will implement. Liverpool's other strikers (Borini, Suarez and Bellamy) are all mobile, quick and hyperactive. They will play a crucial part in that pressing game and will help ease the burden on the midfielders. Carroll, for all his strengths, isn't noted for his work-rate or for his pressing. In Rodgers' Liverpool the system is all. Carroll may have to be sacrificed for the good of the system.
There is an argument that Carroll should be Liverpool's Plan B. The theory goes Liverpool can play the fancy stuff, the tiki-taka stuff, all it wants but - presumably on cold wet nights in Stoke - we might need to lump it to a big man. Others may say he will become an impact sub who with Liverpool drawing 0-0 after 70 minutes, having passed a team into submission, to throw on the matador to knife the bull.
This is all well and good and a £35 million, England international Plan B is one that may be immediately appealing. However, it wouldn't be good for Carroll and it probably wouldn't be good for Liverpool or England. It takes a special sort of manager to convince an international player that the bench is the best place for him.
So Carroll polarises us. However, it is difficult not to feel sorry for him. It isn't his fault that Liverpool struggled last season. It isn't his fault that Dalglish didn't seem to give him a run of games knackering his confidence. It isn't his fault that Liverpool paid £35m for him which is an amount that is written in every article (including this one). Poor old Carroll.
Yet don't feel too sorry for him. He may have the last word. Players have a history of wreaking revenge on their former clubs. If you want to see what odds there are on Carroll outscoring Suarez go to justbookies.com for free bets and visit betting.me for sports tips.
http://leftbackinthechangingroom.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/andy-carroll-what-should-we-do-with.html
He's made it obvious to people who are capable of reading between the lines that he's for sale. Now we're just waiting for an acceptable offer and he'll be sold.
The Liverpool manager, Brendan Rodgers, has called Newcastle’s audacious loan bid for Andy Carroll “ridiculous” and warned that only a straight cash deal will take the England striker back to the North East.
By Chris Bascombe in Boston
10:30PM BST 18 Jul 2012
Rodgers insists Carroll, 23, will join the Liverpool squad on their American tour next week, but also confirmed the club had made inquiries for Fulham’s Clint Dempsey and are interested in Swansea’s Joe Allen – although both deals are complicated.
Rodgers, who has also advised his star striker, Luis Suárez, to “move on” from last season’s race row with Patrice Evra, has given short shrift to the suggestion Newcastle can take their former striker back on a temporary basis.
Rodgers said: “The club invested £35 million in the player and there has been a lot written and spoken over the last couple of weeks. For me, it’s simple. The player is still part of this group and the only way we would think about him going out is the same as any other player.
"If there was an offer to take him on a permanent deal, we’d have to look at it, but that’s no different to any player. The thought of him going on loan for one year is ridiculous, really.
“It is that part of the year where there is a game going on with agents and other people, but the reality is he will join us here in Boston next week. He is a talented player and we will review what happens from there
“I’ve spoken to Andy – I made the time to speak to all the players either verbally or through texts – so the communication is there.
"I specifically spoke to him and was straight with him. I’m looking forward to him coming back and we will take it from there.”
While Carroll’s future needs to be resolved, Liverpool’s moves for new recruits have been prone to a faux pas. The New England Sports Network website – the media company that owns Liverpool – wrongly announced that Fulham’s Clint Dempsey had signed on Wednesday and was forced to acknowledge the error.
Liverpool’s media staff have no control over the NESN output, but it undoubtedly caused embarrassment and will not help further talks with Fulham. Rodgers, however, did confirm he has made an approach to sign the 29 year-old.
“We made a couple of inquiries to Fulham for him. He is a talented player, but there has been nothing more than that, even though I’d heard he was joining the squad today – that was interesting,” said Rodgers. “That’s about it on that.”
Rodgers has also confirmed his interest in Swansea midfielder Allen.
“I have a great relationship with Swansea, but if there is a market for any of the players I would like to be in that market,” he said.
“They respect that. He is a very talented player, which everyone knows, but there is nothing more at the moment. When players come to a club such as Liverpool, it’s never straightforward.
"There are always other barriers and difficulties. At this moment, there are ongoing negotiations on a few targets.
“We hope we’re close to some deals. I need to evaluate the players we have and assess the squad and bring some in to bring freshness to the group.
"As a manager you want them in sooner rather than later, but the main thing is to get them in before the beginning of the season. If we do that, our job will be done.”
Rodgers is still working with a shadow Liverpool squad while the bulk of the Euro 2012 squad and Olympic representatives are still away.
After Suárez revived the issue of his eight match ban on Uruguay television, Rodgers said he was eager for the striker to put that incident behind him.
“I was only party to all that from the outside looking in,” said Rodgers. “It was an unfortunate episode and it had its ramifications, but that is it and I’m not one to regurgitate it all and bring it up.
"I can’t put words into players’ mouths, but I can certainly give advice and my advice has already been ‘lets move forward’ so lets concentrate on that.
“Liverpool, historically, does its talking on the pitch and that’s what we’ll look to do.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...n-Rodgers.html
By Chris Bascombe in Boston
10:30PM BST 18 Jul 2012
Rodgers insists Carroll, 23, will join the Liverpool squad on their American tour next week, but also confirmed the club had made inquiries for Fulham’s Clint Dempsey and are interested in Swansea’s Joe Allen – although both deals are complicated.
Rodgers, who has also advised his star striker, Luis Suárez, to “move on” from last season’s race row with Patrice Evra, has given short shrift to the suggestion Newcastle can take their former striker back on a temporary basis.
Rodgers said: “The club invested £35 million in the player and there has been a lot written and spoken over the last couple of weeks. For me, it’s simple. The player is still part of this group and the only way we would think about him going out is the same as any other player.
"If there was an offer to take him on a permanent deal, we’d have to look at it, but that’s no different to any player. The thought of him going on loan for one year is ridiculous, really.
“It is that part of the year where there is a game going on with agents and other people, but the reality is he will join us here in Boston next week. He is a talented player and we will review what happens from there
“I’ve spoken to Andy – I made the time to speak to all the players either verbally or through texts – so the communication is there.
"I specifically spoke to him and was straight with him. I’m looking forward to him coming back and we will take it from there.”
While Carroll’s future needs to be resolved, Liverpool’s moves for new recruits have been prone to a faux pas. The New England Sports Network website – the media company that owns Liverpool – wrongly announced that Fulham’s Clint Dempsey had signed on Wednesday and was forced to acknowledge the error.
Liverpool’s media staff have no control over the NESN output, but it undoubtedly caused embarrassment and will not help further talks with Fulham. Rodgers, however, did confirm he has made an approach to sign the 29 year-old.
“We made a couple of inquiries to Fulham for him. He is a talented player, but there has been nothing more than that, even though I’d heard he was joining the squad today – that was interesting,” said Rodgers. “That’s about it on that.”
Rodgers has also confirmed his interest in Swansea midfielder Allen.
“I have a great relationship with Swansea, but if there is a market for any of the players I would like to be in that market,” he said.
“They respect that. He is a very talented player, which everyone knows, but there is nothing more at the moment. When players come to a club such as Liverpool, it’s never straightforward.
"There are always other barriers and difficulties. At this moment, there are ongoing negotiations on a few targets.
“We hope we’re close to some deals. I need to evaluate the players we have and assess the squad and bring some in to bring freshness to the group.
"As a manager you want them in sooner rather than later, but the main thing is to get them in before the beginning of the season. If we do that, our job will be done.”
Rodgers is still working with a shadow Liverpool squad while the bulk of the Euro 2012 squad and Olympic representatives are still away.
After Suárez revived the issue of his eight match ban on Uruguay television, Rodgers said he was eager for the striker to put that incident behind him.
“I was only party to all that from the outside looking in,” said Rodgers. “It was an unfortunate episode and it had its ramifications, but that is it and I’m not one to regurgitate it all and bring it up.
"I can’t put words into players’ mouths, but I can certainly give advice and my advice has already been ‘lets move forward’ so lets concentrate on that.
“Liverpool, historically, does its talking on the pitch and that’s what we’ll look to do.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...n-Rodgers.html
You were one of his stronger supporters, Vlad.
Is there a deal which involved Carroll leaving that you'd be happy with? Would bringing Ba the other way be ok for you?
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