• You may have to login or register before you can post and view our exclusive members only forums.
    To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

When Phillipe's off form..

Forums Unread posts
Status
Not open for further replies.
juniormember

juniormember

Well-Known
Member
He becomes horribly ineffective doesn't he..
I don't understand how someone so gifted can misplace so many passes and shoot with no accuracy.
He's so, so good when on form.
I was actually hoping Lucas would stay on, with Phillipe coming off for Sturridge so we could go 4-4-2 with Sterling allowed to go anywhere he wanted.


His inconsistency is what's stopping him from being the star of the Brazilian team. The talent's there for all to see.
Hope he gets back to his best during the next two games.
 
juniormember said:
He becomes horribly ineffective doesn't he..
I don't understand how someone so gifted can misplace so many passes and shoot with no accuracy.
He's so, so good when on form.
I was actually hoping Lucas would stay on, with Phillipe coming off for Sturridge so we could go 4-4-2 with Sterling allowed to go anywhere he wanted.


His inconsistency is what's stopping him from being the star of the Brazilian team. The talent's there for all to see.
Hope he gets back to his best during the next two games.
Click to expand...



He was being hounded by about 50 defenders yesdy.... give the lad a break... Chelsea parked the bus from the get go and we through pure accident threw them a goal... thats it... any more analysis is just balls IMO.
 
Yup. A mistake by our best footballer of a generation cost us. That is it. Shit happens. No blame can be accorded to anyone for an accident, even though a careless one.
 
Whenever we were looking at attacking players during the Jan transfer window, there were a few of us behind strengthening the attack versus getting in more defenders.

The thinking behind that was, we'd played most of our key away games against top teams where defensive solidity was key & were facing a second half to the season where breaking down resolute opposition defences was going to be key.

We've been magnificent in attack during the second half of the season - but there was always going to come a moment where we would get undone by limited options.

The problem with Henderson and particularly Allen & Lucas in the midfield positions is that they can't score. We need the option in that group of someone more creative & can chip in with a few goals.

Generally that person has been Coutinho - but his shooting can be terrible & when any of Sturridge, Suarez or Sterling have been injured or ineffective - he's been the one to move to a more forward position on the left - were he's less effective.

With Moses being shite, the signing of Konoplyanka or Salah made perfect sense - and yesterday was the point when the failure to land either hurt us - forced to chase a game against a team set out to stop us, we simply ran out of options.
 
juniormember said:
Why?
Click to expand...


Because what was it 75% possesion? Chelsea had 10 behind the ball and were timewasting within the first few minutes... Coutinho was harried continually and had no space to pass into, he can only make telling through balls and create if there was room to do so and yesterday there simply wasn't. Against a fucking masterclass in anti football. It was reminiscent of your small teams coming along and parking the bus hoping to nick it just with 200M worth of players.

It may have changed if Chelsea had not been gifted a goal and been forced to actually leave their own half but sadly they were and so they didnt... picking out Coutinho as some kind of weak link is just adding insult to the inujury inflicted upon us. Really nothing to analyse we were set to dominate the game and then shot ourselves in the foot. No mystery, no blame just truly bad luck IMO.
 
The possession stat is a load of balls. Regardless of the mistake, I always felt that Chelsea looked the more likely to score. We were all hustle and bustle, pumping aimless balls into the box. Yeah it was a mistake that ultimately opened things up for them, but let's not pretend that it was anything but a blunt performance, because it was.
 
mark1975 said:
The possession stat is a load of balls. Regardless of the mistake, I always felt that Chelsea looked the more likely to score. We were all hustle and bustle, pumping aimless balls into the box. Yeah it was a mistake that ultimately opened things up for them, but let's not pretend that it was anything but a blunt performance, because it wasn't.
Click to expand...
You mean it was. 🙂
 
Molbystwin said:
Because what was it 75% possesion? Chelsea had 10 behind the ball and were timewasting within the first few minutes... Coutinho was harried continually and had no space to pass into, he can only make telling through balls and create if there was room to do so and yesterday there simply wasn't. Against a fucking masterclass in anti football. It was reminiscent of your small teams coming along and parking the bus hoping to nick it just with 200M worth of players.

It may have changed if Chelsea had not been gifted a goal and been forced to actually leave their own half but sadly they were and so they didnt... picking out Coutinho as some kind of weak link is just adding insult to the inujury inflicted upon us. Really nothing to analyse we were set to dominate the game and then shot ourselves in the foot. No mystery, no blame just truly bad luck IMO.
Click to expand...
But when Coutinho's in top form the space afforded to him makes no difference. The vision and speed of the pass is phenomenal. Particularly in crowded areas. That's what makes him great for a team like us where opposing teams inevitably park the bus.
When he's off form he hits it too hard, doesn't find his man at all, or goes for goal with horribly taken shots.
He'll be world class if he can find consistency to his game, and I don't know why you'd want to ignore this.

Next season I'm sure we'll have players that can come in when he's not very good, but when he's on song I don't think I'd rather have anybody else in the world behind SAS so the hope is he becomes a better player by getting consistently high level performances in most games.
 
Just to be clear I'm not blaming our defeat on Coutinho.
All of our attackers were pretty ordinary compared to their usual standards.
Even the genius Suarez, who contributes to a goal or two every game even when out of form, didn't perform to his standards.

Just wanted to discuss Coutinho on what I've thought for the last year.
He was great when he came in Jan, then went a little shite, got dropped, then became a genius again towards the end of last season, then came back a little shite, went right back into form, and now he's again dropped off a bit.
We need him to be piercing those balls through the Crystal Palace defence in our next game.
 
I just felt we were too impatient with the ball after they scored.

We seemed to flip between playing passes around the area until we lost it or blasting shots.

I think we'd have been better playing that passing game slightly further back to draw out at least some of their defenders & then let Suarez & Sterling do what they've done best, & run at them with the ball.
 
Was surprised Flanagan came off and not Coutinho. The game pretty much died at that point, got even narrower and we could have played till it went dark without scoring
 
Chelsea had no interest in being drawn out - I could have told you in January how they were going to set up.

Back four deep & compact, 2 holding midfielders stationed in the key area in front of the back four, just outside the box - another midfielder just in front of them & wide players dropping back to support FB's.

After that - it's set plays & capitalising on mistakes. If they needed a goal, then they would have pushed forward in the last 15 minutes.

It's exactly how Mourinho set up away to Arsenal & Man City. He doesn't set up to win - he sets up not to get beat.

I'm not moaning that he did it - that's his prerogative. I don't even care that he emotes horrible spoiling tactics right from the start.

What I'm fucked off about is that it worked... not because it was brilliant.... but because of one unfortunate slip.

It was a chance for football to out do anti-football.

Evil is not supposed to triumph over good - the dragon gets slayed, Hydra's plot gets foiled, Voldemort doesn't win the war, Vader doesn't get to rule the galaxy, Tom doesn't eat Jerry, the ring doesn't make it's way back to Sauron.

Instead we're Rob Stark and we've just sat down to dinner after getting married.

*goes back to reading comic books*
 
Coutinho has been over-praised for ages. I'm sick to death of his over-hit passes, his atrociously limp long range shots that barely have the pace to creep out of play and his crosses that loop high over everyone's head. Normally he also plays a couple of great balls, which leads people to wipe the memory of everything else from their heads, and they hail him as MOTM.
 
StevieM said:
I don't agree with that bit at all.
Click to expand...

Me neither. Without Stevie's mistake we could still be playing now and neither team would have scored. If we had the ability to get a 0-0 draw when required we would have been fine. With those twats time-wasting and putting ten men behind the ball from the first whistle we could have just passed it sideways for 90 minutes.
 
Holle said:
He's a bit like Luis Garcia without the goals.
Click to expand...
Except Coutinho has threaded more brilliant through balls for our players, both on the break and when in the attacking third in one year than Garcia did in 3.
Garcia was much more of a goal threat and scored some beauties as well as follow up goals, but was nowhere near as good on the rest of the field and gave even more of the ball away than Coutinho, particularly in stupid areas in our own half.
Loved Garcia, but they're not alike, with or without the goals.
 
In a couple of years he'll be more experienced in how to deal with these kinda setups. The benefits of having a young squad is that we can learn from these mistakes and improve them
 
Coutinho is what 21?

Next year we'll have a few more players who can compete with him for an automatic starting place. If he is off form he can be withdrawn for someone else or made sit on the bench to regain some form slowly. He had been rotating with Sterling for a good part of the season but injuries to Lucas and Sturridge has found him in the team most weeks.

He was very good against City and got us the winner. I don't see Coutinho as a pressing problem.
 
He is only 21, I'm hoping as he matures he can develop some consistency in his game.
Perhaps he could build confidence from performing well in training, coming on for little cameos etc. I think he's doing fine for this season. His shooting needs to improve but I like him as a player.

What would you like to see being done with Coutinho?
 
Woland said:
Was surprised Flanagan came off and not Coutinho. The game pretty much died at that point, got even narrower and we could have played till it went dark without scoring
Click to expand...

I thought Flanno was really good yesterday. At one point there was 20 bodies in their pen area, not easy for anyone to score against that.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

rurikbird
    • Like
Different Gravy
9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17
Replies
494
Views
14K
King Binny
King Binny
Squiggles
  • Locked
Weekends Other Games 31-8-24
2 3 4 5
Replies
138
Views
2K
Mamma Mia
Mamma Mia
Squiggles
    • Like
  • Locked
Other PL Games 24-25/08/2024
2 3 4 5 6
Replies
156
Views
3K
CueEye
C
rurikbird
    • Like
  • Locked
Are we better than we thought?
2 3
Replies
84
Views
2K
Frogfish
Frogfish
Squiggles
    • Like
  • Locked
05/10/2024 - Weeks Other Games Thread
2 3
Replies
60
Views
1K
rubans
rubans
Back
Top Bottom