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Walcott refuses to extend his contract

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Mystic said:
You're effectively saying he'll match the best wingers in the league. You completely underestimate the other wingers and completely overestimate Sterling. If he got 5 league goals this season that would be outstanding and much more than we could expect. Don't be so deluded.
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I'm not underestimating anybody, Lennon, Valencia and Young are shite. Mata I honestly haven't seen enough of, and it was only his first season last year. I've seen a ton of Swansea and don't particularly rate Dyer, and think he would struggle in a top team. The rest I have said are a cut above but are on much of a par bar Nani, who when on song is the league's best winger at the minute. But those 3 that I mentioned in the bracket of 6-10 goals a season, I do think Sterling could very soon match, as I've said the lad knows where the goal is.

My point initially, that you missed spectacularly, is rather than spunking £12M and 70-80k a week on wages on Walcott, why don't we develop our own young winger, who seems to have an eye for goal, into the next Walcott/A damn sight better than Walcott. That way we can take said £12M and buy in a striker, who we need a damn sight more than a wing forward.

And do you think I'm honestly saying start Sterling in every league game? Cos if you do you are the one who is deluded.
 
I like Walcott. Remember, he is still only 23 too! I think he is still to mature into a more assured player but rate him as a 'game changer' who is also capable to play down the centre which is a position I prefer seeing him in.
 
doctor_mac said:
Is he turning down 75 grand because he doesn't think it is enough, or is he turning down the contract because he never seems to be a guaranteed starter for Wenger?
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Money isn't enough I'd guess.

same as Song. Song's agent approached Arsenal 6 times to renegotiate his 55k a week contract, and Arsenal rebuffed them because there was 3 years left.
 
I think that if he moves we have a great chance of getting him, sadly I think there will be a compromize with Arsenal regarding a new contract. But I've been thinking that all summer and nothing has happened.
 
Fallon said:
I'm not underestimating anybody, Lennon, Valencia and Young are shite. Mata I honestly haven't seen enough of, and it was only his first season last year. I've seen a ton of Swansea and don't particularly rate Dyer, and think he would struggle in a top team. The rest I have said are a cut above but are on much of a par bar Nani, who when on song is the league's best winger at the minute. But those 3 that I mentioned in the bracket of 6-10 goals a season, I do think Sterling could very soon match, as I've said the lad knows where the goal is.

My point initially, that you missed spectacularly, is rather than spunking £12M and 70-80k a week on wages on Walcott, why don't we develop our own young winger, who seems to have an eye for goal, into the next Walcott/A damn sight better than Walcott. That way we can take said £12M and buy in a striker, who we need a damn sight more than a wing forward.

And do you think I'm honestly saying start Sterling in every league game? Cos if you do you are the one who is deluded.
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You said that if Sterling played 65 games from today he'd score 18 or more goals, that's what I'm arguing, because it's quite frankly stupid.
 
From the Arsenal blog:


The negotiations have, reportedly, been unsuccessful and from what I can gather the sticking point with us isn’t the money. Players will ask for many things when they discuss new contracts and while I can’t go into specifics it’s this, more than anything, that’s causing the problem. While there’s certainly a monetary aspect to it, every agent wants his player to earn as much as possible for obvious reasons, there appears to be more than that to this current situation at Arsenal.
 
I've heard that he wants Arsene to stop giving him a lift home after training. He gets creeped out every time Wenger asks him, 'would you like a sweetie, little boy'. Also, he wants six months off every year to race for McClaren.
 
Mystic said:
You said that if Sterling played 65 games from today he'd score 18 or more goals, that's what I'm arguing, because it's quite frankly stupid.
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Show me where I said today? And I never said 18. Walcott has scored 17 in that many for a bloody start. What I said was that I'd expect Sterling to have reached a similar tally (so 15ish) by the time he has played that many games (which probably wont be until after the next season). You were the one who took that ball, and sped off at a billion miles an hour.
 
So, really, the whole Sterling thing isn't all that relevant. We need somebody who can do it this season. Walcott can do it this season.
 
We need someone who can score goals this season, ideally someone more than 7/8 though, so that rules Walcott out. Hence I don't see the need to spend £12m on him.
 
We could do a lot worse than Walcott, especially if it's for around 10 - 12m.
He's only 23 ffs. Still a lot to learn, but has improved alot already in the last 2 seasons.
I think he would suit BR's style of play.

Put it this way, given the choice of Walcott VS Downing, who will you choose?
I know who I would.
 
Fallon said:
We need someone who can score goals this season, ideally someone more than 7/8 though, so that rules Walcott out. Hence I don't see the need to spend £12m on him.
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I'd be more than happy with eight or nine goals - like the last two seasons - and ten or twelve assists.
 
I guess that's one way of looking at it. There's no way Van Persie gets so many goals if Walcott doesn't consistently put it on a plate for him is another.
 
Yeah, exactly. If he can create ten for us and add another ten himself, that's surely money well spent? That's a very good return from a wide player. Plus, starting more often might well mean he gets more. He'll also add goals indirectly by winning corners and free kicks.

Something tells me that no matter what he can do, you'd still dislike him.
 
My 1st problem is given it's likely to be our last transfer of the summer, we need the goalscorer first. Sound, he puts the ball into the box but where's the clinical finisher to turn them in? Suarez, Borini?

My 2nd problem is that there's better ways to spend the money. As I said in the deadline day thread, for £7M and a lot less wages I would rather have Sinclair who is at a similar sort of level, offers the same threat of about 8 goals and as many assists and is only 23 himself.

The question is not do I like Walcott, he's a decent enough player, it's whether I think Liverpool should spend £12M on him, and the answer is obvious.
 
He offers nowhere near as many assists.

Who'd you spent the ten million on. Which great goalscorer could we get for that cash?
 
He got the same amount of goals and 4 assists last season to Walcott's 8, not bad for a team without a Van Persie.

As for a striker, there's plenty of options around the £16-18M mark, which is the money we should get off Carroll. The same move that would have to happen to bring Walcott anyway.
 
Outlaw said:
I guess that's one way of looking at it. There's no way Van Persie gets so many goals if Walcott doesn't consistently put it on a plate for him is another.
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I think you're getting a bit carried away now. Walcott's final ball and decision-making have always been a little suspect. He certainly doesn't "consistently put it on a plate" for anyone. If anything, his inability to do that is what makes him so frustrating. As Sunny alluded to - he's too often looked like a sprinter trying to learn how to play football. Perhaps that's to be expected for someone who came to the game so late in his childhood. Admittedly, his final ball and decision-making have improved slightly over the last year or two, but I'm still not convinced by him. If we bought him we'd be gambling on his upward curve continuing, and him ironing out flaws in his game which remain after 6 years under Wenger's wing.

I'm not altogether against the idea (provided the price is right), but he's certainly not the finished article you're painting him to be.
 
I don't think he's that great but on the other hand we have just lost Kuyt and Maxi, and we can't rely on a 17 year old all year, so if BR wants him then it's a lot better than doing nothing.

Still want a striker more though.
 
Hansern said:
So Rodgers just grinned from ear to ear when asked about Walcott today.. Hmm...
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It could mean anything when Brendan grins.


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A. Someone's deep-frying a pizza? Where???
B. That lady's got no bra on, so she hasn't!!!
C. They give me FREE tea here! Honest to God so they do! As many cups as I like!
D. Walcott's agreed terms? Grand!
E. No, really - where's that deep-fried pizza? Come on!
 
Fallon said:
Show me where I said today? And I never said 18. Walcott has scored 17 in that many for a bloody start. What I said was that I'd expect Sterling to have reached a similar tally (so 15ish) by the time he has played that many games (which probably wont be until after the next season). You were the one who took that ball, and sped off at a billion miles an hour.
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Yep, you said he'd achieve a similar tally, okay 15 or more, bicker over 2 goals all you want. What I was saying is if he scores 15 goals in his next 65 appearances it would be a miracle and it would put him in the same bracket as the best wingers in the league, which is quite frankly absurd, he needs time to become that player, it doesn't happen overnight. If he managed ten it would be very encouraging. However in no way should we use Sterling to discredit signing Walcott, they could quite happily both be in our squad.
 
I thought I heard once that his preferred roll was through the middle. I'm sure he could fit in there between Suarez and Borini.........maybe it could be like the second coming of a certain Michael Owen i.e. pace and goals
 
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