Valencia got a goal, a good shot opportunity and what could've been an assist while being guarded loosely by Moreno. That doesn't look good. Still think Manquillo looks better in clips I've seen.
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Valencia got a goal, a good shot opportunity and what could've been an assist while being guarded loosely by Moreno. That doesn't look good. Still think Manquillo looks better in clips I've seen.
The general play like the points you mentioned, I agree with. Two things though - he's extremely one-footed, so much so that in a couple of cases, you can see him actually shifting his position so as to clear or pass with his left foot (not pivoting, actually stopping and shifting). That delay could be the difference between a clearance being charged down, the ball being nicked, or a counter-attack being delayed. Obviously, there's lots of one-footed players around, but to be one-footed to the extreme (like Riise) is somewhat disturbing.
The more important thing though, is that defenders have very little margin for error. His slack marking or awareness in the three occasions I mentioned above resulted in a goal, a near-goal and a near-assist. That's really quite worrying. Of course, it's just one game so I'm probably reading too much, but it does raise questions on whether a 16m-rated fullback should be making such glaring mistakes all in a game. Although in fairness, he's still young and can improve, and Valencia is a tricky customer on his good day.
I'm hoping Rodgers see's a lot of potential and can groom him into the full back position for the next few years. He seems to have the right attributes to grow into a great full back, the one footedness studsup points out does worry me though.
And he's only 20 yrs old. United have just paid £30m for someone in a similar position.
Photo of Manquillo at John Lennon today:
http://twitter.com/Birdy181/status/496352778793795585/photo/1
http://twitter.com/Birdy181/status/496352778793795585/photo/1
Well done to that guy, he knows his footballers
They're both just kids though - they've been reported as Spain's future FB pairing and lots of people seem to rate them. I think we have to have some faith in our scouts - we're doing so much better there now than we have done for a long time. They're obviously not finished articles but we know how to develop people now and if Brendan and co think these guys are OK then I'm happy to give them a chance.
I know you're only like-hunting, but our Spain/Portugal scout is Julian Ward, who recommended Aspas and Alberto. He's apparently been running the rule over Moreno's scouting as well.
If I were the club, I'd be asking for a second opinion on anything he recommends from now on.
From a big Atleti fan:
Him:
so finally you got Manquillo
dor two years
Me: he's shit, isn't he?
Him: absolutely not
Me: why are you loaning him out then?
Him: he is even better than Juanfran, in my opinion
Me: so why get rid of him if he's potentially so good?
Him:
because Simeone does not like changes
so he only payed 8 matches last season
until that bastad of CR7 iunjured him pretty badly
such a bastanrd
Me: ha - you think we'll end up buying him then?
Him:
hey just two seasons
then Juanfran out and Manquillo in
only if Atletico agrees after these two years
Him:
so finally you got Manquillo
dor two years
Me: he's shit, isn't he?
Him: absolutely not
Me: why are you loaning him out then?
Him: he is even better than Juanfran, in my opinion
Me: so why get rid of him if he's potentially so good?
Him:
because Simeone does not like changes
so he only payed 8 matches last season
until that bastad of CR7 iunjured him pretty badly
such a bastanrd
Me: ha - you think we'll end up buying him then?
Him:
hey just two seasons
then Juanfran out and Manquillo in
only if Atletico agrees after these two years
Also asked him re: Moreno:
Me: btw, is this moreno kid from sevilla good? he looks like average on youtube
Him: he is also very talented
Me: but a shit defender no?
Him: dunno why Del Bosque never brought hjim to Brazil. u r wrong señor. Manquillo and Moreno are very good
Me: btw, is this moreno kid from sevilla good? he looks like average on youtube
Him: he is also very talented
Me: but a shit defender no?
Him: dunno why Del Bosque never brought hjim to Brazil. u r wrong señor. Manquillo and Moreno are very good
He's like a twig there, won't premier league attackers do that and more to him?
Also, I'm really concerned if we don't have the option to buy without Atletico's approval.
I think that was just a freakishly bad fall; don't think it means he's more or less likely to get crushed by attackers in the Premier League.
I hope these Spanish FBs are both better than what we already have.
I'm not convinced.
I'm not convinced.
Really? On current form it wouldn't take a great deal to be better than Johnson, Kelly and Enrique, to be brutally honest.
I'll give you Johnson and Kelly. What's actually happened to them?!
In my thinking, I had Flanagan at RB and Enrique at LB. Is this Manquillo really going to be better than Flanagan? Not sure about Moreno - as will ultimately defer to people who have seen him play far more often than me - but I don't like what I've seen all that much. Will he start ahead of Enrique?
I personally had FB as an area we needed to improve. Not just build depth.
He probably recommends alot of players, and while Aspas was wide of the mark, you could see the logic going off how he'd played the season before we signed him and the type of player he was showing himself to be. Alberto isn't exactly a definite non-starter either, I think we overpaid, but there's clearly alot of talent in there. Someone also overrules whether we take these players or not, same with Moses and Cissokho.
I guess the view is that we'll go with those four - Enrique, Flanagan, Manquillo and Moreno. The former two being more solid and defensive, with the latter two being works in progress who offer more going forward but need work on their defensive play. I think that's a pretty sound set up, and having those two there already will give us experience (to a degree with Flanno) to fall back on. Three fullbacks under the age of 22, with ALOT of promise between them.
That's definitely strange. We play him, develop him and they come along and take him back, leaving us back at square one in two years time. With Johnson still, no doubt.
Hopefully we're banking on how much we sway him in those two years. At least we can send him packing if he's shit.
Probably true, that. And hopefully we can, if he's any good.
Well, Johnson would be 33 then, and that's assuming we offer him a new contract this season, because the current deal runs out in June next year.
We're all just stabbing a bit in the dark about the Manquillo deal - nobody knows for sure how that loan deal works (or if someone does, hasn't come out to say so conclusively). If it doesn't guarantee a sale if we pick up the option at the end of 2 years, then the scenario you mentioned (except the Johnson part) might well happen. It might also work to our advantage though, as by then, if he could be fit and went on loan this season, McLaughlin would be 21/22 and hopefully ready to push for a place in the squad.
Hard to figure what's going on, but even if it's a stop-gap, anything that offers an improvement over Johnson and Kelly helps a lot.
My Johnson comment was tongue in cheek! I don't, for a minute, expect him to be here at the beginning of next season.
But if Manquillo leaves in two years, and has been any good, it does leave us back at square one. Hopefully we haven't agreed to anything that allows AM to take him back when, and if, they please.
Am also hopeful on McLaughlin.
I'm not sure why people think Atleti could take him back ? Because of the conversation somewhere above with an Atleti fan ? Whilst all the reports are to the contrary, 2 year loan with an option to buy at £5m. That could be worth close to €12-13m to Atleti for their back-up to Juan Fran and maybe they have yet another good RB hidden in their reserves/youth, or at another team, thst they have their eye on and so feel they'd like to bank that €12-13m.
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