meireles

[Farkmaster]

Red Maradona, that's the thing though, while our team is weaker for him not being in the squad, at the very least, our team is actually stronger long term when we don't give massive wages to depreciating assets. Look at Joe Cole. We can't sell him due to his wages and his age.


Sometimes a club needs to make that gamble and say, well, this is the player we need, for right now, anyway, they're that good.

Meireles isn't that player.


The question is how well we spend for the future. How good charlie adam is will largely determine whether this makes sense.

 

[Squiggles]

Would it have took massive wages to keep him though? Maybe it would after Chelsea tapped him up, but certainly not before. I think that's the issue. Underpay decent players and our rivals will always smell blood.

And like I mentioned previously, the fitness of Gerrard will also be a huge factor in how we assess this deal in six months time.

 

[ILD]

Just caught up with the thread. Good read and a cracking debate going on. I'm with Oncy, Krump and a few other i'm afraid. I thought Raul was very good for us and shocked we sold him to Chelsea of all people.

If he did hand in a transfer request on Tuesday then tell him find to a club by close of business Wednesday that is NOT Chelsea (insert rival here) or your not going anywhere til Jan. I agree with Kenny's stance, if you don't want to be here then you can go but that shouldn't mean good players are free to switch to our rivals. I'd be okay with Meireles leaving if he fucked off to Inter but he didn't he went to Chelsea. Calling him a shithouse or claiming Shelvey, Adam, Henderson et all to be better isn't appeasing me at all.

I can see this subject matter being discussed for the rest of the season but i'm going to take a back a back seat in it. He's gone, get Stevie back, onwards and upwards. My anger is only directed towards the fact we sold him to Chelsea, which was madness.

 

[Gary25]

[quote author=ILD link=topic=46664.msg1393207#msg1393207 date=1314924215]
Just caught up with the thread. Good read and a cracking debate going on. I'm with Oncy, Krump and a few other i'm afraid. I thought Raul was very good for us and shocked we sold him to Chelsea of all people.

If he did hand in a transfer request on Tuesday then tell him find to a club by close of business Wednesday that is NOT Chelsea (insert rival here) or your not going anywhere til Jan. I agree with Kenny's stance, if you don't want to be here then you can go but that shouldn't mean good players are free to switch to our rivals. I'd be okay with Meireles leaving if he fucked off to Inter but he didn't he went to Chelsea. Calling him a shithouse or claiming Shelvey, Adam, Henderson et all to be better isn't appeasing me at all.

I can see this subject matter being discussed for the rest of the season but i'm going to take a back a back seat in it. He's gone, get Stevie back, onwards and upwards. My anger is only directed towards the fact we sold him to Chelsea, which was madness.
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I'm sure Bosingwa, Ferreira, El Cunt and VB were in contact with Meireles long before yesterday....he's actually been linked with Chelsea for the last month or so.

It's a kick in the balls we've sold him to Chelsea, that's for sure. Although Kenny clearly didn't fancy him...find it a little strange as he was a regular and Kenny was always very complimentary about him.

Fuck knows what goes on behind the scenes.

 

[Wizardry]

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[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=46664.msg1392612#msg1392612 date=1314865304]
That's not the whole story though mate, if he's sulking & being a cunt in the dressing room it effects team spirit too.

In which case you either leave him in the reserves, or get your money back.
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If he's sulking etc then address the situation - don't shovel it out the door and trip over it next time we take the pitch.

He was pissed off and with good reason; pay him what he's obviously worth and see if treating him with respect might help him show respect in return. Too many people looking at a symptom here and declaring we solved the problem. We didn't - we got rid of a symptom and the result is we damaged the club and aided a rival.

Now we've got two problems.
[/quote]

Jon says he was offered a new contract. IF this is true (let's be honest, no one knows 100% what happened behind the scenes), surely you can see why Liverpool and the fans have a reason to be pissed off?
[/quote]

Nope - not unless the contract offered him what was promised.

As I understand it the wages weren't increased anywhere near his wishes in the new contract; he was too old in the view of some who couldn't get themselves past the numbers to look at what was most important; on the field.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

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[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=46664.msg1392612#msg1392612 date=1314865304]
That's not the whole story though mate, if he's sulking & being a cunt in the dressing room it effects team spirit too.

In which case you either leave him in the reserves, or get your money back.
[/quote]

If he's sulking etc then address the situation - don't shovel it out the door and trip over it next time we take the pitch.

He was pissed off and with good reason; pay him what he's obviously worth and see if treating him with respect might help him show respect in return. Too many people looking at a symptom here and declaring we solved the problem. We didn't - we got rid of a symptom and the result is we damaged the club and aided a rival.

Now we've got two problems.
[/quote]

Jon says he was offered a new contract. IF this is true (let's be honest, no one knows 100% what happened behind the scenes), surely you can see why Liverpool and the fans have a reason to be pissed off?
[/quote]

Nope - not unless the contract offered him what was promised.

As I understand it the wages weren't increased anywhere near his wishes in the new contract; he was too old in the view of some who couldn't get themselves past the numbers to look at what was most important; on the field.
[/quote]

To me it seems as if you're 100% certain he wasn't offered a new contract, and if he was, it wasn't at the level promised to him.

His wages were never increased because he didn't sign the contract ...

Lastly, do you think there's any chance people like Boswinga, Ferrerria (mates at Porto), AVB (coached him for a few minutes at Porto) or El Cunto could have tapped him up? If so, do you think that had any affect on him a) refusing the contract and b) wanting out?

 

[mark1975]

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[quote author=Ossi link=topic=46664.msg1392843#msg1392843 date=1314877408]
Meireles leaving isn´t the end of the world but I do hope that we aren´t in a position in January where we are looking for a new cm. Shelvey needs to step up when our cms are getting tired/injured.

Has the fucker said why he wanted to leave?
[/quote]

It will be a combination of their manager, a lot higher wages and the opportunity of playing CL football.
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and a mighty shove towards the door. rory smith says he interviewed him in march and had never seen a player happier at a club.

i'm not going to criticise him because i don't think he did anything wrong. i just hope henderson keeps on improving as quickly as possible, because right now meireles is the better player.
[/quote]

No one really knows what went on. He's been linked with Chelsea throughout the window, he acted like a bit of a cock after the goals against Arsenal and people are speculating he was promised an increase on his £30k per week wages after his first year. Whatever kind of agreement that was I don't know, obviously not a legally binding one anyway and one that was made under different ownership. Comolli suggested that it was difficult one way or another because Raul was away with Portugal and I'm waging that he's not exactly devastated by (nor that it didn't have a major influence) who Chelsea's new manager is.

Seems like it's six of one, half a dozen of the other. He's a good player though and I'm a bit gutted to see him go, especially to them, but he went at the end of the day and let's face it, he's not the first and won't be the last, however happy he was a few months back.

And anyway, are we forgetting HE handed in the transfer request?

 

[Y1]

The bleacher report says we got 15 million. a little less painful and consolation?

 

[singlerider]

A little, but that £4M profit would equate to about £38K p/w for a 2 year contract.

Losing Ming's salary saves us about another £1.5M per year, so if were to suppose that rather than sell him, we improved his contract - more than doubling it to around £70K a week . . .

That would cost us (not recouping his transfer fee withstanding) £3.5M a year, bearing in mind Joe Cole alone used to cost us £4.7M.

Then we'd have to take depreciation into account - what would someone pay for a 31 year old - £4M maybe, maybe less?

Actually, taking the depreciation into account I'm beginning to see the sense in it. If it wasn't for that I'd say the money's better spent on having him in the team, but if you're going to take this hardline financial control route then I suppose it does make good business sense.

It's a bit of a soulless way of looking at things, but I guess when Uncle Roy was in charge we use to play attacking football but leaked goals and had a team of Spice Boys. We needed Ged to sort us out on and off the pitch.

Well, now I guess we've got Kenny sorting us on the pitch and the Yanks taking care of business off it. I think I've out-argued myself here

 

[RolandG]

While I didn't initially agree with Kenny British only transfer policy, these type of happenings at the club make it hard to have issue with it.

Raul Meireles is a loss to the club but let's not overestimate. Gerrard will replace him and we'll be stronger for it. Remember our captain missed so much football last season that he'll be like a new signing. He form and fitness could be the difference between a Top 4 place and actually winning the title.

 

[spider-Neil]

the way I see it is, if gerrard is out for long periods then the meireles sale looks foolish but if gerrard is over his injuries then it's a great bit of business.

 

[Ossi]

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[quote author=Ossi link=topic=46664.msg1391240#msg1391240 date=1314780389]
I have a feeling we´ll lose Meireles today.
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i have the exact opposite feeling....

think positive chief
[/quote]

Hate to tell you I told you so.

 

[Jack D Rips]

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[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=46664.msg1392856#msg1392856 date=1314877859]
[quote author=Ossi link=topic=46664.msg1392843#msg1392843 date=1314877408]
Meireles leaving isn´t the end of the world but I do hope that we aren´t in a position in January where we are looking for a new cm. Shelvey needs to step up when our cms are getting tired/injured.

Has the fucker said why he wanted to leave?
[/quote]

It will be a combination of their manager, a lot higher wages and the opportunity of playing CL football.
[/quote]

and a mighty shove towards the door. rory smith says he interviewed him in march and had never seen a player happier at a club.

i'm not going to criticise him because i don't think he did anything wrong. i just hope henderson keeps on improving as quickly as possible, because right now meireles is the better player.
[/quote]

No one really knows what went on. He's been linked with Chelsea throughout the window, he acted like a bit of a cock after the goals against Arsenal and people are speculating he was promised an increase on his £30k per week wages after his first year. Whatever kind of agreement that was I don't know, obviously not a legally binding one anyway and one that was made under different ownership. Comolli suggested that it was difficult one way or another because Raul was away with Portugal and I'm waging that he's not exactly devastated by (nor that it didn't have a major influence) who Chelsea's new manager is.

Seems like it's six of one, half a dozen of the other. He's a good player though and I'm a bit gutted to see him go, especially to them, but he went at the end of the day and let's face it, he's not the first and won't be the last, however happy he was a few months back.

And anyway, are we forgetting HE handed in the transfer request?
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Just wondering why he was away with Portugal if he was injured. Im more inclined to think he was in London all day on Wednesday. Im not totally convinced at the extent of his "injury" either. But then Im a very suspicious person.

 

[Fabio]

Are people still on about louie spence ?

Fuck him!

 

[Vlads Quiff]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46664.msg1393241#msg1393241 date=1314950346]
the way I see it is, if gerrard is out for long periods then the meireles sale looks foolish but if gerrard is over his injuries then it's a great bit of business.
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Unless we still get the results of course Neil :🙂

regards

 

[FoxForceFive]

Ok, two things.

Firstly, I'm told he was offered 60k a week plus bonuses. This was directly, not through his agent & the club didn't trust his agent to pass it along. Says a lot.

Also, I think some of you are underestimating how much a pissed off wantaway player can upset things. Imagine him sitting next to Suarez, constantly moaning about the club & how badly he feels they have treated him week in week out.

 

[spider-Neil]

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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46664.msg1393241#msg1393241 date=1314950346]
the way I see it is, if gerrard is out for long periods then the meireles sale looks foolish but if gerrard is over his injuries then it's a great bit of business.
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Unless we still get the results of course Neil :🙂

regards
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ha ha of course 😉

 

[red_maradona]

[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=46664.msg1393280#msg1393280 date=1314954278]
Ok, two things.

Firstly, I'm told he was offered 60k a week plus bonuses. This was directly, not through his agent & the club didn't trust his agent to pass it along. Says a lot.

Also, I think some of you are underestimating how much a pissed off wantaway player can upset things. Imagine him sitting next to Suarez, constantly moaning about the club & how badly he feels they have treated him week in week out.
[/quote]
that last point is a fair point, although one would hope that good management would mitigate against it.

ultimately would someone like Manure sell a good player to a rival? I dont think so, his hand was forced om tevez, but he would not sell to a rival. If we knew he was going, we should have arranged a 10m transfer to juve rather than 12m to chelsea.

 

[spider-Neil]

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[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=46664.msg1393280#msg1393280 date=1314954278]
Ok, two things.

Firstly, I'm told he was offered 60k a week plus bonuses. This was directly, not through his agent & the club didn't trust his agent to pass it along. Says a lot.

Also, I think some of you are underestimating how much a pissed off wantaway player can upset things. Imagine him sitting next to Suarez, constantly moaning about the club & how badly he feels they have treated him week in week out.
[/quote]
that last point is a fair point, although one would hope that good management would mitigate against it.

ultimately would someone like Manure sell a good player to a rival? I dont think so, his hand was forced om tevez, but he would not sell to a rival. If we knew he was going, we should have arranged a 10m transfer to juve rather than 12m to chelsea.
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veron

 

[red_maradona]

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[quote author=red_maradona link=topic=46664.msg1393286#msg1393286 date=1314954551]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=46664.msg1393280#msg1393280 date=1314954278]
Ok, two things.

Firstly, I'm told he was offered 60k a week plus bonuses. This was directly, not through his agent & the club didn't trust his agent to pass it along. Says a lot.

Also, I think some of you are underestimating how much a pissed off wantaway player can upset things. Imagine him sitting next to Suarez, constantly moaning about the club & how badly he feels they have treated him week in week out.
[/quote]
that last point is a fair point, although one would hope that good management would mitigate against it.

ultimately would someone like Manure sell a good player to a rival? I dont think so, his hand was forced om tevez, but he would not sell to a rival. If we knew he was going, we should have arranged a 10m transfer to juve rather than 12m to chelsea.
[/quote]

veron
[/quote]

fair point, but I think veron was a failure, big moneyh was paid and a replacemnt lined up, totally different situation for raul.

 

[HC]

Why did we f*ck ming over when we joined?

I've heard plenty of versions of what happened when he joined us, so hat actually happened?

How much was he on? If it was indeed a derisory amount, why? Was it the old yanks tightening their Grip or were we just being ruthless?

We surely knew he was going to be offski months ago?

There was talk of a performance related salary increase if his first season met a series of clauses, I just don't understand the logic behind making a highly rated player jump through so many hoops to earn what would probably be the benchmark for a top European club.

He had a storming second half to the season and we reward that with a new signing.

I wanna say that talks began with Chelsea a whole back but he was clearly a fall back for modric to them...

Its all a bit odd

Furthermore, are people convinced his finger wasn't directed at the very least , the club?

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=red_maradona link=topic=46664.msg1393292#msg1393292 date=1314954844]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46664.msg1393289#msg1393289 date=1314954702]
[quote author=red_maradona link=topic=46664.msg1393286#msg1393286 date=1314954551]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=46664.msg1393280#msg1393280 date=1314954278]
Ok, two things.

Firstly, I'm told he was offered 60k a week plus bonuses. This was directly, not through his agent & the club didn't trust his agent to pass it along. Says a lot.

Also, I think some of you are underestimating how much a pissed off wantaway player can upset things. Imagine him sitting next to Suarez, constantly moaning about the club & how badly he feels they have treated him week in week out.
[/quote]
that last point is a fair point, although one would hope that good management would mitigate against it.

ultimately would someone like Manure sell a good player to a rival? I dont think so, his hand was forced om tevez, but he would not sell to a rival. If we knew he was going, we should have arranged a 10m transfer to juve rather than 12m to chelsea.
[/quote]

veron
[/quote]

fair point, but I think veron was a failure, big moneyh was paid and a replacemnt lined up, totally different situation for raul.
[/quote]

if meireles was first choice then fair enough but he wasn't, he couldn't even get into the team sans gerrard so fuck knows how he would manage it when the captain returned. I do worry meireles may be the catalyst for torres' return to form but when a player wants out (for whatever reason) you get rid. if suarez handed in a transfer request I'd want him sold and if city are offering 50m and barca are offering 30m I know which offer I would accept.

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

I don't see why anyone would think that Meireles would help out Torres' form, it's not as if they were any good when they were here together. Granted it was under Roy, but still.

 

[spider-Neil]

Re: Why did we f*ck ming over when we joined?

* the dross all moved on

* 50m million invested in the summer

* the wide areas addressed

* the defense addressed

* the copa america young player of the tournament recruited

* the return of bellamy


all completely overshadowed because a fringe player (let's be honest here that is what he had been reduced to) has been fucked off to a rival.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=46664.msg1393297#msg1393297 date=1314955215]
I don't see why anyone would think that Meireles would help out Torres' form, it's not as if they were any good when they were here together. Granted it was under Roy, but still.
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that's the point, when torres was here, ming was being utilised on the wing.

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46664.msg1393299#msg1393299 date=1314955378]
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=46664.msg1393297#msg1393297 date=1314955215]
I don't see why anyone would think that Meireles would help out Torres' form, it's not as if they were any good when they were here together. Granted it was under Roy, but still.
[/quote]

that's the point, when Torres was here, ming was being utilised on the wing.
[/quote]

So where exactly is the basis for assuming they will help each other out? They were here together for 3 weeks or so under Kenny, Torres was pretty rubbish and Meireles started scoring after Torres left.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=46664.msg1393300#msg1393300 date=1314955549]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46664.msg1393299#msg1393299 date=1314955378]
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=46664.msg1393297#msg1393297 date=1314955215]
I don't see why anyone would think that Meireles would help out Torres' form, it's not as if they were any good when they were here together. Granted it was under Roy, but still.
[/quote]

that's the point, when Torres was here, ming was being utilised on the wing.
[/quote]

So where exactly is the basis for assuming they will help each other out? They were here together for 3 weeks or so under Kenny, Torres was pretty rubbish and Meireles started scoring after Torres left.
[/quote]

well let's hope he is as successful as previous two we've sold to chelsea.

 

[RolandG]

By Zachary D. Rymer(Featured Columnist) on September 1, 2011 - Bleacher Report

Roughly a year ago, Raul Meireles went from Porto to Liverpool on a transfer worth a little less than £12 million.

On the whole, Meireles' time with the Reds was quite good. But on Wednesday, he formally submitted a transfer request and was subsequently sent to Chelsea.

The good news, according to a report from Goal.com, is that the Reds supposedly got £15 million in return for Meireles. They sold him for more than they bought him for, which will do quite nicely as far as consolation goes.

And it gets better. On Tuesday, The Telegraph reported that Chelsea had offered £8 million and Yossi Benayoun for Meireles. But Reds manager Kenny Dalglish would have none of it, as he promptly rejected the bid.

The rejection put Chelsea boss André Villas-Boas in a tough spot. As a longtime admirer of Meireles, Villas-Boas supposedly wanted nothing more than to complete the deal to bring him over to his side.

Where things get tricky, of course, is that Villas-Boas was also involved in talks with Tottenham for Luka Modric, a player that Harry Redknapp was not about to let go for anything less than a king's ransom.

The story here goes that Modric was Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich's preferred target, not so much Villas-Boas' target. And he must have really liked Modric, as the Daily Mail reported on Wednesday that Chelsea had bid £40 million for Modric.

That bid, for whatever reason, was subsequently rejected. Next thing you knew, Meireles was headed to Chelsea.

So where does Dalglish fit in during all this?

Well, connect the dots. As soon as he realized just how desperate Villas-Boas was to get Meireles, Dalglish jacked up the price. At the same time, he could clearly tell by the club's interest in Modric that they were willing to pay through the nose for a midfielder. That allowed him to jack up the price even more.

The end result is that £15 million fee. It's almost twice as much money as Dalglish and the Reds would have gotten had they accepted Chelsea's original bid, and, once again, it's more than they paid to get Meireles.

If ever there was a way for Dalglish to wash his hands of the Meireles signing, that was it.

So the next time you cross paths with Dalglish, all you have to say is this:

"Well played."

 

[Woland]

Was that written by The Anfield Truth Ministry or whatever they call the Tompkins propaganda machine these days?

 

[Akakabooto]

Lol what a pile of shit that article is.