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While I didn't initially agree with Kenny British only transfer policy, these type of happenings at the club make it hard to have issue with it.

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You've got to be fucking joking. How can you type that with a straight face?
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Quite easily. How many of you actually wanted wanted Downing, Adam and Henderson as first choices? None!

Don't now wanna act all self righteous like you did! WTF
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Your point appears to be that British players will not abandon Liverpool in the same way that Xabi, Torres and Meireles have done. It's that which I dispute, because it's absolute bollocks.
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Ming didn't abandon us, he was pushed out.

Anyways, I'm over him. I was upset but a couple of decent wanks over the bolton highlights later and I'm ok.
 
i think he probably felt unloved and left.... i have no hard feelings towards him tbh, i just cant wish him luck because of where he now plays.

I dont like the selling to Chelsea, in either case of Torres or Meireles, think our only possible response is to stick to our strengths play well and finish above the cunts. Its the only answer there is.

PS if any of you see San miguel selecta XV in the beer wines and spirits aisle make sure you pick some up.... an unexpected beauty of a drink.
 
From soccernet.com:

Meireles handed in a transfer request with just hours to go before the deadline and forced through a last-gasp move to Stamford Bridge, signing a four-year contract.

Despite hitting top form at the end of last season Meireles found himself down the pecking order at Anfield at the start of this term and the midfielder jumped at the chance to join his former Porto boss Andre Villas-Boas at Chelsea.

The move south proved unpopular with the Liverpool fans, who criticised the player for chasing a bigger pay-cheque. But Meireles claims his transfer had nothing to with money.

"These are things that happen in football. I can only say good things about Liverpool, it was a fantastic year," Meireles told RTPN.

"People think I am a Judas and that it was because of the money. It was not because of that, I will explain it later, things are still fresh.

"It all happened very fast. I am not the only one to blame for my exit from Liverpool, but I will never stop loving the club and I have great friends there.

"The most important thing is to give my all every time and try to help Chelsea win titles."

Meireles could play his first match for Chelsea on September 10, when the Blues host Sunderland.
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[quote author=Krump link=topic=46664.msg1393924#msg1393924 date=1315066283]
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[quote author=RolandG link=topic=46664.msg1393236#msg1393236 date=1314948050]
While I didn't initially agree with Kenny British only transfer policy, these type of happenings at the club make it hard to have issue with it.

[/quote]

You've got to be fucking joking. How can you type that with a straight face?
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Quite easily. How many of you actually wanted wanted Downing, Adam and Henderson as first choices? None!

Don't now wanna act all self righteous like you did! WTF
[/quote]

Your point appears to be that British players will not abandon Liverpool in the same way that Xabi, Torres and Meireles have done. It's that which I dispute, because it's absolute bollocks.
[/quote]

Ming didn't abandon us, he was pushed out.

Anyways, I'm over him. I was upset but a couple of decent wanks over the bolton highlights later and I'm ok.
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Krump, I was over him when he handed in a transfer request.Decent player but his move isn't earth shattering. We got good money for him but lost a good squad player.

Squiggles, Kenny has set criteria for the kind of players that he wants at Liverpool. Talent, mentality, work ethic are just a few. My point is based on his British signings and the premiums he paid for their talent. Now I speak under correction but we haven't had any British lads jumping ship like the foreigners. Stevie came closest.

You're in disagreement but haven't substantiated? State your case and prove me wrong!
 
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[quote author=RolandG link=topic=46664.msg1393919#msg1393919 date=1315065431]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=46664.msg1393349#msg1393349 date=1314962558]
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=46664.msg1393236#msg1393236 date=1314948050]
While I didn't initially agree with Kenny British only transfer policy, these type of happenings at the club make it hard to have issue with it.

[/quote]

You've got to be fucking joking. How can you type that with a straight face?
[/quote]
Quite easily. How many of you actually wanted wanted Downing, Adam and Henderson as first choices? None!

Don't now wanna act all self righteous like you did! WTF
[/quote]

Your point appears to be that British players will not abandon Liverpool in the same way that Xabi, Torres and Meireles have done. It's that which I dispute, because it's absolute bollocks.
[/quote]

Ming didn't abandon us, he was pushed out.

Anyways, I'm over him. I was upset but a couple of decent wanks over the bolton highlights later and I'm ok.
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Krump, I was over him when he handed in a transfer request.Decent player but his move isn't earth shattering. We got good money for him but lost a good squad player.

Squiggles, Kenny has set criteria for the kind of players that he wants at Liverpool. Talent, mentality, work ethic are just a few. My point is based on his British signings and the premiums he paid for their talent. Now I speak under correction but we haven't had any British lads jumping ship like the foreigners. Stevie came closest.

You're in disagreement but haven't substantiated? State your case and prove me wrong!
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*cough* Owen *cough* *cough**cough*McManaman*cough*
Must have caught something during the weekend.
 
Like I said Modo, I speak under correction. Maybe you didn't see that.

Macca was a loss because we haven't had a winger until the recent arrival of Downing but Owen wasn't.

Oh did I mention that both were Bitters?
 
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[quote author=RolandG link=topic=46664.msg1393919#msg1393919 date=1315065431]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=46664.msg1393349#msg1393349 date=1314962558]
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=46664.msg1393236#msg1393236 date=1314948050]
While I didn't initially agree with Kenny British only transfer policy, these type of happenings at the club make it hard to have issue with it.

[/quote]

You've got to be fucking joking. How can you type that with a straight face?
[/quote]
Quite easily. How many of you actually wanted wanted Downing, Adam and Henderson as first choices? None!

Don't now wanna act all self righteous like you did! WTF
[/quote]

Your point appears to be that British players will not abandon Liverpool in the same way that Xabi, Torres and Meireles have done. It's that which I dispute, because it's absolute bollocks.
[/quote]

Ming didn't abandon us, he was pushed out.

Anyways, I'm over him. I was upset but a couple of decent wanks over the bolton highlights later and I'm ok.
[/quote]
Krump, I was over him when he handed in a transfer request.Decent player but his move isn't earth shattering. We got good money for him but lost a good squad player.

Squiggles, Kenny has set criteria for the kind of players that he wants at Liverpool. Talent, mentality, work ethic are just a few. My point is based on his British signings and the premiums he paid for their talent. Now I speak under correction but we haven't had any British lads jumping ship like the foreigners. Stevie came closest.

You're in disagreement but haven't substantiated? State your case and prove me wrong!
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We've been a mostly foreign side for the last 12 years so you're not making any sort of point whatsoever. And what of all the foreign players who lasted for years here and delivered impeccable service? Hyypia, Henchoz, Riise, Hamann, Reina, Agger.

Drawing such distinction between foreigners and British players is just plain weird and, at worst, xenophobic.
 
Squiggles I'm making a point but you're simply not getting it. Kenny has bought primarily British players possibly because our great sides of old had a British core and the recent spate of foreign players jumping ship could be a factor. The shipping of Aquilani and Meireles is clearly in support of that theory where the British players are getting preference. Suarez and Coates the obvious exceptions.

That Macca and Owen jumped ship were symptomatic of the times and evidence of our supposed decline. Owen forced a move much the same way as Mascherano, Torres and Meireles. Xabi is an altogether different case due to Rafa's poor man management.I'm not knocking our foreign players past or present. The way some of them have engineered their moves away from the clubhas left a bitter taste. That's undeniable!
 
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=46664.msg1394372#msg1394372 date=1315160051]
Owen was a loss
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Generally, yeah, but then again would we have won the Champions League that year had the team been based around Owen? Who knows..
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46664.msg1394404#msg1394404 date=1315166522]
I'm sad ming has gone but this is a massive oppertunity for jonjo.
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Even if raul stayed, jonjo would have got chances. Now it just means jonjo can show off why hes boss more often
 
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[quote author=RolandG link=topic=46664.msg1394385#msg1394385 date=1315162554]
Squiggles I'm making a point but you're simply not getting it. Kenny has bought primarily British players possibly because our great sides of old had a British core and the recent spate of foreign players jumping ship could be a factor. The shipping of Aquilani and Meireles is clearly in support of that theory where the British players are getting preference. Suarez and Coates the obvious exceptions.

That Macca and Owen jumped ship were symptomatic of the times and evidence of our supposed decline. Owen forced a move much the same way as Mascherano, Torres and Meireles. Xabi is an altogether different case due to Rafa's poor man management.I'm not knocking our foreign players past or present. The way some of them have engineered their moves away from the clubhas left a bitter taste. That's undeniable!
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Why won't Henderson, Carroll or Adam force through a move to Chelsea then?
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because chelsea wont be in for them?
 
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[quote author=RolandG link=topic=46664.msg1394385#msg1394385 date=1315162554]
Squiggles I'm making a point but you're simply not getting it. Kenny has bought primarily British players possibly because our great sides of old had a British core and the recent spate of foreign players jumping ship could be a factor. The shipping of Aquilani and Meireles is clearly in support of that theory where the British players are getting preference. Suarez and Coates the obvious exceptions.

That Macca and Owen jumped ship were symptomatic of the times and evidence of our supposed decline. Owen forced a move much the same way as Mascherano, Torres and Meireles. Xabi is an altogether different case due to Rafa's poor man management.I'm not knocking our foreign players past or present. The way some of them have engineered their moves away from the clubhas left a bitter taste. That's undeniable!
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Why won't Henderson, Carroll or Adam force through a move to Chelsea then?
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because chelsea wont be in for them?
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Because they all want to play for us (didn't Adam forego bonuses to play for us?) and they realise that we're a big club with a great chance to make a new history ladened with silverware! ;D
 
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[quote author=RolandG link=topic=46664.msg1394385#msg1394385 date=1315162554]
Squiggles I'm making a point but you're simply not getting it. Kenny has bought primarily British players possibly because our great sides of old had a British core and the recent spate of foreign players jumping ship could be a factor. The shipping of Aquilani and Meireles is clearly in support of that theory where the British players are getting preference. Suarez and Coates the obvious exceptions.

That Macca and Owen jumped ship were symptomatic of the times and evidence of our supposed decline. Owen forced a move much the same way as Mascherano, Torres and Meireles. Xabi is an altogether different case due to Rafa's poor man management.I'm not knocking our foreign players past or present. The way some of them have engineered their moves away from the clubhas left a bitter taste. That's undeniable!
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Why won't Henderson, Carroll or Adam force through a move to Chelsea then?
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because chelsea wont be in for them?
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If Ol' 'Arry ever becomes Chelsea manager, they will 😉
 
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Squiggles I'm making a point but you're simply not getting it. Kenny has bought primarily British players possibly because our great sides of old had a British core and the recent spate of foreign players jumping ship could be a factor. The shipping of Aquilani and Meireles is clearly in support of that theory where the British players are getting preference. Suarez and Coates the obvious exceptions.

That Macca and Owen jumped ship were symptomatic of the times and evidence of our supposed decline. Owen forced a move much the same way as Mascherano, Torres and Meireles. Xabi is an altogether different case due to Rafa's poor man management.I'm not knocking our foreign players past or present. The way some of them have engineered their moves away from the clubhas left a bitter taste. That's undeniable!
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Why won't Henderson, Carroll or Adam force through a move to Chelsea then?
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because chelsea wont be in for them?
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Because they all want to play for us (didn't Adam forego bonuses to play for us?) and they realise that we're a big club with a great chance to make a new history ladened with silverware! ;D
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If an all British team is good enough to win the league or do well in the Champions league I will be shocked.
Also, respect and loyalty is a two street and LFC has been guilty of the same. I guess it's all just business.
 
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=46664.msg1394372#msg1394372 date=1315160051]
Owen was a loss
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He MUST regret that he fucked off. He could have been a Liverpool legend.
 
With all the players who have supposedly forced through moves, or wanted to leave or whatever there is ALWAYS another side to the story. McManaman, Owen, Torres, Mascherano, Alonso, Meireles and whoever else might have demanded moves, might have refused contracts but then again they might have been told they could go, or might have been made promises that were not kept or whatever. We simply do not know.

The idea that foreign players are more likely to want to move has a very small something in it, but its nowhere near as simple as that. There's a chance that players from abroad might want to go back to their own country for example. But then having said that there is the chance that English players will always want to go and play in another league - note where the two English players who 'forced through moves' went to play.

Drawing a comparison over the last 10 years doesn't particularly work anyway, as we have mainly only had foreign players. All it is saying is that Gerrard and Carragher didn't leave - and even one of them very nearly did.

The only thing to be sure of is that football players want success. If a club achieves what it should be achieving then players will want to stay, but if the club underachieves then players will want to leave. No matter what the nationality is, that is generally true of all players.

Now I don't know why Kenny has tried to bring in mainly British-based players, but I would suspect it is more to do with the fact that we NEED to have a quality league season without waiting and hoping for foreigners to settle in rather than thinking that the British players would be more loyal in the long term.
 
It could be that the BEST foreign players that we have targeted wanted CL football hence they didnt want to come. And it wouldnt make sense to pay for lesser foreign talent who would be willing to come when we could pay a bit more and get British. I would sense that next season when we qualify for the CL we would see more non-British players coming as compared to this year.
 
[quote author=DHSC link=topic=46664.msg1394535#msg1394535 date=1315215739]
It could be that the BEST foreign players that we have targeted wanted CL football hence they didnt want to come. And it wouldnt make sense to pay for lesser foreign talent who would be willing to come when we could pay a bit more and get British. I would sense that next season when we qualify for the CL we would see more non-British players coming as compared to this year.
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Yes I imagine there may well be something in that too.
 
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[quote author=RolandG link=topic=46664.msg1394385#msg1394385 date=1315162554]
Squiggles I'm making a point but you're simply not getting it. Kenny has bought primarily British players possibly because our great sides of old had a British core and the recent spate of foreign players jumping ship could be a factor. The shipping of Aquilani and Meireles is clearly in support of that theory where the British players are getting preference. Suarez and Coates the obvious exceptions.

That Macca and Owen jumped ship were symptomatic of the times and evidence of our supposed decline. Owen forced a move much the same way as Mascherano, Torres and Meireles. Xabi is an altogether different case due to Rafa's poor man management.I'm not knocking our foreign players past or present. The way some of them have engineered their moves away from the clubhas left a bitter taste. That's undeniable!
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Why won't Henderson, Carroll or Adam force through a move to Chelsea then?
[/quote]

because chelsea wont be in for them?
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Because they all want to play for us (didn't Adam forego bonuses to play for us?) and they realise that we're a big club with a great chance to make a new history ladened with silverware! ;D
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And foreign players don't see this because?

Actually just see Richey's post.
 
players want;

a) to win shit
b) be paid vast amounts of money
c) play as many games as possible

if the criteria for 'a', 'b' or 'c' (sometimes all three) aren't met then the player will look to move on. has nothing to do with being english, british or foreign, that is just the nature of football now.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46664.msg1394546#msg1394546 date=1315217118]
players want;

a) to win shit
b) be paid vast amounts of money
c) play as many games as possible

if the criteria for 'a', 'b' or 'c' (sometimes all three) aren't met then the player will look to move on. has nothing to do with being english, british or foreign, that is just the nature of football now.
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Its been the nature of football always, and most other walks of life for that matter!
 
Foreign players are much more likely to leave imo. Even if we're doing well the chances might be reduced but you can easily see a foreign lad still being tempted to move on for various reasons. If Liverpool are winning trophies i highly doubt you'd see many British players wanting out + However good they may be they hardly ever go and try their hands in another league.

I'm not suggesting that Kenny had this at the front of his mind during the summer transfer window, but it's deffo a small added bonus with regards to who we've signed.
 
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=46664.msg1394560#msg1394560 date=1315219484]
Foreign players are much more likely to leave imo. Even if we're doing well the chances might be reduced but you can easily see a foreign lad still being tempted to move on for various reasons. If Liverpool are winning trophies i highly doubt you'd see many British players wanting out + However good they may be they hardly ever go and try their hands in another league.

I'm not suggesting that Kenny had this at the front of his mind during the summer transfer window, but it's deffo a small added bonus with regards to who we've signed.
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There is some truth in that but I still think it mainly comes down to whether a team is winning.

There will be exceptions of course, and you could argue these are more likely with foreign players - who might want to return, or go to a different league, or even go to live somewhere else in England - but there are also exceptions with English players. Ashley Cole and David Beckham both left when their sides were still winning trophies for example.

Of course there could be an added pressure on top foreign players that if they do move abroad they are already risking being out of view of their international manager, so playing for teams not in the CL might be more of a problem for them, but again this still really comes down to the success factor
 
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