meireles

[Vlads Quiff]

[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=46664.msg1394560#msg1394560 date=1315219484]
Foreign players are much more likely to leave imo. Even if we're doing well the chances might be reduced but you can easily see a foreign lad still being tempted to move on for various reasons. If Liverpool are winning trophies i highly doubt you'd see many British players wanting out + However good they may be they hardly ever go and try their hands in another league.

I'm not suggesting that Kenny had this at the front of his mind during the summer transfer window, but it's deffo a small added bonus with regards to who we've signed.
[/quote]

I agree, and I think Kenny did.

regards

 

[Woland]

There are plenty of reasons that English players are less likely to move, but they're not down to a sense of loyalty, more down to circumstance.

The difference is that English people would rather win English stuff and Spanish would rather win Spanish stuff - hence a no brainer for Alonso to leave. Hence nothing actually tying Masch to the Premier League.

That's not a slight or an indictment or anything negative at all, people want to be be respected by their peers and there's nothing wrong with that.

When Everton bought Radzinski and they asked him why he moved it was none of this bullshit that you normally get, he said you earned four times more in the prem than you do in Germany and his mates could watch the english matches back at home in Canada. I wish they'd all nail it so honestly.

One major factor in there being hardly any english players abroad is that you will earn more in the Championship than playing for every club in Europe that isn't in European places, so why move?

There's the other kind of move - say Torres from one PL club to another - and I don't think that the English players are immune to that. For example, if Carroll was as highly thought of and we were coming low in the league and someone doing better came in for him, he would certainly leave just as Torres did. How do I know? Well he's already done it once, and that was to his boyhood club.

 

[Spionkop69]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46664.msg1392742#msg1392742 date=1314870448]
[/quote]Sorry, i know i said i wouldnt speak on it again.
You are right about Torres. But we sold him and then strengthened.
We have sold Meireles and NOT strengthened.
Adam and Henderson and Downing were already here so we didnt buy them to strengthen our team after Meireles departure.
So we directly strengthened a rival and weakened ourselves.
And your second point about just letting players leave.......hows that worked out? We were 2nd in the league and perrenial champions league semi finalists. Now we adopt an 'If they wanna go fuck em' strategy and we scrape 6th by the fucking skin of our teeth.

You do not DO NOT sell your best players. You definately dont sell them to a rival and you DEFINATELY dont do it with the transfer window closing so you cant replace him.
If we wanted Sturridge and they said no then fine WE SAY NO.
[/quote]

A question?

Do we have to strengthen after a departure or can we do it before it happens?

 

[Judge Jules]

Of course we can. Most of the best teams do just that.

 

[Buddha]

[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=46664.msg1394588#msg1394588 date=1315222796]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46664.msg1392742#msg1392742 date=1314870448]
[/quote]Sorry, i know i said i wouldnt speak on it again.
You are right about Torres. But we sold him and then strengthened.
We have sold Meireles and NOT strengthened.
Adam and Henderson and Downing were already here so we didnt buy them to strengthen our team after Meireles departure.
So we directly strengthened a rival and weakened ourselves.
And your second point about just letting players leave.......hows that worked out? We were 2nd in the league and perrenial champions league semi finalists. Now we adopt an 'If they wanna go fuck em' strategy and we scrape 6th by the fucking skin of our teeth.

You do not DO NOT sell your best players. You definately dont sell them to a rival and you DEFINATELY dont do it with the transfer window closing so you cant replace him.
If we wanted Sturridge and they said no then fine WE SAY NO.
[/quote]

A question?

Do we have to strengthen after a departure or can we do it before it happens?
[/quote]

Exactly. It seems likely that Meireles was always going to be (Kenny's intention) leaving at some point during the window and Henderson was bought quickly with that partly in mind.

I liked Meireles and would rather still have him, but I don't think for one minute that his departure came as a shock to Kenny/Damien etc.

 

[Asbo]

Football 365 was full of 'Liverpool buy ANOTHER Midfielder' after we got Charlie and Downing and Hendo came, wasn't it 3 in and 1 out?

3 in and 2 out if you count Poultry as a first teamer, not going to mention El Zhar ....... oops I did

 

[Spionkop69]

[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=46664.msg1394590#msg1394590 date=1315223002]
Of course we can. Most of the best teams do just that.
[/quote]

I was being a touch faceitious in post JJ. Must have been the appalling quoting that misled you...

 

[WhyAlwaysMe?]

[quote author=Krump link=topic=46664.msg1394583#msg1394583 date=1315222216]

There's the other kind of move - say Torres from one PL club to another - and I don't think that the English players are immune to that. For example, if Carroll was as highly thought of and we were coming low in the league and someone doing better came in for him, he would certainly leave just as Torres did. How do I know? Well he's already done it once, and that was to his boyhood club.
[/quote]

I was under the impression he was forced out by the Toon and initially didn't want to go?

 

[jimmy]

Porto are accusing Chelsea for talking to Alvaro Pereira w/o permission.
Looks like typical Chelsea tapping. Bet they did the same with Meireles.

 

[King Binny]

Sorry if this has been mentioned but it might be worth noting the deal to sign Meireles from Porto was not a straight forward £10.7m, which was the figure that was widely reported by British media back then. According to Portuguese report and the official statement from Porto announcing his sale, it was something like 13m euros + add ons.

1 report:

FC Porto have made the announcement through the Portuguese stock market that they have sold midfielder Raul Meireles to Liverpool for 13 million euros plus bonuses.

Porto sold the Portuguese international for a fee well below the 25 million euros release clause they had inserted into the player's contract, but the deal does include unidentified team-related bonuses, which will bump up the agreed upon cost.

Another report:

It is understood that Meireles had been lined up by Barcelona, should they have failed to land Mascherano and sources at the Camp Nou revealed that Meireles would now be joining Liverpool instead. Liverpool will reinvest the majority of the Mascherano money in Meireles, with a deal that could rise to as much as £17m.

 

[keniget]

If it's team-related bonuses as the article suggests you can more or less guarantee we've not paid anything out.

We failed to win anything and we didn't make it into the Europe at all.

 

[RolandG]

[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=46664.msg1394577#msg1394577 date=1315221605]
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=46664.msg1394560#msg1394560 date=1315219484]
Foreign players are much more likely to leave imo. Even if we're doing well the chances might be reduced but you can easily see a foreign lad still being tempted to move on for various reasons. If Liverpool are winning trophies i highly doubt you'd see many British players wanting out + However good they may be they hardly ever go and try their hands in another league.

I'm not suggesting that Kenny had this at the front of his mind during the summer transfer window, but it's deffo a small added bonus with regards to who we've signed.
[/quote]

I agree, and I think Kenny did.

regards
[/quote]
Squiggles, Richey gives a balanced view and I can accept that it may be a combinationof factors but Kenny's actions seem to support my stance. The proof of the pudding is in theeating.

I stand by my point that Kenny largely bought British players to:
1. Restore our English identity as they'll be less likely to want to engineer moves away from the club because they understand that Liverpool is an institution with a rich history and tradition
2. Got players in with Premiership experience that need little or no time to adapt in order to get back amongst the CL places and challenge for the League
3. Considered the recent spate of foreign players jumping ship

Remember none of the foreign players that left were Kenny's signing so he may well continue to look for top quality but he'll also do his homework on them like he did on Suarez.

 

[Ryan]

[quote author=jimmy link=topic=46664.msg1395046#msg1395046 date=1315317977]
Porto are accusing Chelsea for talking to Alvaro Pereira w/o permission.
Looks like typical Chelsea tapping. Bet they did the same with Meireles.
[/quote]

I really wish people would stop banging on about this tactic like it's soemthing only Chelsea and their devious oligarch cunt owner have brought to football.

Everyone does it. We do it. We were fined a fucking fortune for doing it with Ziege a few years back.

How do you think we got Bellamy? Went straight to Man City and began enquiring? Did. We. Fuck.

 

[ILD]

Yeah every club does it. People (managers) still manage to get up on their high horse about it when it suits them. Martin O' Neill accused us of doing it during the Barry saga yet Villa were well aware of Cuellar's exact buy out clause to take him from Rangers. Convenient.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

[quote author=Ryan link=topic=46664.msg1395301#msg1395301 date=1315372946]
[quote author=jimmy link=topic=46664.msg1395046#msg1395046 date=1315317977]
Porto are accusing Chelsea for talking to Alvaro Pereira w/o permission.
Looks like typical Chelsea tapping. Bet they did the same with Meireles.
[/quote]

I really wish people would stop banging on about this tactic like it's soemthing only Chelsea and their devious oligarch cunt owner have brought to football.

Everyone does it. We do it. We were fined a fucking fortune for doing it with Ziege a few years back.

How do you think we got Bellamy? Went straight to Man City and began enquiring? Did. We. Fuck.
[/quote]

You're missing his point. He, like quite a few in this thread, are assuming that it's a wee bit untrue that much of Meireless's unhappiness was only due to the contract he wasn't (or was, as per FFF sources) offered - that it was due to Chelsea unsettling him ...

 

[jimmy]

[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=46664.msg1395307#msg1395307 date=1315377203]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=46664.msg1395301#msg1395301 date=1315372946]
[quote author=jimmy link=topic=46664.msg1395046#msg1395046 date=1315317977]
Porto are accusing Chelsea for talking to Alvaro Pereira w/o permission.
Looks like typical Chelsea tapping. Bet they did the same with Meireles.
[/quote]

I really wish people would stop banging on about this tactic like it's soemthing only Chelsea and their devious oligarch cunt owner have brought to football.

Everyone does it. We do it. We were fined a fucking fortune for doing it with Ziege a few years back.

How do you think we got Bellamy? Went straight to Man City and began enquiring? Did. We. Fuck.
[/quote]

You're missing his point. He, like quite a few in this thread, are assuming that it's a wee bit untrue that much of Meireless's unhappiness was only due to the contract he wasn't (or was, as per FFF sources) offered - that it was due to Chelsea unsettling him ...
[/quote]

Exactly.
Thanks god someone here can read Hebrew and understand my point... 😉

 

[mark1975]

Fuck Meireles. Onwards and upwards.

 

[Glock21]

Has the cunt came out with any statement yet?? Fucking pussy.

 

[Richey]

[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=46664.msg1395307#msg1395307 date=1315377203]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=46664.msg1395301#msg1395301 date=1315372946]
[quote author=jimmy link=topic=46664.msg1395046#msg1395046 date=1315317977]
Porto are accusing Chelsea for talking to Alvaro Pereira w/o permission.
Looks like typical Chelsea tapping. Bet they did the same with Meireles.
[/quote]

I really wish people would stop banging on about this tactic like it's soemthing only Chelsea and their devious oligarch cunt owner have brought to football.

Everyone does it. We do it. We were fined a fucking fortune for doing it with Ziege a few years back.

How do you think we got Bellamy? Went straight to Man City and began enquiring? Did. We. Fuck.
[/quote]

You're missing his point. He, like quite a few in this thread, are assuming that it's a wee bit untrue that much of Meireless's unhappiness was only due to the contract he wasn't (or was, as per FFF sources) offered - that it was due to Chelsea unsettling him ...
[/quote]

But if that was the case then Chelsea could have unsettled him anyway (not sure you can 'unsettle' a player who is not open to being unsettled in any case but there we are, that's another debate). Whether they approached him directly or went through the correct channels or whatever doesn't really matter a great deal to be honest.

Even if they did not tap him up but actually did everything correctly surely that would still have the same affect?

I'm not sure he was really in Kenny's plans anyway. We didn't seem that keen to keep him to be honest. Maybe if Chelsea had not wanted him he would have hung around, maybe not. But they did and he has gone. However they indicated their interest and went about things is largely irrelevant really.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

[quote author=Richey link=topic=46664.msg1395322#msg1395322 date=1315380969]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=46664.msg1395307#msg1395307 date=1315377203]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=46664.msg1395301#msg1395301 date=1315372946]
[quote author=jimmy link=topic=46664.msg1395046#msg1395046 date=1315317977]
Porto are accusing Chelsea for talking to Alvaro Pereira w/o permission.
Looks like typical Chelsea tapping. Bet they did the same with Meireles.
[/quote]

I really wish people would stop banging on about this tactic like it's soemthing only Chelsea and their devious oligarch cunt owner have brought to football.

Everyone does it. We do it. We were fined a fucking fortune for doing it with Ziege a few years back.

How do you think we got Bellamy? Went straight to Man City and began enquiring? Did. We. Fuck.
[/quote]

You're missing his point. He, like quite a few in this thread, are assuming that it's a wee bit untrue that much of Meireless's unhappiness was only due to the contract he wasn't (or was, as per FFF sources) offered - that it was due to Chelsea unsettling him ...
[/quote]

But if that was the case then Chelsea could have unsettled him anyway (not sure you can 'unsettle' a player who is not open to being unsettled in any case but there we are, that's another debate). Whether they approached him directly or went through the correct channels or whatever doesn't really matter a great deal to be honest.

Even if they did not tap him up but actually did everything correctly surely that would still have the same affect?

I'm not sure he was really in Kenny's plans anyway. We didn't seem that keen to keep him to be honest. Maybe if Chelsea had not wanted him he would have hung around, maybe not. But they did and he has gone. However they indicated their interest and went about things is largely irrelevant really.
[/quote]

Had they not indicated interest, I doubt he'd have gone as the only other interested team seems to have been Spurs.

A CL paricipating team was interested in him, one that had a Portuguese manager who rates him + Portuguese teammates + a good mate from Liverpool. I'm sure that ensured he'd push the buttons needed to move.

To be honest, I don't really care that much anymore. He's gone, good luck to him on a personal level and I hope his team crash n' burn.

 

[Richey]

[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=46664.msg1395333#msg1395333 date=1315382964]

Had they not indicated interest, I doubt he'd have gone as the only other interested team seems to have been Spurs.

A CL paricipating team was interested in him, one that had a Portuguese manager who rates him + Portuguese teammates + a good mate from Liverpool. I'm sure that ensured he'd push the buttons needed to move.

To be honest, I don't really care that much anymore. He's gone, good luck to him on a personal level and I hope his team crash n' burn.
[/quote]

They might have been happily bidding away all summer for all we know. Or maybe they didn't. But the fact is that they could have done, or could have put the story in the press or whatever. It still amounts to the same in the end.

He must have been open to a move and Chelsea would have been able to get their interest known to him anyway, through correct channels or otherwise. It doesn't much matter.

I agree with your last sentence though.

 

[HC]

Carra seemed genuinely surprised at his transfer request.

Although I can't imagine the two being peas In a pod, I think it was as simple as
Him not getting the game time he needed/deserved - Modric fell through and im sure it all it took was a phone all from avb and his Portuguese contingent and the promise of game time in a team that finished second.

I very much doubt it took much 'tapping up' bench warming a top 6 team at 28 or playing or even bench warming at a 'top 2' side containing Portuguese staff and players.

We didn't make it a tough choice for him

 

[Jack D Rips]

[quote author=The_Rule link=topic=46664.msg1395320#msg1395320 date=1315380563]
Has the cunt came out with any statement yet?? Fucking pussy.
[/quote]

Yeah he said he'd come back when Glock fucked off.