Harvey
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Lol I saw that one hahaha and I had the same reaction
And Trent. Except from RB
It still amazes me when fans pile on a player who isn’t playing regularly and isn’t in any sort of form or rhythm because he’s not showing world class skillz every time he sets foot on the pitch.
Is the biggest change is society of late, the absolute death of patience of any sort - I can’t remember it being this bad - a couple of poor performances and all of a sudden a player’s shit and needs selling.
That’s not to say Harvey hasn’t got work to do or needs to be better.
What next - Nyoni’s shit and will never make it, so we should sell now?
Is the biggest change is society of late, the absolute death of patience of any sort - I can’t remember it being this bad - a couple of poor performances and all of a sudden a player’s shit and needs selling.
That’s not to say Harvey hasn’t got work to do or needs to be better.
What next - Nyoni’s shit and will never make it, so we should sell now?
And if my Auntie had balls she'd be my Uncle.
He didn't fucking score though did he? That's the point. He stupidly gave away the penalty that cost us the game. Not good enough.
Nyoni needs to bulk up to have any chance.
Problem is I felt the same thing when he *was* playing frequently for Jurgen ... It's not a "oh he had a bad day, let's pile on him" thread.
Good job he’s only 17 then.
He was one of many who dropped a 2/10 performance yesterday, however he should really have been the senior pro in that midfield three, and he looked even more off it than McConnell & Nyoni.
I think he's going to suffer by not having a clear position he is a fit for, and Szobo & Jones excelling in that AM role ahead of him.
He supports the club, and bloody loves it. I expect he'd want to stay around and fight for a spot - but I hope he is getting coaching from Slot about where he can fit in.
At the end of last season it looked to me like he was proving his quality for the PL, but he just hasn't had the chance to show the same here, and possibly rightly so when you look at what the others in the team are doing.
I think he's going to suffer by not having a clear position he is a fit for, and Szobo & Jones excelling in that AM role ahead of him.
He supports the club, and bloody loves it. I expect he'd want to stay around and fight for a spot - but I hope he is getting coaching from Slot about where he can fit in.
At the end of last season it looked to me like he was proving his quality for the PL, but he just hasn't had the chance to show the same here, and possibly rightly so when you look at what the others in the team are doing.
Get him on the steaks
But he just turns 22 in a few months.
For context / at the same age. Gravy was being criticised by Liverpool fans as a useless signing we should get rid of, Slobbers was playing for RB Salzburg, Macca was on loan to junior teams in Argentina having yet to even come to England, let alone play for Brighton.
Why are some people desperate for our younger players to not succeed?
And Guinness!!!
Making me hungry and thirsty.
Not that I need to bulk up any more.
17 is close enough
I think Jones is having a similar problem actually, there's no position in the midfield three that's a good fit for him or Harvey. Neither can control things from deep and neither can really be an effective number 10. Elliott's not a bad player, and I wouldn't be rushing him out of the door, but I also think he probably needs some heavy coaching to fit into either Macca or Szobo's roles.
Not sure why everyone has the pitch forks out?
With such a weak team it was always a risk we would struggle, but it was the right thing to allow key players to rest.
Harvey has had some very good games under Slot, and i have not been Harvey's biggest fan.
Disappointed but at the same time relieved we are out, competing on all four fronts is risky, and it's right to focus on the league and CL.
With such a weak team it was always a risk we would struggle, but it was the right thing to allow key players to rest.
Harvey has had some very good games under Slot, and i have not been Harvey's biggest fan.
Disappointed but at the same time relieved we are out, competing on all four fronts is risky, and it's right to focus on the league and CL.
I think Jones is perfect for the AM role that he is rotating in with Szobo. They both play it differently, and I think that works well for us. Szobo for me is best when we are pressing and there is space. Jones for me is best when there is a low block and we need to unpick a defence.
Jones isn't a good fit in the double pivot, and is showing his worth when he plays in the AM role. Hopefully he & Dom will continue to be ok rotating here, which is what we need across a season.
All 3 have physical attributes that allow them to compete at the highest levels.
I've not criticized harvey's work rate or technical skills - I think they're good to very good.
However, I think in a Liverpool middle/front 3, his lack of physical abilities doesn't allow him to maximize his talent.
Unless we adjust for him (unlikely?), he should move on if being a squaddie is not what he wants from his career here.
I saw the same about McConnell too. Has one great game and one shit one, he's a kid, so lets go with the latter and write him off already. People are fickle gobshites.
If it was a singular match i'd agree with you; but it's not. Even looking back to last year, his best performances came as sub. Every time he's given a start he's just not taking his chances and given (at the very best) average performances. . He reminds me of trossard in that way.
So after watching him for 3+ years playing for Jurgen and now Slot, saying what I said is 'fickle'.
Got it.
I'm saying the overall reaction to yesterday is a bit fickle, it was a bad day. One among many great ones, show some perspective. I didn't mention Elliott, I replied to Stevie's post about the idiocy of the modern fan. Get off your fucking high horse.
I think we've seen enough from Harvey to know what he can do well, and what he can't.
I didn't post anything about Chiesa (still haven't seen enough here to make an informed position), McConnell, Nyoni etc ...
I do think your commentary on Diaz (who we've seen for ages) was harsh - but I get it, and also think he isn't at the level we need (but it's tough as I'm sure we all want that LW to be like Sadio). Is Gakpo though? Dunno - like the player.
But yes, fans today want immediate gratification. FootyOnlyFans!
He's never going to prove himself as good enough to be in the team every week, because Slot clearly doesn't fancy him and when he has played this season, his impact has been minimal, whereas last season he was making a difference.
I think Slot has stuck with a reliable core of players because he wanted continuity and to give himself the best chance of results, there's nothing wrong with that. The downside is that when he does things like yesterday, the players are so lacking in match fitness and familiarity, that you get results like that one and PSV.
You can't really gauge the quality of players in that set up either, I don't think he's been particularly "great" at the way he's handled younger players. I don't necessarily agree with the things he's said about Quansah, Bradley, Nallo, Kelleher, etc. People will say we need that ruthlessness, but it's a stark contrast to what Klopp did and how he was with young players in the public eye. What Klopp did worked too, there doesn't have to be this sudden shift as though everything we did before was wrong. What Slot has said about younger players hasn't exactly had a positive effect on all of them, it doesn't work with everyone and that doesn't make that player a bad player, it's just about realising some players need a different approach and it takes a good coach to recognise that, instead of being egotistical and having a "like it, or lump it" type of attitidude.
I didn't see the game yesterday (thankfully) so can't talk about specifics, but we have seen Elliott improve over the years. He works hard, clearly has the ability, and does okay in goals and assists.
No question that he has had a bad season, but I am sure he will have good seasons again.
Whether that is for Liverpool, I don't know, but his problem appears to be that Slot doesn't have an obvious place for him in a team that is doing well without him. It's not beyond the realms of possibility though that this could change very quickly, but it's not likely to change mid-season.
I don't actually think that Elliott would be happy as a squad player. I think he has more ambition than that, so he might well move on, but equally I would be very happy to see him stay and see if Slot can find the best position for him next season.
No question that he has had a bad season, but I am sure he will have good seasons again.
Whether that is for Liverpool, I don't know, but his problem appears to be that Slot doesn't have an obvious place for him in a team that is doing well without him. It's not beyond the realms of possibility though that this could change very quickly, but it's not likely to change mid-season.
I don't actually think that Elliott would be happy as a squad player. I think he has more ambition than that, so he might well move on, but equally I would be very happy to see him stay and see if Slot can find the best position for him next season.
Klopp was great with the "kids" but some harsh truths are needed too.
Harvey had an uphill battle from the start.
His height, his lack of pace...
I rooted for him, just like I did for many othe youth players like Suso for instance.
Actually Suso is the perfect example, good player, but not good enough for LFC.
Same goes for Wilson and Neco.
We can't coddle them forever.
I always thought Neco would do well, he's a good player, same with Suso. But yeah, there's a certain athleticism and physique that's needed in the premiership. I think you can get away with being small, but you have to a magician. Time will tell with Elliott, it's a tough call, I do think he's trying too hard, but at the same time he's at an age where he should be pushing on and I don't think he's really progressed at all this season, but his injury curtailed a lot of the potential that he had to do well. We'll see. My point still stands though, we've got a good squad that's enough to get us to the Summer, none of the players who performed badly yesterday are really in positions where we have concerns. Quansah and Endo did well, thankfully, and they are the two who we are likely to need more in the coming months.
There will be big changes in the Summer though I reckon.
There will be big changes in the Summer though I reckon.
