He was abysmal in the first half. I thought he was decent in the second though.
Liverpool Vs Man Utd Match Thread..
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He was abysmal in the first half. I thought he was decent in the second though.
When we were doing it, though, we had the likes of Biscan and Le Tallec, Josemi and Traore lining up against Del Piero, Nedved, Ibrahimovic, etc.
There's nothing wrong with the tactic, which is why I will never complain when a team of lesser quality does it to us. It's within the rules and it's smart.
But when Manchester fucking United come and play like that, with a starting line up worth about 250 million in transfer fees, then it's a fucking piss take. There's absolutely no excuse for them doing that.
There's nothing wrong with the tactic, which is why I will never complain when a team of lesser quality does it to us. It's within the rules and it's smart.
But when Manchester fucking United come and play like that, with a starting line up worth about 250 million in transfer fees, then it's a fucking piss take. There's absolutely no excuse for them doing that.
Well, yeah on the face of it you can do it. But you've spent god knows how much money on the first team, you'd expect more than that from such quality players. I'm not saying you can't be tight at the back, but you can show some attacking impetus. Many teams have been successful without adopting such tactics. They had the world's most expensive player and used him as if he was Jan Koller. They should have more quality than almost anyone in the league for the amount that they've spent, but they played so negatively. I doubt West Brom will be that negative on Saturday.
Heh. It was the combination of my remembering defenders in blue as I pictured it in my mind & that cunt Mourinho being in charge!
I am pretty sure I'm going senile very early though, I put the milk in the cupboard & the teabags in the fridge earlier!
Plus they lost their home game against City, drew at home against Stoke, and lost against Watford in recent weeks. They could have done with making a go of it. If he gets a point at Chelsea will that be a tactical masterclass? If he loses, is the draw at Anfield still a good result?
Its just the way he is. He's won countless leagues doing it. It works so he's not going to change. I've got absolutely no problem with it.
As I said earlier, we should be looking at ourselves and finding ways to get around problems like this. It may be buying a fucking giant and flinging balls in the box, whatever. We should have some sort of Plan B.
For all of his failings, Benteke would have been a useful option to have on Monday.
As I said earlier, we should be looking at ourselves and finding ways to get around problems like this. It may be buying a fucking giant and flinging balls in the box, whatever. We should have some sort of Plan B.
For all of his failings, Benteke would have been a useful option to have on Monday.
It doesn't matter.
Neither does it matter how much they spent or what the board & fans 'demand'.
They appointed Mourinho. They knew exactly what they were going to get in doing so. He's not going to change his tactics or his system, as it's won him many titles doing so.
They are in 7th after a much easier set of fixtures than us.
I don't have a problem with the tactic, as I said, it's a proven tactic.
But it's usually one employed by teams that have a huge deficit of quality to make up. That's why you see the smaller teams doing it to the bigger teams.
But Man Utd isn't smaller than Liverpool. They're more expensively assembled and supposedly have a tactical genius in charge. Genius would be - in fact not even genius - the bare minimum requirement of a good manager that has hundreds of millions to spend would be to go out and win games, or at least try to. Like Klopp did at Arsenal and Chelsea. And nearly did at Spurs.
My issue is the fawning over Mourinho. What would have been impressive would have been him coming to Anfield and playing us off the park. In fact, not even that impressive, it should be expected when you've got the quality they have.
But it's usually one employed by teams that have a huge deficit of quality to make up. That's why you see the smaller teams doing it to the bigger teams.
But Man Utd isn't smaller than Liverpool. They're more expensively assembled and supposedly have a tactical genius in charge. Genius would be - in fact not even genius - the bare minimum requirement of a good manager that has hundreds of millions to spend would be to go out and win games, or at least try to. Like Klopp did at Arsenal and Chelsea. And nearly did at Spurs.
My issue is the fawning over Mourinho. What would have been impressive would have been him coming to Anfield and playing us off the park. In fact, not even that impressive, it should be expected when you've got the quality they have.
It won't be good for them to bore their fans. They'll lose money, some kid in London or Beijing is going to watch them play for 5 minutes, then think fuck this I'd rather be playing Pokémon. That can't be what they expected to happen when they bought such expensive players, regardless of Mourinho.
Is a point at Anfield a good result for them? (Anyone in fact?)
Im not saying he is a genius, or that it was a Masterclass.
I'm just pointing out that its a great result for them and I have no problem with them playing that way they did. If you can avoid defeat away, and win your home games, then you wont be far off. Thats all I'm saying.
Van Gaal got much better results against us, several times, with more positive tactics, and he got little but flak for it. Whatever Mourinho does isn't seen for what it is, it's filtered through a prejudiced perspective that is informed by a conviction that he's a genius. What the media gets is largely a consequence of confirmation bias.
No. "Mourinho Masterclass" is a phrase I've heard more than a few times. That's what I take exception to.
Whilst I agree with the last part, in response the first sentence, I would also say that we are a much better team now than we were last season. Or the season before.
A point is a great result for them, however they managed to get it.
This. Exactly this. They have serious quality in their squad. That tactic is fucking cowardly to say the least.
And I thought it was deliberate
And they have a better team, or at least do on paper. They've invested an obscene amount on improvements over the summer, and they've supposedly had an upgrade on their manager. They're not Burnley for god's sake. They approached the game like a team near the bottom of the league. It was pathetic.
By all accounts their U23's played a similar game last night.
I don't see how his weaknesses fit in with a Klopp side. He's not exactly mobile and he takes far too many touches.
"Everyone sees we've worked hard together - not just met once in a car park & said, 'come on, today's a game'!"
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Heh, I'd prefer Jurgen to leave the sniping snide comments to that wanker down the East Lancs, though. Let's just keep going and pay them no further mind.
Heh, I'd prefer Jurgen to leave the sniping snide comments to that wanker down the East Lancs, though. Let's just keep going and pay them no further mind.
Agreed. It's what Rafa always used to do to Mourinho and it clearly annoyed the living **** out of him.
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