And he had a bit of a poor touch so the ball was to far away from him. A better touch and he gets his body in the way and can finish it.
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And he had a bit of a poor touch so the ball was to far away from him. A better touch and he gets his body in the way and can finish it.
Exactly. Had he taken the ball to his left Esther than to his right, there was no way for Valencia to get the ball.
Will you stop Rantzen on about it
Ha obviously not and I hope they are happy to keep him if they continue as they are but I doubt it unless he climbs the table.
The only way fans will stomach that kind of football is if they are winning trophies or support Everton.
Yep but he's also pragmatic. I think he knows coming to Anfield and attacking us would have left them very exposed.
Look what we did to Arsenal and Chelsea and to a degree Spurs.
He's been in charge for 5 mins it will take him time to get them playing attacking flowing football if he plans to do it all.
Can was extremely poor first half, very slow to move the ball, every attack seemed to go into slow motion when he got on the ball.
Granted his rusty but contract that with how quickly Lallana moved the ball forward with intent when he got it.
I dunno, Utd's back four sat deep and there was f*ck all space to move into. Anytime he moved he had someone up his hole and often the balls to him were misplaced or to powerful.
I think any striker would have struggled in this game the way Utd set up.
I did like to see his reaction to coming off and high fiving the bench.
Froggy - you should celebrate too for the following reasons:-
1) We were utter shit for the first 20 minutes - the intensity was completely missing - sort of performance you put in before having coffee in the morning - and if they had any guts in them they would have pushed a little harder but they didn't.
2) Jose's plans was not just to lose, he came there in the belief we would lose our patience and and get reckless like we did against Rodgers - like fuck we did; he held our never and go our first clean sheet of the season.
3) That team we faced is like £350M+ worth and all I can remember is them getting into our penalty area once with that Ibrahim miss.
Given point (1) and also that our main two midfielders were not playing (yes Adam had a good 40-35 minutes), we were not going to be that dynamic plus the jetlag for most of our long distance travelers. So yeah - good result, and quite frankly I don't give a shit about their team and how they celebrate.
In the current environment yes I do but I can understand why you might not.
He's been there 5 mins so if I was a fan I would see it as a good point away to our biggest rivals which is never a bad result. Win the home game and draw the away game is never a poor showing.
Well considering we were well off our best and not used to the formation, surely that should've been incentive enough for Mourinho to change his tactics and go for it. In fact he did the complete opposite. Having defended high up the pitch earlier on, they actually dropped further back as the game progressed.
I think we were off our best because of how they set up. If they came out attacking us with more intent than they did we'd have slaughtered them.
As for them dropping back that's natural. We've seen ourselves drop off in the 2nd half of games, pressing for 90 mins is almost impossible especially if you have as little of the ball as they did.
When they were pressing, they had a LOT of the ball. I don't know what game you were watching.
And I actually think the main reason we were off our best was because without Lallana and Wijnaldum we couldn't go with the 4-3-3 which we have used very successfully to break teams down this season.
And I actually think the main reason we were off our best was because without Lallana and Wijnaldum we couldn't go with the 4-3-3 which we have used very successfully to break teams down this season.
??? They had what 35% possession? How is that a lot.
Even in the first 20 mins they hardly had more than 50%
Lallana was a loss no doubt, Wijnaldum is debatable, but make no mistake it was the least space our attacking players had all season.
Even Mane looked ineffective going forward. It was down to Mourinho drilling his team to perfection to stop our style of play and movement.
We never had time on the ball or space to do anything with it.
I can say for you so I guess we'll agree to disagree.
Hopefully next time we can debate the 4-0 hammering we give WBA
Playing with six defenders inside your own box with three midfielders sat just in front of them is hardly drilling your team to perfection, its basic organisation, its just playing not to lose. We've seen this many many times from teams at the lower end of the table, and many times we've beaten it, we didn't on Monday because we didn't play good enough, it had nothing to do with a masterclass from Mourinho, it was our failings combined with a solid tactic befitting a club dearth of ambition or confidence, something id never have associated to United. Tell me, Pulis will try and do the exact same thing next week, if he succeeds, will you claim it's a masterclass too? I can't wait until Mourinho is found out for the utter fraud he is, and this tactic genius bullshit finally washes, I just hope he drags United down a few levels first.
Lallana yes, but for me Can keeps his place. He will play himself back into form and he's a top player when in form. Plus his size will help against Brummies on set pieces.
Not that I'll be unhappy with Wijnaldum starting, of course. I like him too and it's true we missed his efficient passing on Monday.
I'm pissed off because we shit our pants again, like we so often do and let Utd off the hook. If we had played to the level we can, we would have won convincingly because we have the attacking strength to put timid sides to the sword and they were there for the taking.
Instead we started the game with so much anxiety and there were basic errors all over the pitch so we just couldn't find any tempo. There are excuses such as Can taking half an hour to find any rhythm in his first start of the season and the loss of Wijnaldum and Lallana in our midfield but the lack of belief and leadership in the side was depressingly familiar.
I keep waiting for Sturridge to spark, keep imagining that all he needs is a goal to kickstart his season but fucking hell, he was useless in this game and the contrast with Firmino was stark.
I don't want to over-react to what was hardly a bad result, but it dampens the optimism to see us struggle in a game that could really have made a difference - if we had won the game we would be equal top and putting distance between us and the pack while all the pressure would have been on Utd and Mourinho. But we blew the opportunity and far too many of this team still look uncomfortable when put under the spotlight with to me, only Firmino & Coutinho (plus Lallana when he came on) playing with real desire to drive us forward. At least our defence stood up on this occasion.
It's a long season, we have a decent start and hopefully can push on but I have doubts about the mental strength of this side - or at least certain individuals.
Instead we started the game with so much anxiety and there were basic errors all over the pitch so we just couldn't find any tempo. There are excuses such as Can taking half an hour to find any rhythm in his first start of the season and the loss of Wijnaldum and Lallana in our midfield but the lack of belief and leadership in the side was depressingly familiar.
I keep waiting for Sturridge to spark, keep imagining that all he needs is a goal to kickstart his season but fucking hell, he was useless in this game and the contrast with Firmino was stark.
I don't want to over-react to what was hardly a bad result, but it dampens the optimism to see us struggle in a game that could really have made a difference - if we had won the game we would be equal top and putting distance between us and the pack while all the pressure would have been on Utd and Mourinho. But we blew the opportunity and far too many of this team still look uncomfortable when put under the spotlight with to me, only Firmino & Coutinho (plus Lallana when he came on) playing with real desire to drive us forward. At least our defence stood up on this occasion.
It's a long season, we have a decent start and hopefully can push on but I have doubts about the mental strength of this side - or at least certain individuals.
You wanna bet on that Neal?
Not a chance!
Exactly. We did exactly this at Juve in 2005.
We should be looking at ourselves here and analysing why we couldn't find a way through. Mourinho has every right to do what he did. Its a great result for them. If you go away to all of your top 6 rivals and get a point at each one, and back it up with your home form, then you wont be far off the top come the end of the season.
Its a fucking simple management tactic that.
And against his fucking Chelsea the same year.
You're absolutely right, it's on us.
I'm not sure about this. Can is a tank and Klopp seems to like armoured vehicles. I just don't think 'close control and mobility' with him which I think is what Klopp wants in 2/3 midfielders. I'd say Can is hendersons backup.
As infuriating as it was on Monday, I defy anyone not to be impressed with how Chelsea defended.
I actually commented on a specific instance about how perfectly they defended as a unit in the match thread. We attacked down the left at pace, looked like we had the beating of them, then they were there, a blue line that we just couldn't penetrate. Four of our players ran at them with & without the ball, but we couldn't get through, the ball ended up with Henderson near the halfway line & he had no outlet so passed it back to the keeper (which is partly down to a deficiency of Henderson's game that I've discussed before).
Within a minute Chelsea forced us from attacking at the very edge of their area, to our keeper with the ball at his feet. All without touching the ball.
That's on us, sure, but it's also the type of defending that used to give me boners when we did it under Rafa in Europe against some top teams.
Saying we didn't do enough is only half the story, & is one reason I'm really not angry about a draw. If they can replicate that consistently they're gonna be guaranteed top four & possibly challenging. Unfortunately.
I actually commented on a specific instance about how perfectly they defended as a unit in the match thread. We attacked down the left at pace, looked like we had the beating of them, then they were there, a blue line that we just couldn't penetrate. Four of our players ran at them with & without the ball, but we couldn't get through, the ball ended up with Henderson near the halfway line & he had no outlet so passed it back to the keeper (which is partly down to a deficiency of Henderson's game that I've discussed before).
Within a minute Chelsea forced us from attacking at the very edge of their area, to our keeper with the ball at his feet. All without touching the ball.
That's on us, sure, but it's also the type of defending that used to give me boners when we did it under Rafa in Europe against some top teams.
Saying we didn't do enough is only half the story, & is one reason I'm really not angry about a draw. If they can replicate that consistently they're gonna be guaranteed top four & possibly challenging. Unfortunately.
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